17er Saints and Martyrs

[dyachei]

did I forget anyone?

V
murska
rask
Hally

light v
ben
jan
wisdom
ladd maybe

null
gh - depends on what happens with logic
ender
gemma
vanta

wolfy
arctic
logic
visor

[Jan]

did I forget anyone?

V
murska
rask
Hally

light v
ben
jan
wisdom
ladd maybe

null
gh - depends on what happens with logic
ender
gemma
vanta

wolfy
arctic
logic
visor

Can you give me 2 words on hally and ben.

I have them both as villager reads, but I would love to reconfirm that. :X

[dyachei]

Can you give me 2 words on hally and ben.

I have them both as villager reads, but I would love to reconfirm that. :X

I think ben's entrance into the game today is really villagery. I was more on the fence about him yesterday. Although I've been a bit frustrated at times this game with Hally (mostly because I think my communication sucks), I think her solving today is mindmeldy to mine. I think the way she's looking at the game makes sense and she's re-evaluating based on flips - even if I sometimes disagree with the outcome. Like I think arctic's vote looks like the rest of his game did - agenda'd

[Arctic]

I think ben's entrance into the game today is really villagery. I was more on the fence about him yesterday. Although I've been a bit frustrated at times this game with Hally (mostly because I think my communication sucks), I think her solving today is mindmeldy to mine. I think the way she's looking at the game makes sense and she's re-evaluating based on flips - even if I sometimes disagree with the outcome. Like I think arctic's vote looks like the rest of his game did - agenda'd

yea my vote on the wolf was extremely agenda'd

:moyai:

[nebjiamn]

did I forget anyone?

V
murska
rask
Hally

light v
ben
jan
wisdom
ladd maybe

null
gh - depends on what happens with logic
ender
gemma
vanta

wolfy
arctic
logic
visor

close to where i'm at

i have ladd higher and arctic not so low and you are slotted where you put me but aside from that pretty much how i feel about the game rn

[dyachei]

close to where i'm at

i have ladd higher and arctic not so low and you are slotted where you put me but aside from that pretty much how i feel about the game rn

ladd was really not villagery to me yesterday and I can't in good conscience put him higher.

[Hally]

i don’t really want to keep talking about logic because i feel like this horse got beaten to death last day and resulted in some unfun vibes but i can’t really get over how he posted at zack last day esp with zack dead now

it just seems like he is a wolf who wanted to buy time limply wolf reading his main pusher until he can NK them lol. like, he had zack as wolf for wolf reading him when zack was, imo, clearly the most obvious villager in the game? and i don’t really think it was close at all. and like i get that villagers omgus, but how he went about it just seems wolfy. zero attempt to make any read on zack outside of the push on him, zero consideration for why w!zack would go balls to the wall trying to get him D1’d and make himself look bad being incredibly wrong about someone he’s expected to read well, zero attempt to engage with zack about anything, zero attempt to engage with others about zack, etc

like, think of it this way - if he is a villager and thinks zack is wolf, from his pov we are living in a world where everyone is hard clearing the blatant power wolf trying to run the thread and ram home an easy mislunch, but logic has none of the urgency i would expect from a villager who actually believes this to be the case. like straight up, when i read his posts about zack, i just don’t believe he actually thinks zack is a wolf lol. he just keeps limply repeating the same line “zack is wrong so he’s sus” but his read never develops at all beyond that boilerplate reasoning, it just feels like something he’s saying out of obligation almost because he thinks it would be weird not to. there’s no actual conviction or feeling behind it, which you can tell because instead of actually pushing zack and trying to convince everyone the guy we are all clearing is owning us, logic goes with a weaksauce vote on vanta (the lowest poster in the game) citing what seem like nothingburger posts but are apparently wolfy enough to him to push more than his zack read ???

outside that stuff, the rest of his posts are also just… not good imo? i dunno, i don’t really see real consideration and thought about people’s alignments in his posts. like, i don’t want to be rude but i feel like logic can do better and i just… don’t really get what he was doing last day if he’s a villager lol

[Logic]

i don’t really want to keep talking about logic because i feel like this horse got beaten to death last day and resulted in some unfun vibes but i can’t really get over how he posted at zack last day esp with zack dead now

it just seems like he is a wolf who wanted to buy time limply wolf reading his main pusher until he can NK them lol. like, he had zack as wolf for wolf reading him when zack was, imo, clearly the most obvious villager in the game? and i don’t really think it was close at all. and like i get that villagers omgus, but how he went about it just seems wolfy. zero attempt to make any read on zack outside of the push on him, zero consideration for why w!zack would go balls to the wall trying to get him D1’d and make himself look bad being incredibly wrong about someone he’s expected to read well, zero attempt to engage with zack about anything, zero attempt to engage with others about zack, etc

like, think of it this way - if he is a villager and thinks zack is wolf, from his pov we are living in a world where everyone is hard clearing the blatant power wolf trying to run the thread and ram home an easy mislunch, but logic has none of the urgency i would expect from a villager who actually believes this to be the case. like straight up, when i read his posts about zack, i just don’t believe he actually thinks zack is a wolf lol. he just keeps limply repeating the same line “zack is wrong so he’s sus” but his read never develops at all beyond that boilerplate reasoning, it just feels like something he’s saying out of obligation almost because he thinks it would be weird not to. there’s no actual conviction or feeling behind it, which you can tell because instead of actually pushing zack and trying to convince everyone the guy we are all clearing is owning us, logic goes with a weaksauce vote on vanta (the lowest poster in the game) citing what seem like nothingburger posts but are apparently wolfy enough to him to push more than his zack read ???

outside that stuff, the rest of his posts are also just… not good imo? i dunno, i don’t really see real consideration and thought about people’s alignments in his posts. like, i don’t want to be rude but i feel like logic can do better and i just… don’t really get what he was doing last day if he’s a villager lol

If you don't want to keep talking about me, you could always vote me and forget about me.

For the record, I don't think this dissertation on me is wolfy of you. But I do think you could vote me and talk about anyone else, if that is where your heart really is.

[nebjiamn]

i don’t really want to keep talking about logic because i feel like this horse got beaten to death last day and resulted in some unfun vibes but i can’t really get over how he posted at zack last day esp with zack dead now

it just seems like he is a wolf who wanted to buy time limply wolf reading his main pusher until he can NK them lol. like, he had zack as wolf for wolf reading him when zack was, imo, clearly the most obvious villager in the game? and i don’t really think it was close at all. and like i get that villagers omgus, but how he went about it just seems wolfy. zero attempt to make any read on zack outside of the push on him, zero consideration for why w!zack would go balls to the wall trying to get him D1’d and make himself look bad being incredibly wrong about someone he’s expected to read well, zero attempt to engage with zack about anything, zero attempt to engage with others about zack, etc

like, think of it this way - if he is a villager and thinks zack is wolf, from his pov we are living in a world where everyone is hard clearing the blatant power wolf trying to run the thread and ram home an easy mislunch, but logic has none of the urgency i would expect from a villager who actually believes this to be the case. like straight up, when i read his posts about zack, i just don’t believe he actually thinks zack is a wolf lol. he just keeps limply repeating the same line “zack is wrong so he’s sus” but his read never develops at all beyond that boilerplate reasoning, it just feels like something he’s saying out of obligation almost because he thinks it would be weird not to. there’s no actual conviction or feeling behind it, which you can tell because instead of actually pushing zack and trying to convince everyone the guy we are all clearing is owning us, logic goes with a weaksauce vote on vanta (the lowest poster in the game) citing what seem like nothingburger posts but are apparently wolfy enough to him to push more than his zack read ???

outside that stuff, the rest of his posts are also just… not good imo? i dunno, i don’t really see real consideration and thought about people’s alignments in his posts. like, i don’t want to be rude but i feel like logic can do better and i just… don’t really get what he was doing last day if he’s a villager lol

i agree

my struggle is i think logic and visor are unlikely (not impossible) to be paired and i think visor is a pretty good shot to be a wolf here

[Hally]

vote: EnderWiggin

hello i continue to dislike ender, can we go back to killing him. it would be really fun and i think you would like it

but no really

most of his ISO revolves around waffling on arctic and an unexplained vote on jan as his bookends (with a promise that there's a secret reason), before hard turning into a vote on me and saying he sussed me all along

i agree

my struggle is i think logic and visor are unlikely (not impossible) to be paired and i think visor is a pretty good shot to be a wolf here

i don’t really get why them being w/w is unlikely?

visor barely pushed logic last day then close to EoD when logic was the counter to syn visor tried to make murska a thing instead of just trying to kill logic. doesn’t that kinda spew logic as wolf?

also logic is still basically ignoring visor despite visor not being villagery at all when he basically treated visor like an outed wolf for misreading him in the town game zack quoted

like, am i missing something or should v!logic not basically always think visor is a wolf here? idgi lol

[nebjiamn]

i don’t really get why them being w/w is unlikely?

visor barely pushed logic last day then close to EoD when logic was the counter to syn visor tried to make murska a thing instead of just trying to kill logic. doesn’t that kinda spew logic as wolf?

also logic is still basically ignoring visor despite visor not being villagery at all when he basically treated visor like an outed wolf for misreading him in the town game zack quoted

like, am i missing something or should v!logic not basically always think visor is a wolf here? idgi lol

good point

[nebjiamn]

i don’t really get why them being w/w is unlikely?

visor barely pushed logic last day then close to EoD when logic was the counter to syn visor tried to make murska a thing instead of just trying to kill logic. doesn’t that kinda spew logic as wolf?

also logic is still basically ignoring visor despite visor not being villagery at all when he basically treated visor like an outed wolf for misreading him in the town game zack quoted

like, am i missing something or should v!logic not basically always think visor is a wolf here? idgi lol

this is a good point but visor also already talked about pulling back on the logic read prior to that i think

i don't think it spews logic wolf because we cant preflip visor (as much as id love to)

another reason im unpairing them a bit is cause then i have the team as logic/syn/gh/visor and like what was that team doing (this is me saying i think gh is still linked to logic more than visor is but it'd be weird if its all 3 of them)

idk i don't really disagree with you i guess but it just feels too easy (maybe easy is good ig)

[ladd]

did I forget anyone?


light v
ladd maybe

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Jan can you explain a bit more in detail what read ender made thats unfakeable iyo? Idk if i missed it

[dyachei]

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Jan can you explain a bit more in detail what read ender made thats unfakeable iyo? Idk if i missed it

your EOD looked better than earlier to me.

[Jan]

your EOD looked better than earlier to me.

I had a conversation with Ladd about syn before rask ever pushed the slot and ladd already mentioned that the behavior is different (to the cereal game) and had syn as a wolfread.