17er Saints and Martyrs

[Totally not Taffy]

Living Players: Vanta, Dyachei, Raskolnikov, Ender, Hally, Arctic (6)

[dyachei]

I've been thinking about it and I don't want to end up in f3 so if you're concerned about me you should probably vote me out now

[Raskolnikov]

I've been thinking about it and I don't want to end up in f3 so if you're concerned about me you should probably vote me out now

Well, I'd rather be with you in F3 than Vanta, alea jacta est.

[Raskolnikov]

I am ready to unvote and assess all slot (prolly not immediatly, but in the next 12 hours). It's just Vanta has been POEed for a long time now and I am prolly not making my mind on her slot so I'd rather chop her now than cry l8r (been there already smh)

actually, unvote still more reasonable

[Arctic]

I don't know how stupid I should feel for writing a wolfcase on a villager who was already put at L-1 before I even did anything and then hammering them right after

...i will claim less responsibility than i originally intended

uhm
well now that my only wolfread is dead I can probably think about this game a bit more clearly, so I'm gonna iso everyone except rask

I think ender kind of needs to be in the conversation again but this is less because I actively think it's him but more because I think we could be overlooking him given well *gestures towards his contributions the past 4 day phases* . and benneh was a lot more critical of him than me and rask were iirc so that's something to keep in mind

[Vanta Black]

vote: Ender

[Hally]

I don't know how stupid I should feel for writing a wolfcase on a villager who was already put at L-1 before I even did anything and then hammering them right after

average arctic town game

[Hally]

i challenge anyone who wants to lunch vanta to explain to me why they’re a wolf and why those reasons are better than the case i laid out for dya

[Arctic]

average arctic town game

STFU

[EnderWiggin]

I think ender kind of needs to be in the conversation again but this is less because I actively think it's him but more because I think we could be overlooking him given well *gestures towards his contributions the past 4 day phases* . and benneh was a lot more critical of him than me and rask were iirc so that's something to keep in mind

You know I stopped playing when busy at MU because "contributions" were thrown around as a reason to scumread someone.

If you want me to explain something, ask me questions instead of vaguely shading my ability to do things.

Also like, at least one of those 4 days I literally was up at 1am to make some silly posts at SOD and then it was hammered by the time lunch came around.

But I'm pretty sure I'm one of the fewer people to actually put some effort into associatives for the wolves. I'm completely okay with you sussing me for it because you disagree with my content.

But don't act like I've contributed nothing because you haven't read my posts.

[EnderWiggin]

Sorry that may have come out over-hostile. I've done that a few times this game. ><

I personally have Vanta at the top of my scumreads rn because there's an awkward interaction with Gemma that fits the pattern of w/w interaction this game, but that's hardly a slam dunk

I townread Dya for the several things including interaction that I mentioned yesterday. (I think Arctic agreed with me? Or someone did.)

I need to reread Hally's post and actually reply to it so she doesn't think I'm ignoring her case because I disagree with it.
I will also add that Dya is a read I'm very unsure of for reasons Dya can tell people as well.

[EnderWiggin]

I have some stupid defenses but honestly if you want my best reason I'm not a wolf:
Go read Gemma's first posts about me and then read Syn's posts about me.

On D1.

Then check the limp wristed way they fangled around each other/Visor.

If you really think that wolves acted so light-touch around each other and just decided to drop big scum/town reads on me specifically on D1 then idk what to tell you other than "enjoy me flipping green."

[Vanta Black]

Yeah, I am pretty much guaranteed to fuck up in f3, so yeah, I could be on a Vote Vanta campaign. No self vote at this point but if I get to 3 ....

But meanwhile, I did overnight homework to the tune of trying to figure out why everybody who was here was still here. And then trying to guess who the NK would be. And then making a little chart to the effect of "if the NK is XXX, then vote YYY."

I don't know why I was all cagey with the XXs and YYs there, "If the NK is Benneh, vote Ender." Some of them were reciprocal (if dya vote Hally, but I thought that pretty unlikely).

If last woof is Rask or Arctic that is very high levels of method acting (particularly Arctic) and I tip my hat to your artful and sustained deception.

There's no way to prove this but I did think Benneh was most likely NK.

[Hally]

vote: dya

today is my day

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah, I am pretty much guaranteed to fuck up in f3, so yeah, I could be on a Vote Vanta campaign. No self vote at this point but if I get to 3 ....

But meanwhile, I did overnight homework to the tune of trying to figure out why everybody who was here was still here. And then trying to guess who the NK would be. And then making a little chart to the effect of "if the NK is XXX, then vote YYY."

I don't know why I was all cagey with the XXs and YYs there, "If the NK is Benneh, vote Ender." Some of them were reciprocal (if dya vote Hally, but I thought that pretty unlikely).

If last woof is Rask or Arctic that is very high levels of method acting (particularly Arctic) and I tip my hat to your artful and sustained deception.

There's no way to prove this but I did think Benneh was most likely NK.

Can you explain why Benneh being the NK poonts to Ender for you pls?

[Vanta Black]

Can you explain why Benneh being the NK poonts to Ender for you pls?

Will attempt to show my work

Unvote

[Hally]

Yeah, I am pretty much guaranteed to fuck up in f3, so yeah, I could be on a Vote Vanta campaign. No self vote at this point but if I get to 3 ....

But meanwhile, I did overnight homework to the tune of trying to figure out why everybody who was here was still here. And then trying to guess who the NK would be. And then making a little chart to the effect of "if the NK is XXX, then vote YYY."

I don't know why I was all cagey with the XXs and YYs there, "If the NK is Benneh, vote Ender." Some of them were reciprocal (if dya vote Hally, but I thought that pretty unlikely).

If last woof is Rask or Arctic that is very high levels of method acting (particularly Arctic) and I tip my hat to your artful and sustained deception.

There's no way to prove this but I did think Benneh was most likely NK.

i will say, this post is kinda weird to me because i don’t think i have ever put so much thought into who would be the NK and what each player dying would mean outside of maybe exactly the night before F3

the only time i would ever dedicate this much thought to it would be as a wolf to figure out who i should kill

but i also don’t know if a wolf would actually post about it like this so idk

[Vanta Black]

There is some background about my thoughts but it's probably tldr.

It is a late-game exercise that I have found very helpful, the few times I have been in late game as town. Kind of a variation of "why are YOU still here? Why do wolves need YOU alive?"

[Arctic]

Yeah, I am pretty much guaranteed to fuck up in f3, so yeah, I could be on a Vote Vanta campaign. No self vote at this point but if I get to 3 ....

But meanwhile, I did overnight homework to the tune of trying to figure out why everybody who was here was still here. And then trying to guess who the NK would be. And then making a little chart to the effect of "if the NK is XXX, then vote YYY."

I don't know why I was all cagey with the XXs and YYs there, "If the NK is Benneh, vote Ender." Some of them were reciprocal (if dya vote Hally, but I thought that pretty unlikely).

If last woof is Rask or Arctic that is very high levels of method acting (particularly Arctic) and I tip my hat to your artful and sustained deception.

There's no way to prove this but I did think Benneh was most likely NK.

can u show the whole thing if u actually made it lol
i do agree tho benneh dying between me/benneh/rask is a slight nudge towards it being ender since he was the most openly critical there

[Arctic]

i've read all of vanta's posts and like... nothing is really pinging me in either direction honestly

i still have the thought that they don't really feel like a wolf because they'd have to be playing a god tier game for me to post across 7 days without leaking anything really implicating themselves

the only thing that doesn't quite add up is the thing hally brought up about the logic push based on logic voting them when they asked to be pushed but i.. don't really think i care much about a random contradiction on day 2, there should probably be something more if this is a wolf?

i guess what i keep coming back to is the thought on murska/rask being the deepwolves (1725 originally) - does a wolf come up with smth like this?? also does a wolf bother asking in the thread if the factional kill is mandatory instead of in wolf chat? i wanna say probably not

one other thing to note is that at the eod of the day we were killing logic, vanta dropped a post saying they'd also be willing to vote gemma or wisdom and i kinda don't think the wolf would quite want gemma to die there just yet. maybe it doesn't mean much because we were still clearly killing logic regardless of anything (at least when they made this post) but it's something to think about

i dunno if i should take issue with how they handled yesterday, it kinda felt like they already decided they were gonna push wisdom and i don't think they had much at all to say about dya other than thinking hally's case was good but still not really being willing to entertain a vote there. but their posts just before theyh thought they were gonna get hammered seem pretty convincing to me (page 80)

[Raskolnikov]

Sorry Wis, RIP Benneh.

Vote: Vanta