17er Saints and Martyrs

[Jan]

I am fine with either Logic or Syn dying tbh. Arctic is prolly gonna be resolved in the next 24 anyway

Just to be sure - how confident are you in your syn read?
Because you sold it like a done deal.

And there is no way you can be as confident in your logic read.

[Raskolnikov]

Just to be sure - how confident are you in your syn read?
Because you sold it like a done deal.

And there is no way you can be as confident in your logic read.

80% I guess.

Logic looks like wolfy to me too tbh. I don't think any of them cared solving so y.

Now let me think at Murska's most recent post lol

[dyachei]

well if the options are murska or syn, I'm always voting syn here. But maybe those don't have to be the options

unvote

vote: gemma

[Jan]

well if the options are murska or syn, I'm always voting syn here. But maybe those don't have to be the options

unvote

vote: gemma

sorry can't do that myself.

Gemma should not be here for eod ever. had no traction at any point this game.
I am just not doing this on d1.

I am one of those few people with principles left in ww.

[ladd]

well if the options are murska or syn, I'm always voting syn here. But maybe those don't have to be the options

unvote

vote: gemma

@Vanta Black sap, talk to me about your read on syn d1. You said you were gonna iso them but never did


--20

i'll bbl later to read d2

[ladd]

For someone wolfreading syn i feel ender makes 0 effort to get people to vote there or talk about that wolfread. He spends most of his time talking about his other w reads


Idk i dont think its impossible that he just got stuck with his votr on syn, tried to build up to another wolfread but didnt find the good opening to switch

Syn push on ender is 1 of those true/false pushes, where like either you are super familiar with syn or its just all wifom if its distancing or not

-21

[EnderWiggin]

For someone wolfreading syn i feel ender makes 0 effort to get people to vote there or talk about that wolfread. He spends most of his time talking about his other w reads


Idk i dont think its impossible that he just got stuck with his votr on syn, tried to build up to another wolfread but didnt find the good opening to switch

Syn push on ender is 1 of those true/false pushes, where like either you are super familiar with syn or its just all wifom if its distancing or not

-21

Syn was in lead or equal lead for most of the day. I don't like runaway wagons even if I think it's on a wolf.

[ladd]

toan and meta eheh

Syn was in lead or equal lead for most of the day. I don't like runaway wagons even if I think it's on a wolf.

fair enuf i guess

who are the wolves iyo?

-22

[EnderWiggin]

I do agree that Wisdom is town tho.

[Vanta Black]

Vanta Black sap, talk to me about your read on syn d1. You said you were gonna iso them but never did


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i'll bbl later to read d2

I did ISO Syn but found nothing to really help me find him either town or scum. I'd say half the posts were joke-phase type nothingburgers. I think I said I was relying more on other peoples' assessments, i.e., meta. My takeaway was probably not w/w with Ender, because tone-reading I thought that sounded sincere (but if you can fake sincerity you've got it made, right?), and early on, without many posts, said Wisdom could be town.

I really think I was stuck in the Logic tunnel pretty hard at that point.

[Raskolnikov]

jan no offense, but that's the lamest reason to not vote someone I've ever heard. And I've played with people who have voted mech cleared villagers

if arctic is being wolfy now just vote them now. Don't wait for them to continue being wolfy

i mean you told me you think he's being wolfy but dont want to vote him. That's not me asking you to tunnel him, it's me asking why you aren't willing to vote someone you're wolf reading

I feel like Im continuously being misunderstood this game and im frustrated. that's not on you guys, it's clearly on me since I'm the one that keeps having problems

I'd rather vote murska than syn though

well if the options are murska or syn, I'm always voting syn here. But maybe those don't have to be the options

unvote

vote: gemma

Yes Ender, but for instance these post exist. It doesn't look like Gemma was the plan. I can see w!Dya switching to a light bus on Gemma when they saw Syn being the chop and Ladd starting to post stuff like "if Syn flips red, Visor is next" (post 702, two posts before Dya switching to Gemma)

[EnderWiggin]

Yes Ender, but for instance these post exist. It doesn't look like Gemma was the plan. I can see w!Dya switching to a light bus on Gemma when they saw Syn being the chop and Ladd starting to post stuff like "if Syn flips red, Visor is next" (post 702, two posts before Dya switching to Gemma)

Ngl bruv, feels like a stretch. Especially since:
1. Dya's earlier posts easily could cover a Murska vote (he hadn't claimed yet.)
2. If Dya wanted to bus and had "given up" on Syn then voting Syn would be better in terms of value.
3. Gemma is a PR they would want to keep around and there were several people that had talked about sussing/voting Gemma. Voting that and throwing it out like that has a lot more danger than some other options.

But I acknowledge that's not that much stronger than your side. It's partially assumption and I am afraid I might be wrong with it.

Btu there's another reason I kinda townread Dya here.

Gemma has had a strong need to interact with her partners.

Day 1:
Interactions with Flipped Wolf Visor:

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i was about to swap my vote to visor but now the dogged detrermination has set in >:[

i alos have no idea if this is a real read or not lol

i mean i cant even tell if he actually wants to yeet them so like

@Visor wolfy sup who is wolf etc

good question

ask me again in about 7 hours

so when im asleep

ok sure will do

(In reference to Gemma's wallpost)

Interactions with Flipped Wolf Syn:

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why tho

he called me based

ur based

:((

(I already called this out D2 as very w/w looking.)

Both cases they hadn't been interacting and Gemma felt the need to force a weird interaction. Dya also didn't interact with Gemma but there was no attempt from Gemma to push any sort of interaction.

[Hally]

Ngl bruv, feels like a stretch. Especially since:
1. Dya's earlier posts easily could cover a Murska vote (he hadn't claimed yet.)

yes he had, he claimed right before

2. If Dya wanted to bus and had "given up" on Syn then voting Syn would be better in terms of value.

i don’t really agree because i think wolves want logic to have a chance to go over and nobody has cared to give any cred to later syn voters, so it’s a pointless bus

3. Gemma is a PR they would want to keep around and there were several people that had talked about sussing/voting Gemma. Voting that and throwing it out like that has a lot more danger than some other options.

syn was a backup not a goon, so strictly from a role standpoint gemma going over does not matter because syn becomes the role cop

also again, the lunch was always going to be logic or syn. if dya had actually pushed for gemma to die over either of them i would agree with you but they didn’t at all, and then D2 they didn’t push them at all either before the soft (and people like me were wolf reading gemma D2 so it’s not like they weren’t getting talked about but dya had no reaction to it)

[dyachei]

Serious question though. I pointed out her weird entrance d1 and voted her. She was distinctly not towny

Even if syn had backed up Gemma it would have made less sense because he was doing even less than she was. It was always strictly better to go Gemma because in her nothingness she was trying and syn wasn't

Like why are we ignoring that syn was always going to be an elim

[EnderWiggin]

As above the one that twigged me most the same way:
Interactions with Vanta:

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oh righjt you exist

hi hello welcome

rescinded btw

Is this because I made one post and got quiet?

Is this.

[EnderWiggin]

Which is very funny given my opinions on Vanta all game long. I think I wanted Vanta to be towning with me and I've been huffing copium and they might just be last wolf.

[Wisdom]

If anyone can check the flipped wolves' interactions with and reads on Dya that'd be nice

I might have time to tomorrow otherwise

[EnderWiggin]

Note: Gemma needing partner interaction doesn't mean that one of the people who she interacted with more couldn't be the other partner.

I mostly bring it up because the complete lack of interest in talking to Dya felt different to how she treated either partner. Or me/Arctic. (Both in my and Arctic's case there was strong appeals/reacting to our reads in exaggerated fashion.

[EnderWiggin]

Also I am so spewed clear between Syn and Gemma lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

Wisdom also doesn't really have interactions but... also never was really in thread at the same time usually so idk how to read that.

I could be offtrack.

[Raskolnikov]

acknowledged Ender. It may be a stretch I agree, but again, w!Dya prolly doesn't want to chop Syn D1, may not want to chop Logic either (because of their D1 read) so may have ended up on a vanity wolf wagon which could be pointed at later (lettuce be real, Gemma was never dying D1 if you remember how it played out)

My point being that your reason to dismiss wolf!Dya isn't valid. (I am not saying my stuff is what happened, but it could be, so your reasonning doesn't stand)

[ladd]

We are def not killing murska now

I still think killing logic before gh is ehhhh but at least it solves stuff

Still feel syn is the most likely hit and i dunno why there is so much resistance to it tbh shrug.jpg

[dyachei]

We are def not killing murska now

I still think killing logic before gh is ehhhh but at least it solves stuff

Still feel syn is the most likely hit and i dunno why there is so much resistance to it tbh shrug.jpg

so much resistance to it? I feel like GH and I are the only ones that have mentioned being unsure of it

[GeneralHankerchief]

my "resistance" to the Syn wagon is a combination of a) "eh this is rand" and b) me piling on would make it closer to a runaway

[ladd]

so much resistance to it? I feel like GH and I are the only ones that have mentioned being unsure of it

Lots of people dont seem to want to lunch there to me


But ya resistance was the wrong word

[GeneralHankerchief]

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the selfish, conniving little voice in my head wants me to help run Logic up today just so I can see what kind of day/game I'm in for tomorrow

[Raskolnikov]

Jan, what's your current stance on Logic?

[ladd]

Well maybe not resistance, idk, it just feels weird to me people are not seeing what me and rask are seeing cause a bunch of people were in the last games here


But maybe i am the 1 upside down

[Jan]

Well maybe not resistance, idk, it just feels weird to me people are not seeing what me and rask are seeing cause a bunch of people were in the last games here


But maybe i am the 1 upside down

I reread parts of (that games) d1 and agree.
But I don't know what to do about it.

[Murska]

So I've listed some vibes in a notepad over the day and now's about the time to list what I think

I got a town vibe off nebjiamn for posts 137 and 166. Nothing they've done afterwards has dispelled that. Valid and original observations and points.

EnderWiggin pinged me a bit with post 132, and complaining about 'always looking sus' always gives me the creeps. Hasn't done much today imo

Zack is highly town both by consensus and, well, his posts just make sense, there's a direct feeling of real progression and I can understand why he thinks what he thinks

Rask likewise, seems to be really solving. Post 123 was my first noted good vibes post, and I had a bit of a mindmeld at 566.

Arctic. Real bad opener, and people leaping in to protect them for no particular reason? Ugh. I must admit this is a high chance of tunnel from me, since I just get the vibe that I haven't liked anything they've put out since but it might as well be because I've already got a w predisposition to them. if I bothered with a reread this would be where I'd start

Jan sus vibe from post 336 too much explaining. post about gemma (430) was good though, poking at a slot no-one else was looking at. Don't like that they asked me to state my case on them then ignored it entirely.

Hally town vibes from solving eg post 560. many kinda sus people have mentioned Hally as forgettable, I don't share the opinion. I remember you Hally!

Logic sus vibes, not feeling the effort, and also feeling wrong kind of effort to bring in 'light' vibes and commentary/half-hearted prods with no follow through.

GH not enough content, not enough attacking, too much shielding, not a good feeling here

Everyone else: No notes in my book, sorry. If I'd been awake when stuff happened I'm sure I'd have notes on Syn, dya and ladd. Visor and wisdom feel like total non-entities to me, I don't get people's Wisdom reads at all. Vanta and Gemma feel like bottom of the pack wouldn't mind if they were thrown out but don't have any particular grudge people.

Murska. Strong town vibe, mech clear.