17er Saints and Martyrs

[Gemma]

i just double checked and u didnt actually hammer

i did count logic in my original vc i just called him gh for some reason

as helpful as self voting would be something tells me thats not gonna happen

GH (6) : Hally, Logic, benneh, vanta, gemma, ladd
Logic (2) : Dyachei, Murska

[Wisdom]

why would we? it’s only D3 and we just lunched two wolves lol

Culture clash inc

In my opinion we should mass claim because we have the advantage, if the wolves are in a box now a mass claim would be the key. We're spending a lot of useful time talking about Gemma, wolves already knows if she's a town pr or a wolf, so us talking around that is only bad for town.

And if she, Murska and Jan are the pr's that's that and a new wolf can't fake claim later to survive.

From what I see all pr's are weak anyway so making one or two ic instead would strengthen the game state in our favor.

[Wisdom]

i feel like wisdom is living on another planet with their reads but they are still prob a villager anyway

Why are you like this

[ladd]

Oh you are right

Well now wisdom can hammer

[Hally]

lol you guys made me stay up waiting for the flip

ok gn fr

[ladd]

lol you guys made me stay up waiting for the flip

ok gn fr

Damn you are do villagery

Eheh

(Plz hammer wisdom, gemma claimed pr)

[Wisdom]

I just want to point out my eod was more villagery than yours by a long shot wisdom

And I don't think gh/logic is v/v

Well yes because you were there, but I couldn’t see anything that looked town indicative based on what I think is town indicative.

I don't really care about trying to push you now, at this point the game feels solveable so I'll probably not vote anyone until I've solved it.

[Gemma]

lol you guys made me stay up waiting for the flip

ok gn fr

and id do it again

sleep well

[Wisdom]

Damn you are do villagery

Eheh

(Plz hammer wisdom, gemma claimed pr)

?

Lemme finish catching up

[ladd]

?

Lemme finish catching up

Gh is at-1, we are hoping to lunch him beforr the 24 hours mark so we make this game quicker since he is always dying today

Gemma hardclaimed he is a pr a few posts back

Nothing else of interest happened

[ladd]

I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol

This gui died n1

I rest my case

[Gemma]

that's a beautiful ace attorney moment

[Wisdom]

This gui died n1

I rest my case

Fine, probably better to just follow the crowd at this point.
If he's town I blame ladd!

Vote: GH

[Totally not Taffy]

I love the smell of hammers in the morning.

[Totally not Taffy]

Final Vote Count

GH (7) : Hally, Logic, Benneh, Vanta, Gemma, Ladd, Wisdom
Logic (2) : Dyachei, Murska


Haven't voted: Arctic, GH, Ender, Raskolnikov


Vote History
If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord

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vote: logic

vote: GH

Vote: Logic

Vote: GH

vote: GH

Vote GH

vote:gh

unvote:gh

Vote: GH

vote: GH

Vote: GH

Post Counts

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EoD2 post counts for easy math:

Flip will be another 10mins.

[Totally not Taffy]

Saint Fogle was always destined for greatness, despite being born on a pirate ship. He and his twin brother grew up with the smells of lye, guts, and gun powder. One stormy night, while on a desperate run from two navy vessels, their ship hit rock bottom and the enemy drew close, ready to blow them all up and hang all who got captured. Saint Fogle alone kept his wits about him and not only bought them enough time for the tide to come in, he then deftly navigated the shallows and escaped the enemy. The crew wished to make him their new captain, but he passed the hat to his brother and became first mate instead. After gathering uncountable wealth they went ashore to spend it, only to find the harbour besieged by a giant. Once again Saint Fogle saved the day by distracting the giant while his brother hurried back to the ship and fire its cannons at it. The grateful crowd carried them on their shoulders to the palace, and chanted for their childless monarch to adopt the brothers and name Saint Fogle as heir. Immer humble, Saint Fogle stepped aside once more and served as a loyal minister to his brother-king, even following him in death.

GH was a Town Saint (VT)

Shortened night if I get all night actions within the next three hours.

[Totally not Taffy]

Saint Baccano was an unrelenting murderer. It had taken two squadrons to capture him and put him in jail, and the decision to free him was met with much disbelief and scorn. However, the empress was desperate to save her people from the seemingly unstoppable hordes of darkness, and all the auguries and oracles told her the same: some evils can only be vanquished by a greater evil. The lesser forces fell easily enough to his knife, but finally Saint Baccano had to face off against that which couldn't be killed, an enemy of pure shadow who couldn't bleed. Knowing this would end his own life as well, Saint Baccano doused himself in greek fire and simply walked up to this "invincible" enemy. They looked eachother in the face, one tall, and handsome, and just a little bit fat, the other a determined assassin with a lighter in his hand. He fired himself up, threw his arms around the other in a tight hug, and did not let go until both were consumed by the flames.

Ladd is a Town Martyr



As I'm sure you've all surmised, day will start 24hrs early

[Totally not Taffy]

As per his passive, Ladd will die at the end of the day. His vote counts.

[ladd]

ded

i'll have time to read tomorrow (irl) and maybe i'll stop being lazy

[ladd]

i also have 15 mins now so gonna try to do a bit of digging

Now that I'm caught up, I can give my full, current accounting of my reads.

Towns (unsorted, and of varying confidence levels)
GH
Dya
Gemma (now fully disentangled from Ender)

Town-leans
Jan
Ladd
Wisdom

Scum-leans
Murska
Ender
Zack
Vanta

Anyone not mentioned is either a null or I forgot you were playing.

so you have gemma as v and ender as w, artic asks you why you have gemma as a villaread and you answer this:

I'm vibing with gemma, seems nice.

but so far gemma's only strong read was ender being a villager...which you disagreed with


so what could you possibly be vibing with?

[ladd]

dya had some pretty rough reads d1 (not wanting to lunch syn, villa reading visor) that give me PAUSE but i think they are not with logic and overall their posting has been fairly villagery. tbh i'd say they are like borderline out of their range with some posts?

i am ngl i have barely read vanta posts (sorry). guess i should give them a look at some point



hally/artic/wisdom are in the sameish boat where i think their posting is prob just too villagery to come from a wolf despite not having anything clearing wrt interations or pushes on a wolf afaict (i havent read back yet so maybe i missed something here)



murska/benneh/rask are just not wolves

ender i gotta re read. gemma should probably hardclaim their role and results


adieu

[Wisdom]

Oh no I thought we'd still have 24 hours.
I'm not really gonna be here for this day but I'll do my best.
It was weird hammering and feeling correct when gh flipped v.

[ladd]

damn just saw there was the awards reveal on MU lol

congrats @nebjiamn (and prob some others, i just skimmed)

welcome to the club of good players

[nebjiamn]

i didn't realize we were getting a 4 hour night, that's neat

initial thoughts are, uh, we have a lot of PRs. i know they're relatively low powered from what we've seen so far but just from a claim standpoint seems like it coul dbe v rough (and thus kindof unbelievable) for wolves to have to deal with 4 PRs?

[nebjiamn]

damn just saw there was the awards reveal on MU lol

congrats @nebjiamn (and prob some others, i just skimmed)

welcome to the club of good players

thanks i was really surprised because i didn't think i had good games on MU this year but it just goes to show the effectiveness of bribing people

[ladd]

i didn't realize we were getting a 4 hour night, that's neat

initial thoughts are, uh, we have a lot of PRs. i know they're relatively low powered from what we've seen so far but just from a claim standpoint seems like it coul dbe v rough (and thus kindof unbelievable) for wolves to have to deal with 4 PRs?

i think wolves have 3 prs realistically (cause the backup backing up visor role seems...real weak?) so village having 3+1 doesnt seem impossible but ofc i wanna see what gemma claims

[dyachei]

I was really hoping we'd flip logic first but I guess GH had the worst game I've ever seen from village him

It doesn't really change much for me because i think visor's treatment of logic makes logic a wolf. not to mention logic's reads all game

I'm concerned about ender but I'm always concerned about ender. Part of me wonders if he tried to pocket me by not w reading me this game

Im up for claim if you guys think it makes sense but I dont feel like doing the math. Just lmk

[nebjiamn]

I was really hoping we'd flip logic first but I guess GH had the worst game I've ever seen from village him

It doesn't really change much for me because i think visor's treatment of logic makes logic a wolf. not to mention logic's reads all game

I'm concerned about ender but I'm always concerned about ender. Part of me wonders if he tried to pocket me by not w reading me this game

Im up for claim if you guys think it makes sense but I dont feel like doing the math. Just lmk

wdyt changes if logic flips v here now that gh is confirmed v?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

i thought hally kinda laid it on thick last night about gh being lock wolf but... i also kind of agreed so this is an unfair read maybe

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

but at least it will make hally sweat a bit

[nebjiamn]

i'm fine with claiming too

[ladd]

I was really hoping we'd flip logic first but I guess GH had the worst game I've ever seen from village him

It doesn't really change much for me because i think visor's treatment of logic makes logic a wolf. not to mention logic's reads all game

I'm concerned about ender but I'm always concerned about ender. Part of me wonders if he tried to pocket me by not w reading me this game

Im up for claim if you guys think it makes sense but I dont feel like doing the math. Just lmk

i think even if we flip logic first and he flips wolf there is no way we dont lunch gh next so imo wouldnt have changed much


regardless with 4 villa prs claimed/ded, if anyone else is a pr they should probably claim cause idt having 5 villa prs is that likely