17er Saints and Martyrs

[nebjiamn]

im aware enough as a wolf to not post like that but no you're not stupid for thinking it

from a hosting point of view though i just feel really bad for the wolves and thats NAI for me lol. not only did a mislunch candidate rand PR, they randed a fucked up version of one

but in the same token, lolwovles for not killing the protective earlier or even on the night you had a guaranteed hit

[Arctic]

My mind is kinda groggy after 5 hours of tattooing, but for once I at least did something overnight.

OVERNIGHT THOUGHTS

Honestly, I have no good excuses.

I stopped writing at -1h and thought “Nice now I have time to focus thread”, went to the bathroom and then the game just warped out of my brain and when I realized it was .03 and the flip had already happened. I don’t know why I am like this.

I’m kinda sad that my reads have turned out to be quite good when it’s mattered this game (Visor w, GH v Logic v) but I’ve had no investment in the game so feels like I’m partially to blame for the two misyeets. I noticed at one point that Logic was top poster and thought it could be clearing for him but didn’t even bring it up. It’s one thing to be wrong but imo even worse to be right and do nothing about it.

thanks for making another point of why i wolfread you

you were in theory scumreading visor but your vote was on benneh at eod2

you were repping a townread on logic like i was but you didn't actually do anything about it

i get that everyone wanted the kill to happen but it's still felt like you've been coasting the entire game and what reasons i had to clear you from visor interactions have been rendered null by what dya pointed about wrt visor treatment of partners and my remembering of your inclinations to distance early on for no reason

can you explain what the quote i pointed out at eod was? you said that rask pushing syn was a good look and without context that reads as blatant TMI so am i missing something

[Arctic]

Gemma wolf?
Nice, seems plausible!
Could be worth looking into who pushed her first after the soft claim, that would very unlikely be a wolf mate.

Gemma first ofc

why are you acting like it's confirmed????

bruh i wanna send wisdom into the sun if gemma flips wolf

[nebjiamn]

So, day 1 top 2 wagons:

Syn (7) : Ender, Ladd, Jan, Raskolnikov, GH, Arctic, Murska
Logic (3) : Hally, Benneh, Vanta

off wagon: dyachei, wisdom, gemma, logic, zack

What are the odds that literally nobody on either wagon was wolf?

idk, still feels like there'd be at least 1 in the wagons. idt its wisdom / gemma with a gth

[Raskolnikov]

thius is super wifomy but when visor re-entered thread he attached me and hally in a way, complaining that we should have been more ... reasonable? tactful? i forget what word he used, but basically that me and hally dumpstering him whiel he was gone was a bad look for both of us

wdyt the chances are visor re-enters the thread like that with 2 vs? he knows he's got a high likelihood of dying, right? does he try to pair a wolf in that list or does he just yolo it and semi push on 2 villas knowing itll be read for spew anyway? if gemma is a wolf and was indeed fae pushed by visor then does that mean hally is a villager for wifomy reasons?

this is a very dumb and in the weeds post i know but hmm

I will check the timing once kids are off to bed. Because it wouldn't surprise me he took on good townies first in the hope to be villa read but dunno tbh.

@Murska: that's possible but I am not sold on Ender's alignment yet. (remember he voted second)

[nebjiamn]

one thing thats kinda funny and ran through my head is that gemma's PR soft was kinda subtle and when I pointed it out to logic i wasn't even really sure it was actually a PR soft but it felt like a good time to fake out wolves in case gemma was v

it would be really funny if i boxed gemma into claiming a pr there when they really only intended to show off like... confidence in their ability to avoid a lunch

anyway i'm reminded of hally's (and my!) point about there probably not being 4 busted ass PRs in this setup, one of which cannot apparently shoot until the shadowy serpent descends the holy pyramid of chichen itza, so i hope gemma posts soon so we can maj them and speed up the game again (god i hate 48/24s)

[Raskolnikov]

inb4 it's Hally lol.

[Hally]

i don’t really care about visor spew from D2 cuz at the time he entered i think he knew he was probably dying because with gh flipping v it doesn’t really seem like there was any coordinated effort to save him (maybe ender fits with that? idk)

which means he knew that what he posted would be free spew and he is an experienced enough wolf to not spew his teammates in obvious ways. he knows what people look for in spew reads

like, gth i would say off spew that gemma is a villager because it just doesn’t feel like visor’s mojo as wolf to case a teammate like that and give that to town to chew on and potentially realize that there’s something to the case, especially because he had to know that nobody would clear gemma off it regardless

but it just feels like a bad way to solve and there’s better reasons why gemma is a wolf

[nebjiamn]

watch the lack of KP and odd kills be because we're all doused and being set on fire tonight to lose the game

[Arctic]

Dya I don't really get why you think I can't be with vanta because they included me twice in their list.. it feels stupid arguing this but if I read the same thing I would actually think it was w/w because it indicates they were conscious of where they wanted to put their partner and made a potential shroop

Unrelatedly but for postcount

I actually think the team might just be ender/wisdom.. which would make gemma v and I'm not entirely sure how to reconcile this other than maybe they're VT who saw everyone calling their post a soft and decided to roll with it hoping they'd eat a NK (a stupid idea, with a claimed TPR, and a protective one at that), but the wolf rolecop that very much likely exists may have checked them as VT. which is really annoying because if so we always have to kill them

I think ender and wisdom have been townreading each other for vague bullshit the entire game lol. I mean look at the part about ender in wisdom's big post at sod today, that's what reminded me of this, from both sides actually

[Murska]

I suspect that if there's a deepwolf, it's in Hally/dya to be honest. But, well, we need a proper full claim from Gemma with details and sprinkles on top, so we can move on from there. I have some means of judging whether what they say is compatible with me being in the game.

I think Vanta, Rask, benneh and Arctic are t, Ender I'm not confident about. If Gemma's just a caught wolf, that's good and makes things simpler. Wisdom, eh, I need a reread there. Nothing of theirs has made a strong impression on my memory. But yeah, I've been pretty busy this game and just sort of coasted on being a claimed PR and assuming I'll get shot eventually.

[Arctic]

would wolf vanta really bother asking if the factional was mandatory here? they're just doing a lot of stuff i don't think a wolf bothers to

i have all of tomorrow off so i have the entire day to actually read through isos like i've been saying but this is my preliminary stance on them rn

[Arctic]

I also think wisdom should have something to say about the fact I was trying to kill them at EoD - because I won't lie, if I was mafia I would absolutely try to get a more valuable mislunch at EoD than Logic to keep him around since he'd be stuck in the poe the entire game and guaranteed to always die, and I feel like Wisdom should be aware of this but they have pretty much nothing to say about the fact they were getting some serious pressure lol, and mostly by me who she doesn't even townread

And also me/gemma doesn't really work cuz I was trying to murk them on day 1 and you'd be a fool to think I'd be throwing any more of my partners in the shitter when one is already getting dumpstered. this kinda reminds me i don't actually think i can be a wolf with anyone for pretty good reasons except for benneh and vanta

[Arctic]

thanks benneh

ig my concern with dya is that i’m not sure i buy the way they’re forming their reads and the angles they’ve been pushing but i realize that’s super vague and i’m not sure i can actually explain it well without going through their iso

tbh i need to iso all of vanta/dya/wisdom/ender really but isoing on phone on this site is such a pain because it doesn’t show the full posts unless you click on each one and doesn’t include older posts when there’s too many

we really take MU’s user interface for granted lol

wait there's a way to get them to show the full posts without clicking on them on PC??

[Wisdom]

Why can't I ISO Ender's d1? :(

[Hally]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

[Wisdom]

doesn’t include older posts when there’s too many

Lol nice timing
Hm, that really messes my busy work plan to make a proper chart up.
I guess there are other ways of reading people than doing full ISOs!

[Wisdom]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

I mean we both called Logic town yet here we are
I suppose it would have been me otherwise though

I don't think Ladd had any proper wolf reads before dying, right?

[Wisdom]

Not D2

...
This is a post that happened!

[nebjiamn]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

ive literally posted that i give a shit about ladd's read on wisdom and its one of the main reasons i haven't gone all in on her?

[Vanta Black]

Got a minute here but I keep going back to EoD2 when Visor was about to flip w and he made like 5 posts saying vote Gemma, hold Gemma's feet to the fire, kill Gemma tomorrow.

So does wolf-Visor about to flip say this about a partner to throw sus off that partner, probably too obvious. But wifom.

I'm VT by the way and feel free to ask me anything you want, kill me today, whatever helps. Atp I would vote for Gemma or Wisdom and idk about Murska even yet, despite the self-protect claim.

Having a doozy of a day IRL, if it's true that when one aspect of your life goes south another is great then I shoulda bought a lotto ticket.

[Wisdom]

this is outing tbh

I honestly don't think Syn would go jokey sarcasticy on a wolf mate early on, I think this is a + for Arctic.
I get that it's meta based and really up to anyone to agree or not with that take, but based on my meta with Syn I belive it's accurate.

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Gemma


inb4 the question mark shows up in front of the V again

[Hally]

wait there's a way to get them to show the full posts without clicking on them on PC??

dunno, i’ve never played on this site on my laptop but i was hoping there would be lol

ive literally posted that i give a shit about ladd's read on wisdom and its one of the main reasons i haven't gone all in on her?

i was talking about today

forgot you posted that last day

[nebjiamn]

Got a minute here but I keep going back to EoD2 when Visor was about to flip w and he made like 5 posts saying vote Gemma, hold Gemma's feet to the fire, kill Gemma tomorrow.

So does wolf-Visor about to flip say this about a partner to throw sus off that partner, probably too obvious. But wifom.

I'm VT by the way and feel free to ask me anything you want, kill me today, whatever helps. Atp I would vote for Gemma or Wisdom and idk about Murska even yet, despite the self-protect claim.

Having a doozy of a day IRL, if it's true that when one aspect of your life goes south another is great then I shoulda bought a lotto ticket.

to hally's point, visor can do whatever as a wolf there because he knows how to limit/push spew

i think the key might be though: visor knows gemma is attached to a pr claim and is probably aware they aren't likely to go over because there were enough people retiscent to push there BECAUSE of the claim, so its a relatively low risk push for him to make on a partner? off the top of my head arctic and ladd were not in favor of going there even though people agreed gemma was wolfy.

worst case scenario for a visor/gemma world is he generates some decent credibility for himself if he somehow managed to convince the thread to lunch a partner. he secures probably another mislunch or two on the Me/hally's of that world or at least generates enough cover to last a lot longer

best case scenario, regardless of whether he's partnered with gemma or not, he has us wondering whether or not this was spew on day 5 like we are now.

[Vanta Black]

At some point somebody said the only way dya makes sense as a wolf is with me, I am gonna look that up. Because I'm town, therefore if dya can only be a wolf with me dya is town also. Or whoever said that is just wrong!

I will look it up in a bit because who said it (I think it was Benneh but not sure) might be important but out for a bit now.

[nebjiamn]

dunno, i’ve never played on this site on my laptop but i was hoping there would be lol


i was talking about today

forgot you posted that last day

logic's been confirmed v since then and even though ladd was leaning that way he obviously wasn't evaluating worlds from a lock!v!logic point of view

idk weird post and assertion. who do you think i should be pushing down my list instead of wisdom here besides maybe ender? we seem to have similar reads (i think) so i don't get the subtle accusation pointed at me?

i'm also factoring in GH's read, that guy is also pretty good at werewolf! but i'm not really beholden to either of theirs

[Wisdom]

ender is like

lowkey villagery

i wanted this to be stronger than it ended up being because i thought i felt something but the logic post and apparently rereading makes all my reads spiral into potatoe or maybe its page 7 things, idk the logic post isnt even that bad

i liked 125 on first pass, i guess he made similar posts to this in the other game where he was wolf (and sure there's an element of self awareness to it where if he's a wolf he wants to get ahead of the sus) but it made me laugh so i v read it

129 i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i also generically like the way he ended uip v reading arctic and benneh the individual wreads arent wow amazing sure but the way he got there felt good imo

I don't think I've ever seen a wolf town case a wolf mate in either of these scenarios:
- The town case on the wolf mate is first proper read in game
- The wolf mate was just getting some negative attention

You know, too aligned to be aligned etc

Gemma/Ender is not w/w

[nebjiamn]

logic's been confirmed v since then and even though ladd was leaning that way he obviously wasn't evaluating worlds from a lock!v!logic point of view

idk weird post and assertion. who do you think i should be pushing down my list instead of wisdom here besides maybe ender? we seem to have similar reads (i think) so i don't get the subtle accusation pointed at me?

i'm also factoring in GH's read, that guy is also pretty good at werewolf! but i'm not really beholden to either of theirs

this sounds like i'm upset with your questioning me and its not that, fwiw. i'm fine if you wanna dig down that rabbit hole, i just legit don't understand what you mean or expect me to evaluate wisdom on here or why my position on them is what it is when if eel like thats been clear?

[Wisdom]

Visor still town.

Syn's wolfing. (if you are wondering, he is the kind of player, like Visor, you can read after 2 posts and ignore for the rest of the game if villa. But this time he is a wolf. YEET)

Logic is really struggling to get into the thread. Even voicing it after several excuses allready. prolly a wolf too.

This aged poorly.

I'm feeling more and more confident calling Rask town though, same with Ender (git gud Arctic).
And Murska.

Vanta has kinda dropped for me again but re-evaluating there isn't really priority.