17er Saints and Martyrs

[Arctic]

The problem I have with the spew from syn's side is that they only started the ender push in quite literally the post after the one where rask said syn was outted from meta, and they reacted to that post too so they clearly saw it, and so there's a chance the entire thing was antispew

[dyachei]

alright, well to answer you, if you flip v idfk

i agree associatives point more to vanta because i still think ender doesn’t look w/w with gemma

but maybe i’m crazy but just based on posting i actually feel vanta has been more pure? whereas ender particularly lately has played it more like how i would expect from a wolf if you’re v

The latter is the thing giving me most pause but it probably won't matter with how today is going

I have no energy to.fight anymore and I had hoped that being quieter today would allow for.more posting from the rest of the poe but enders been pretty low key. I'm very concerned and don't feel super strongly that it's vanta over him

[Arctic]

Hallo

it just felt real forced while i was catching uo, maybe ill re read the exchange better later (or maybe not)


Syn feels super different from all their other org games and they were a villager in all of them so uh not a good sign

vote: EnderWiggin

this

[dyachei]

this

If you want you can have my vote if you feel strongly about this. I will vote with you.

[Vanta Black]

dya also had gemma at the bottom of their list before we even killed logic

That list is suspect as hell because it has me above Ladd--and that is a change from previous list--and at that point Ladd was IC. Believe Ladd even mentioned it.

[Raskolnikov]

The latter is the thing giving me most pause but it probably won't matter with how today is going

I have no energy to.fight anymore and I had hoped that being quieter today would allow for.more posting from the rest of the poe but enders been pretty low key. I'm very concerned and don't feel super strongly that it's vanta over him

Ender's silence is what is giving me the most pause tbh. It feels like he doesn't want to disturb the thread flow which is concerning. How about we don't vote before he produce stuff

[dyachei]

I literally forgot Ladd was a tree stump villager when he was. Just as a bit of wifom wouldn't a wolf remember who they killed?

[dyachei]

unvote

[Hally]

The problem I have with the spew from syn's side is that they only started the ender push in quite literally the post after the one where rask said syn was outted from meta, and they reacted to that post too so they clearly saw it, and so there's a chance the entire thing was antispew

this is why i never cared about syn’s push on ender

i wouldn’t even be surprised if syn knew he was completely fucked wolfing in this player list and was in antispew even before he got called out tbh

he made like zero effort to post or stay alive lol

his actual good associative is from gemma

[Arctic]

vote: EnderWiggin

Hallo

it just felt real forced while i was catching uo, maybe ill re read the exchange better later (or maybe not)


Syn feels super different from all their other org games and they were a villager in all of them so uh not a good sign

and yes vanta if you are a protective role you should definitely just be ccing murska here

what does this mean people

[Arctic]

GOD STOP QUOTING ALL OF THE POSTS I ONLY MEANT TO QUOTE THE LAST ONE

[Arctic]

okay but the problem is from gemma's side ender does seem likely spewed

seems like a pretty classic case of wolf seeing a villa playing weirdly and getting heat early for it and then defends them in a performative way, idt many wolves see their partner getting heat for the kind of things ender does and then half-ass defend them but also let the sus on them continue (see: the post where gemma responded to an accusation on ender and just said "oh guess i'm bad", her asking ben to explain the read more, her saying "why tho" in response to a vote on him)

[Arctic]

Ender's silence is what is giving me the most pause tbh. It feels like he doesn't want to disturb the thread flow which is concerning. How about we don't vote before he produce stuff

well it works for me cuz i'm european too but i dunno about anyone else

[Raskolnikov]

what does this mean people

you can't quote?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

on lvl0 I'd say PR hunt but needs to recall GEmma's situation itt before commiting, which I don't remember rn. And I need the sleep rn. will look tmr morning if no maj

[Hally]

he made like zero effort to post or stay alive loll

this is part of the reason i thought logic/syn could be w/w fwiw, it didn’t seem like syn cared to stay alive over logic which fit with syn being a backup and logic potentially a better role

i can’t remember if i ever said it though but anyway obv dumb


arctic i dunno, i hate this part of the game where people just quote random stuff wolves said and try to read tea leaves

genuinely my least favorite way to solve and imo one of the least reliable

[Vanta Black]

well it works for me cuz i'm european too but i dunno about anyone else

EoD is at 7am for me, the shenanigans if any probably start 530am, I will not be present.

530pm for me right now.

[Arctic]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...04#post6808804

from ender's last wolfgame on MU

reading this has made me realize i've been townreading him for a lot of invalid things in this game, i was mainly checking this to see if him being all over the place was actually as town indicative as i thought it was (the answer is no)

[Arctic]

this is part of the reason i thought logic/syn could be w/w fwiw, it didn’t seem like syn cared to stay alive over logic which fit with syn being a backup and logic potentially a better role

i can’t remember if i ever said it though but anyway obv dumb


arctic i dunno, i hate this part of the game where people just quote random stuff wolves said and try to read tea leaves

genuinely my least favorite way to solve and imo one of the least reliable

ok but if we ignore the spew i vote ender here without a second thought

[Vanta Black]

Ender (as Bladescape) was town in the two games I played with him on Giraffe.* I was not town and I was scared of him. He was very solvy and intuitive. IIRC we killed him N1 in one of those games, fear kill, and would have in the other one if we could have.

I am not seeing so much solviness here.

*I think there may have been a couple more but can't remember.

[Hally]

ok but if we ignore the spew i vote ender here without a second thought

well i don’t think we should ignore all spew reads, just bad ones

i still think the ender one is prob a good one but i acknowledge that if i am massively wrong that would probably be where

[Hally]

i really don’t like what’s going on here lmao

god i’m too tired for this

[Totally not Taffy]

I was waiting with this for someone to mention the missing 24hr vote count, but alas!

Vote Count

Dyachei (1) : Hally

Not voting: Raskolnikov, Vanta, Dyachei
Haven't voted: Arctic, Ender


Vote History

If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord

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Vote: Vanta

unvote

vote: Ender

vote: dya

Unvote

Vote: vanta

unvote

Post Counts

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EoD6 post counts for easy math:

Good night!

[dyachei]

i dont know that I'll be back for EOD. Anyone around?

[Vanta Black]

Could we sleep?

[Vanta Black]

Rask is always town here. Never entertain tinfoil there. He's never partnered with visor

[Hally]

sorry i passed out and can like barely keep my eyes open rn but i just need to get this out there cuz idk what you guys are doing

can you guys just look at dya’s solving today? i tried to lay off them to see what they would do without me pressuring them and they’ve done like nothing. it’s D7 after 3 wolf flips, there’s hundreds of posts between all of us that they can solve off of but all they came up with is two posts looking at spew, which is the easiest thing to talk about as a wolf, that seem to point to ender v (which they already thought last day) but then now when people are considering ender they’re willing to vote him over vanta despite the only work they did the entire day pointing to vanta over ender. it was the same with wisdom last day. one of the few things they did was iso wisdom and they said they were convinced she was a villager and then wisdom started wolf reading them and they were like “nvm die” lol

like, idk what they’re doing? i’ve never seen dya be so limp and directionless as a villager esp when there’s so much to work off of but it’s like they can barely get themselves to do anything and the little work they do they don’t even seem to believe in. idk maybe i’m just in a tunnel cuz i admit that some of their more emotional posts give me pause but it feels like they care more about getting people to kill anyone but them than finding the wolf and i have never felt like v!dya doesn’t care, they ALWAYS care so either they just became a different player while i was retired or they’re wolfing

also they said they were being quiet on purpose to let the PoE post more but what does that even mean. dya is in the PoE, how is them not posting gonna get vanta and ender to post more. why would they not post more so that they can solve with people since they don’t seem to have a solve they feel good about? or maybe so the villager wolf reading them can find them and maybe untunnel myself asdfshhjffyhhjhkj literally what are they doing i don’t understand

okay i’m stopping and going back to sleep cuz this probably became incoherent, idk if i can pop in for EoD but i’ll try, if not glgl i guess

[EnderWiggin]

The problem I have with the spew from syn's side is that they only started the ender push in quite literally the post after the one where rask said syn was outted from meta, and they reacted to that post too so they clearly saw it, and so there's a chance the entire thing was antispew

The Gemma spew is much clearer for me.

There is a reason I didn't use the Syn spew as a defence myself.

[EnderWiggin]

Ender (as Bladescape) was town in the two games I played with him on Giraffe.* I was not town and I was scared of him. He was very solvy and intuitive. IIRC we killed him N1 in one of those games, fear kill, and would have in the other one if we could have.

I am not seeing so much solviness here.

*I think there may have been a couple more but can't remember.

Congratulations. You've identified that I'm busier.

[Raskolnikov]

Good post Hally.

Vote: Ender

[EnderWiggin]

I also have never claimed to be out of my wolf-range. I like my wolf meta because, as I jokingly said in my MU Champs bio, most things aren't out of my wolf range.

Also would REALLY appreciate "Ender is quiet" reads stop happening when I have very consistently been posting in 1 period of the day phase which is (usually) around this time.

Oh no! I disappeared for 24 hours! I wonder if this could be the exact same pattern for the entire game (bar d1) or is he trying not to rock the boat!!!