17er Saints and Martyrs

[Gemma]

If you are the homeowner, a purge and clean is probably the cheapest solution.

im not but thanks i will remember for my next life where i still have a mortgage from this one

it probably broke because its a thousand degrees outside

[Logic]

I have already conflated Zack and visor (currently slightly sus to me)
and also Gemma and Enderwiggan. (Light town)

I don't think the org is all that mobile friendly. Lol

[Logic]

im not but thanks i will remember for my next life where i still have a mortgage from this one

it probably broke because its a thousand degrees outside

I am something of a handyman; after the game I can probably talk you through how to do almost any kind of home maintenance. Even fixing a water heater, despite the hot outside weather.
(Are you in the UK? I recently learned they do hot water differently there)

[Gemma]

meesa livin in australia, and oh boy i am here for the handyman talk

im hopeless at that sort of thing (and dislike that i am)

wdym conflating zack and visor

whats your zack sus i v read them for shitting opinions into thread ish

[nebjiamn]

I have already conflated Zack and visor (currently slightly sus to me)
and also Gemma and Enderwiggan. (Light town)

I don't think the org is all that mobile friendly. Lol

Are you wolf reading/town reading both heads of these pairs or just the latter halves

[Logic]

meesa livin in australia, and oh boy i am here for the handyman talk

im hopeless at that sort of thing (and dislike that i am)

wdym conflating zack and visor

whats your zack sus i v read them for shitting opinions into thread ish

I often can't remember that visit and Zack are different people with different opinions until I see the two of them side by side

I just reread page one (max ppp here on the org) and realized that visor posted just once in all that time, so at some point something Zack said I had attributedto visor.

Zack (and also visor) is one of the people I expect to read me better, so there is that. But he has been legitimately wrong on me before, so it's not a golden rule. I'll spare the golden rule for now, as I don't want to put undue pressure on anyone just yet.

[Logic]

Are you wolf reading/town reading both heads of these pairs or just the latter halves

If you'll see my previous post, for Zack and visor, it's because I often can't tell them apart. Rereading page 1 has me separating the two a tad, as I'm null reading visor as being lazy for now. Zack is only getting minor points below null, but I'll let him simmer more.

Ender and Gemma are conflated into towny because my brain is thinking their avatars look alike, and I'm forgetting who said what.

[Logic]

I'm off to bed as it's nearly 10 PM here.

HMU with any of your Logic takes and I'll answer them in the morning.

[Syn]

why tho

he called me based

[Gemma]

If you'll see my previous post, for Zack and visor, it's because I often can't tell them apart. Rereading page 1 has me separating the two a tad, as I'm null reading visor as being lazy for now. Zack is only getting minor points below null, but I'll let him simmer more.

Ender and Gemma are conflated into towny because my brain is thinking their avatars look alike, and I'm forgetting who said what.

[Gemma]

he called me based

ur based

[nebjiamn]

If you'll see my previous post, for Zack and visor, it's because I often can't tell them apart. Rereading page 1 has me separating the two a tad, as I'm null reading visor as being lazy for now. Zack is only getting minor points below null, but I'll let him simmer more.

Ender and Gemma are conflated into towny because my brain is thinking their avatars look alike, and I'm forgetting who said what.

….

what

[Syn]

ur based

:((

[Zack]

Zack (and also visor) is one of the people I expect to read me better, so there is that. But he has been legitimately wrong on me before, so it's not a golden rule.

Genuine question - when?

You said this pretty definitively ("legitimately wrong") but I'm not sure what you're referring to tbh.

[Visor]

Can we lynch scum tonight guys.

I'm finally home, semi-naked, laptop resting on my moist, muscular thighs, ready to up my game by 14.6%.


GH's ISO next...

[Visor]

I often can't remember that visit and Zack are different people with different opinions until I see the two of them side by side

I just reread page one (max ppp here on the org) and realized that visor posted just once in all that time, so at some point something Zack said I had attributedto visor.

Zack (and also visor) is one of the people I expect to read me better, so there is that. But he has been legitimately wrong on me before, so it's not a golden rule. I'll spare the golden rule for now, as I don't want to put undue pressure on anyone just yet.

i don't like making this read as i think it just reinforces shitty play

but i think logic going straight to the "expect to read me better" might be villagery

[Visor]

Vote: GH

[Visor]

I soulread Visor villa out of his sole post (fr)

Think folks like Arctic, Murska, and Logic had a meh opening for different reasons I won't be bother to type (also some of you have stressed potential pings). Murska being overly defensive and serious at this point of the game.

Benneh and Hally also meh but I guess it's not a D1 issue (unless ). Hally feels a bit too much willing to blend in or pocket I dunno. will see I feel about this one l8r.

Zack is awesome

villagery use of multiple curtains

[Visor]

i feel like if there's anyone bussing logic it's you
where have you decisively pushed him lol? the first time you mentioned him was agreeing with zack's sus on him and then you said he had a "meh" opening

vote: Raskolnikov

i dunno man this is like strike 3 for weirdness

wolfy post m'lord

[Zack]

I don't claim to be some Logic god-reader, mostly because I wouldn't claim that about anyone

1. people can and do change [insert sloppy steaks gif]

2. I've played so infrequently over the last few years that it would be silly for me to claim 100% accurate knowledge of someone's play and my ability to read it

3. I generally dislike appeal to authority / trust me bro reads anyway. if I think I have a good read then I should be able to convince you by explaining why it's good on its own merits.

But I truthfully have no idea what Logic is referring to here, I don't think I have actually been wrong on him in a game before (or at least not in the way being implied) but it's a relatively small sample size. Maybe he is remembering someone else doing that and mistakenly attributing it to me. Maybe I'm forgetting some game from years ago I was wrong, I dunno. Calling me suspicious because I should read you better (what posts are you making that i should townread you for anyway? most charitably it's a bunch of d1 fluffposting) and in the same breath implying my read carries little weight because it's unreliable is kind of incredible, and does make me a bit dubious about the genuineness of your read on me.

I guess it doesn't really matter, but the way it was presented rubbed me the wrong way and didn't seem on the level.



I'd say benneh and Jan are the closest things I have to a townread, I've generally liked their posts and where and how they've poked.

Arctic/Gemma/Hally/Murska/Rask/Syn is this big pile of people I think are ~fine but have no true read on.

GH, Vanta, Visor, and Wisdom are true null, none have really done anything readable.

Ender and ladd seem a bit wolfy, I've already touched on this some for each and am far too lazy to repeat myself. Basically they've just made posts that made me go "oh, I didn't like that" / seemed like agenda pushing rather than genuine thoughts.

dya's posts honestly just seemed rough to me and felt reminiscent of their wolf game, they didn't do much other than the GH read which I disliked. Their response to me felt like trying to get me off their back, I thought the post about benneh wanting them to be a wolf was weird. Still plenty of time but yeah.

I've already talked about Logic a good amount, but if they're a villager I dont get what he's doing because he looks how he plays when he's a wolf so far. Posts feel forced and missing the purposefulness behind his solving when he's town. His suspicion on me just doesn't feel real ngl, it's also kind of incoherent and confusing which is not something I associate with him as a villager at all. Again, plenty of time to change and I think Logic is usually a fairly obvious villager once he gets going, so we'll see, but early signs not looking croggers.

Should be everyone, any gaps in my reasoning assume the answer for why I feel that way is "vibes".

Out for awhile.

[Visor]

the worst part about today is that i can't lunch both zack AND gh

[Visor]

bro i ain't reading that

give me the hungry caterpillar version

[Visor]

I don't claim to be some Logic god-reader, mostly because I wouldn't claim that about anyone

1. people can and do change [insert sloppy steaks gif]

2. I've played so infrequently over the last few years that it would be silly for me to claim 100% accurate knowledge of someone's play and my ability to read it

3. I generally dislike appeal to authority / trust me bro reads anyway. if I think I have a good read then I should be able to convince you by explaining why it's good on its own merits.

But I truthfully have no idea what Logic is referring to here, I don't think I have actually been wrong on him in a game before (or at least not in the way being implied) but it's a relatively small sample size. Maybe he is remembering someone else doing that and mistakenly attributing it to me. Maybe I'm forgetting some game from years ago I was wrong, I dunno. Calling me suspicious because I should read you better (what posts are you making that i should townread you for anyway? most charitably it's a bunch of d1 fluffposting) and in the same breath implying my read carries little weight because it's unreliable is kind of incredible, and does make me a bit dubious about the genuineness of your read on me.

I guess it doesn't really matter, but the way it was presented rubbed me the wrong way and didn't seem on the level.



I'd say benneh and Jan are the closest things I have to a townread, I've generally liked their posts and where and how they've poked.

Arctic/Gemma/Hally/Murska/Rask/Syn is this big pile of people I think are ~fine but have no true read on.

GH, Vanta, Visor, and Wisdom are true null, none have really done anything readable.

Ender and ladd seem a bit wolfy, I've already touched on this some for each and am far too lazy to repeat myself. Basically they've just made posts that made me go "oh, I didn't like that" / seemed like agenda pushing rather than genuine thoughts.

dya's posts honestly just seemed rough to me and felt reminiscent of their wolf game, they didn't do much other than the GH read which I disliked. Their response to me felt like trying to get me off their back, I thought the post about benneh wanting them to be a wolf was weird. Still plenty of time but yeah.

I've already talked about Logic a good amount, but if they're a villager I dont get what he's doing because he looks how he plays when he's a wolf so far. Posts feel forced and missing the purposefulness behind his solving when he's town. His suspicion on me just doesn't feel real ngl, it's also kind of incoherent and confusing which is not something I associate with him as a villager at all. Again, plenty of time to change and I think Logic is usually a fairly obvious villager once he gets going, so we'll see, but early signs not looking croggers.

Should be everyone, any gaps in my reasoning assume the answer for why I feel that way is "vibes".

Out for awhile.

re dya, i think thats just kinda a part of their gme now, i see it a lot d1

re logic, yeah opening sucked, but i was rereading a game i played where he was a wolf and i was a villager hard townreading him cause he gave a bunch of like faux effort (and tbh that first post was like straight out of that game lmao) and i think i will just let him do his thing for now and revisit later

[Wisdom]

Skimmed the last few pages (on phone, so I don't know how much info I actually absorbed).

- GH hasn't done anything AI yet, applause to Zack for acknowledging that
- Boo to Zack for the Logic tunnel. I think Logic is town.
- Both of these makes me kinda gut read Zack as villager too though.

- Ladd vibes town. There was a post someone called tryhard/wolfy that I just found inherently towny. That kind of contrast feels towny though, "someone" is probably town. I'll check out who before going to work.

[Wisdom]

the worst part about today is that i can't lunch both zack AND gh

Then there's this guy
Hi Visor!

(Hi Arctic!)

[Zack]

The word tunnel has truly lost any meaning it once had

[Visor]

Skimmed the last few pages (on phone, so I don't know how much info I actually absorbed).

- GH hasn't done anything AI yet, applause to Zack for acknowledging that
- Boo to Zack for the Logic tunnel. I think Logic is town.
- Both of these makes me kinda gut read Zack as villager too though.

- Ladd vibes town. There was a post someone called tryhard/wolfy that I just found inherently towny. That kind of contrast feels towny though, "someone" is probably town. I'll check out who before going to work.

wolfy use of applause

[Visor]

The word tunnel has truly lost any meaning it once had

i tunneled your mum last night

[Wisdom]

ngl man your reason for saying you thought hally was a wolf "despite making 99% good posts" seems pretty fake

i dont want to tunnel ladd or anything but yeah whew this re-entrance is a doozy



lock v never rescinding btw

Oh it's Zack hitting hard not agreeing with me once again.

Zack town
Logic town
Ladd town

GH null
I regret nothing!

[Wisdom]

wolfy use of applause

I missed you too!