17er Saints and Martyrs

[EnderWiggin]

Why donyou think you should be clear off syn?

This is a genuine question btw, if i am missing something i am open to it

But afaict you basically dropped a semi naked votr on syn midday and then started pushing all other people but syn wagon grew and you got stuck on it (regardless of your alignment)

Syn's treatment of me + Bussing I'd actually try and put myself to get better cred + leaving my vote on a wolf partner is not a usual step I take. (You've been wolf with me. Unless I'm aggressively bussing I don't like leaving my vote on a partner for longer than a short while. I vote hop as both alignments so I don't feel bad about hopping on and off wolves. But leaving a static vote leaves them open to others turning it into a wagon. I think I've even been technically caught for doing that to a partner just as pressure mounted on them before.)

[Arctic]

Syn's treatment of me + Bussing I'd actually try and put myself to get better cred + leaving my vote on a wolf partner is not a usual step I take. (You've been wolf with me. Unless I'm aggressively bussing I don't like leaving my vote on a partner for longer than a short while. I vote hop as both alignments so I don't feel bad about hopping on and off wolves. But leaving a static vote leaves them open to others turning it into a wagon. I think I've even been technically caught for doing that to a partner just as pressure mounted on them before.)

i love how you called me out for the self-meta re: not bussing in a way that gets me zero cred and you're doing the exact same thing here lol

why do you even wolfread me? idgi. you've pointed out the thing about self-meta and the post where i spoke about how the nightkill doesn't make it any more or less likely that syn was bussed, and neither of these things are actually wolfy if you think about them for more than 5 seconds

like i would normally not bother making posts like this but one of the places i keep fucking up in my reads is assuming that the people treating my slot awfully are just villagers sucking so i don't really engage with scumreads on me other than defending myself, so i'm trying to figure out whether you're just throwing shit around and it certainly does feel like that, and this is worsened by the fact i have no idea what your actual worldview is rn, so if you could drop a full readlist that would be helpful too

[EnderWiggin]

i love how you called me out for the self-meta re: not bussing in a way that gets me zero cred and you're doing the exact same thing here lol

why do you even wolfread me? idgi. you've pointed out the thing about self-meta and the post where i spoke about how the nightkill doesn't make it any more or less likely that syn was bussed, and neither of these things are actually wolfy if you think about them for more than 5 seconds

like i would normally not bother making posts like this but one of the places i keep fucking up in my reads is assuming that the people treating my slot awfully are just villagers sucking so i don't really engage with scumreads on me other than defending myself, so i'm trying to figure out whether you're just throwing shit around and it certainly does feel like that, and this is worsened by the fact i have no idea what your actual worldview is rn, so if you could drop a full readlist that would be helpful too

Your Self-meta post was you posting it defensively using it against suspicion.
Mine was only elaborated on because Ladd asked.

If you're a villager, then I absolutely buy that you can see things about your own play which should be clearing. But the point is that it's... not a defense. Mine isn't either. If people started voting me I wouldn't be pointing it as a reason people shouldn't. Neither if people sussed me.

"You can't self-meta" isn't my point. "Self-meta isn't a defense" is.

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Your actions around the wolf kill (Specifically around trying to soft push back against it being an indication that wolves probably bussed)
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I still have sus on you for game start posting
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All I remembered of your EOD was this sequence:

ok well im fine with syn dying

ignore what i just said about the wagons if syn is a wolf

(im not coming out of this looking good either way actually lmao

OK W/E, I really hope you guys are right about this

vote: Syn

Which I just thought was weird.

I also wanted to start the day with poking outside the current central POE because I don't think it has all the wolves, and it didn't need my help. (I was intentionally ignoring Visor stuff until after he posted in a sort of "I'm not going to sus him until I see what he's got. And lots of people are already voting there and I don't want a quick day". But I didn't SAY that because I didn't want that to be the tone of thread.)

But I also found it weirdly desynced when your EOD you were like "I don't look good coming out of this." and then your SOD you were like "I shouldn't be sussed." But that was after my initial sus so it wasn't why I was there. Also it feels mildly confbiasy so I don't really care that much.

[Arctic]

Your Self-meta post was you posting it defensively using it against suspicion.
Mine was only elaborated on because Ladd asked.

If you're a villager, then I absolutely buy that you can see things about your own play which should be clearing. But the point is that it's... not a defense. Mine isn't either. If people started voting me I wouldn't be pointing it as a reason people shouldn't. Neither if people sussed me.

"You can't self-meta" isn't my point. "Self-meta isn't a defense" is.

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Your actions around the wolf kill (Specifically around trying to soft push back against it being an indication that wolves probably bussed)
+
I still have sus on you for game start posting
+
All I remembered of your EOD was this sequence:






Which I just thought was weird.

I also wanted to start the day with poking outside the current central POE because I don't think it has all the wolves, and it didn't need my help. (I was intentionally ignoring Visor stuff until after he posted in a sort of "I'm not going to sus him until I see what he's got. And lots of people are already voting there and I don't want a quick day". But I didn't SAY that because I didn't want that to be the tone of thread.)

But I also found it weirdly desynced when your EOD you were like "I don't look good coming out of this." and then your SOD you were like "I shouldn't be sussed." But that was after my initial sus so it wasn't why I was there. Also it feels mildly confbiasy so I don't really care that much.

quote 1 is why im town
quote 2 is me being a silly little guy
quote 3 is a copypasta

i mean the last part sounds reasonable i guess

can u give a full readlist

[EnderWiggin]

quote 1 is why im town
quote 2 is me being a silly little guy
quote 3 is a copypasta

i mean the last part sounds reasonable i guess

can u give a full readlist

Quote 1 you weren't even voting there but it was after a wave of anti-Syn sentiment. I wouldn't ever call that town lmao.

Sure on the Full Readslist, I think I exist about:

Claimed Blessed of the Deities:
Murska
Gemma

Holy Saints of Purity:
Raskolnikov
Wisdom

Saints of more dubious Purity:
Dyachei
Ladd
Benneh
Vanta Black (This one is very much a vibe read and I'll admit it's weak but it feels good.)

Saints of true Neutrality:
Hally (Had them as slightly higher than "idk" but see previous post.)

Saints with mild Scandals:
Logic
Jan

Saints with Dirty Closets:
Arctic
GH
Visor

Most vile Saints of Depravity:
Ender

[Arctic]

ngl im pretty sure visor and GH are just mafia and the hard part is figuring out who tf is the last and if it's neither of the PR claims/softs then it's either dya or ender or somebody is fooling me (vanta or logic most likely)

btw @Murska rask has been kind of afk today can u save hally or benjamin instead :pleading:

[Arctic]

the funny thing is even if gh and visor are both mafia im still not gonna escape the poe even though ive done nothing to advance the wolf agenda this entire game

[Murska]

ngl im pretty sure visor and GH are just mafia and the hard part is figuring out who tf is the last and if it's neither of the PR claims/softs then it's either dya or ender or somebody is fooling me (vanta or logic most likely)

btw @Murska rask has been kind of afk today can u save hally or benjamin instead :pleading:

Oh hey. I've been kinda busy for today, and I'm pretty confident we're going to get Visor by EoD anyway unless something crazy happens so there's not too much to say.

I'll make my actual decision on what to do based on EoD and flip of course, but I'm telling the wolves (listen closely now!) that I'll protect Rask every night regardless.

[Hally]

ngl im pretty sure visor and GH are just mafia and the hard part is figuring out who tf is the last and if it's neither of the PR claims/softs then it's either dya or ender or somebody is fooling me (vanta or logic most likely)

btw @Murska rask has been kind of afk today can u save hally or benjamin instead :pleading: