Tarot Mafia

[Gemma]

Hey now.

why did you vote ladd

[insomnia]

nice shat

my PoE doesn't change. benneh was part of it, and apparently the strat of "vote people you don't remember anything from" strat is OP for DAORG

[insomnia]

how does one get inverted into giving out medic heals?

whatever manti is saying is simply dangerous to assume without knowing the setup. his "heal" is not confirmed in any way.

jan said he will execute him. if he changed his mind then he's throwing pretty hard

[Wisdom]

Maybe too big of a thing but @grr do you still keep notes of the vote history?

[insomnia]

Vote: wisdom

gonna look into knights today

[insomnia]

dyachei

grr
Gemma - only consider if knights is not w and if the following lunches are wrong

dolby
ender

Vantablack

these are prob my reads in the people that i've actually read posts from. i didn't analyse carefully so im waiting for opinions on which one is too high and for what reasons

we're likely killing wisdom today. i wish we don't flashwagon yet again. frankly im kinda upset with the outcome of things

[insomnia]

i haven't read EoD either other than ladd just being flashwagonned, gonna do that at some point

[insomnia]

the biggest question i have in my head rn is whether it's 4 or 5 wolves.

if the 3p had 2 night kills, then that seems a little KP heavy. so i'd lean towards 4, which would make 2 wolves

i feel like wisdom is the ideal lunch in either world, whether it's 2 or 3 wolves left.

idk if this is a terrible read, but as i said in a post i've made the other day attempting a lunch solve, i said benneh / sunbae has 1 but i doubt it has 2. i think that reason is a bit silly, but my thinking was that they both seemed way too non-influential and i feel like at least one would be more aggro in terms of doing things and the other would bus. but i guess just on a GAME TREATMENT level i feel like it doesn't smell of a sunbae / benneh w/w world, i can't really explain it other than gut. it's prob a silly read which is why i didn't lean to putting him in my reads, but i wouldn't like to lunch him today anyway

im just hard sold on a wisdom lunch for today, especially after last night's flashwagon

[insomnia]

i guess if maple is real then he gives an explanation for tonight's kills, but he can't be confirmed because of it

3p / wolfvig / villa vig. n1 jan jails stett, likely blocked nightvig kp or factional

n2 stett dies, which makes sense if wolves already targeted her. factional / wolfvig is bop. 3p is ded

n3 dya supposedly gets healed and shot by factional / wolfvig. jan dies to wolfvig / factional. 3p ded


the problem scenarios that i mentioned earlier which can't confirm maple

maple can be vig. the absence of 1 kill here would be cuz he got blocked by jail. again, we have no confirmation of any villager receiving the "cards". that's why i said jan would've thrown if he chose not to exe maple regardless of what he said in the night chat. maybe he villa read him, but we have no way of reading what he types to jan, and if maple isn't playing in the same way with the thread as he does with jan, then /shrug

the wolf vig is not full, just even night or some form of 1 shot.

however, if dya is claiming full vig here then i guess wolves should have one as well.

[dyachei]

i guess if maple is real then he gives an explanation for tonight's kills, but he can't be confirmed because of it

3p / wolfvig / villa vig. n1 jan jails stett, likely blocked nightvig kp or factional

n2 stett dies, which makes sense if wolves already targeted her. factional / wolfvig is bop. 3p is ded

n3 dya supposedly gets healed and shot by factional / wolfvig. jan dies to wolfvig / factional. 3p ded


the problem scenarios that i mentioned earlier which can't confirm maple

maple can be vig. the absence of 1 kill here would be cuz he got blocked by jail. again, we have no confirmation of any villager receiving the "cards". that's why i said jan would've thrown if he chose not to exe maple regardless of what he said in the night chat. maybe he villa read him, but we have no way of reading what he types to jan, and if maple isn't playing in the same way with the thread as he does with jan, then /shrug

the wolf vig is not full, just even night or some form of 1 shot.

however, if dya is claiming full vig here then i guess wolves should have one as well.

Not full vig. Two shot instead of 1 shot. Everything else was true

[insomnia]

do you feel strongly about any names in my list to disagree with? or additions for the top ranks? in the gemma / grr tier, i mean

[dyachei]

I don't disagree that Gemma and grr are just v. Think their approach makes no sense for a wolf and Ladd had a strong v read on grr iirc

[Gemma]

if u ignore 3p it's 21 player game 75% of that is 16 so there should be 5 wolves total 3 alive

[EnderWiggin]

I just ~don't like Maple claiming lack clear on something where every single piece of evidence is something we have to trust she's telling the truth on.

Gives me some "Give me credit for my cool play/story" vibes.

Nyeh.

[EnderWiggin]

Gonna read Benneh spew and see where I end up now.

[EnderWiggin]

think cobalt's recent posting is p good (specially posts #76 and #82)

newcomb not giving a fuck about the game except about if colonel is gh feels slightly villagery (and also newcomb/bop are unlikely w/w)

after rereading bop/benneh's interactions, it felt very natural and meme'y and good and i don't want to kill either of them atm

initially liked syn pushing bop (colonel), but now that i'm villa reading bop i like it less.






Villagers

knights

didistetter
cobalt

colonel lubricator (bop)
nebjiamn (benneh)

gun to head villagers

newcomb
syn

Wolves

dyachei



and with that, good night

Benneh villa read seems a bit too generous iyam

(I think/hope he'd agree with me)

This a good start lmao.

I might be back to thinking Nee sus

[EnderWiggin]

i agree, but i think i can explain it, ymmv. i think it was cause it was an odd segue onto a topic that was somewhat ... irrelevant anyway? like the idea that it was something of inherent value that sheep/knights didn't pick up on and point out is the wolfy part to me, because why did they have to think that was the case? what value or interest is gleaned from either of those players just taking stett's post as off the cuff. it seemed like a bunch of casual shade thrown onto ppl for making gut reads/leans which is the wolfy part to me

my only guess was the timing of stett's post could have made wisdom think this, but reading it in 'real-time' that wasn't something that occurred to me cause it was a pretty ~whatever post beyond being tonally towny and i didnt think much of anyone else reading into that post either

Does a wolf over-explainy about a partner like this? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

I wanna say that's a tentative plus point for Wisdom and Dolbalt

[EnderWiggin]

q: do you think wisdom was actually interested in why bob/knights/sheep (im forgetting who exactly it was now) didn't question whether that was a pre-written post?

that does not seem like something she would actually care about in that spot and i disliked the way it was framed because it came across as shade. so even if i accept maybe she just had a different thought/approach to the stett post the framing thereafter felt ruff to me

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unfortunately i kinda like wisdoms other posts since then and i dont really care to go down this road a ton but c'est la vie and all since u brought it up

Hmmmm.

Benneh is fixated on this Wisdom start.

[EnderWiggin]

can u expand on the IH read. he seems like, an ~easy town find here tbh

Also kinda good for IH just because this feels more like TMI than trying to get people to townread a partner.

[EnderWiggin]

Oh yeah I'm just clearing Sunbae for Benneh jumping on the sus on me.

I don't see Benneh jumping on that if it was another wolf bringing it up.

[EnderWiggin]

@Jan its nothing mega deep, just these posts in particular pinged me

emphasizing the vote on you was a joke twice/clarifying his intent just pings me a bit

the post about insom pings me for the 'kinda sus early' 'but p6 insom hits diff' when early on was mostly intro posts and it feels like somewhat of an exaggeration for something i viewed as either null or just irrelevant from insom (but ender being around to clarify which posts early he sus'd would help tbf)

the post about newcomb is just super awkward. its mostly fluff about his willingness to vote newcomb as a wolf in a game from a year ago segueing into 'why are you reading him?' with clarification that he doesnt even have a read on newcomb

i cant really explain the read beyond that. i admit its kinda meh but i don't really have much else to work on rn. his other posts in the flurry were ~fine i agree but for my money he's the wolfiest of the interesting/non-cop-out yeets on the table we're likely heading to (sheep/knights) that i think have more villa equity

I will not harp on about it cause self-defense is meh and wolves can do it so it means nothing.

But I do just wanna point everyone who thinks I'm sus at this post + how Benneh kept bringing me back up on D1 every few pages.

Anyway back to spew reading.

[Gemma]

ftr monty repeating "we must yeet wisdom so gemma clear is lock clear" all through his iso like he's practicing voodoo gives me the creeps

[EnderWiggin]

What does inverting do

maybe the wolves were hoping you’d get inverted and have to send a glorious lost villager shitpost into the thread instead of a fake lost wolf one

seems like an obvious reason to me

Eeepy.

This is probably confbias but it kinda feels like Benneh's reactions around the Maple stuff is ~eh on D2

[EnderWiggin]

really?

he feels town to me from what i've read so far

i was just gona say i doubt the game is (as) easy (as implied by a wolf death d1) because of that but i kinda dont know if i have a full enough grasp of everything yet to be so declarative of that

This is a post of all time.

I'm not sure what I think about it just yet.

[EnderWiggin]

gotcha. makes sense but i honestly didn't even put two and two together what he meant by that post when i read it originally. i don't really agree fwiw cause the post seems more throwaway than attack-y. also i don't feel like wisdom was really in any kind of danger for the second half of your justification to really matter here? she was pretty town read yesterday and i doubt that post makes much of a dent to syn's mindset about how he can or can't adjust his read on wisdom on days 2/3/4

if we pretended syn didn't die (or flipped v) what would your read on wisdom be here for their own posting?

Benneh really doesn't want Wisdom to be spew cleared.

[EnderWiggin]

im pocketed

fr tho this is what i was referencing re: collab -- this isn't stubbornness, this is eagerness to work w/ someone and i feel like him prodding newcomb about this read in particular is a good look cause newcomb did not have a particularly hard stance on me either way. iirc he had me as mostly null, but sunbae wanting to engage on that read from newc's nullish pov and feeling frustration from that strikes me as v villagery cause its not juxtaposed to make him look good/make newc look bad/generate a ton of publicity about his read on me.
@grr @didistetter fwiw

Yeah honestly this is just an example of Benneh pocketing Sunbae.

[EnderWiggin]

idk how to elucidate on my read and im not sure its even worth it but i feel like ender is being weirdly ignored

like i doubt anyone's going to prioritize him today cause he's kind of a non-player in EOD and it feels like he doesn't resolve much either way but something about his posting just irks me

i think jan mentioned he had a 'villagery burst' or something and like, that's what every instance of him joining thread has felt like to me -- a burst of energy and then farewell ill see you next time when the energy on his v reads starts to run low

and like i get its on me to talk about it more or case him but i just dont have that energy rn. if someone wants to explain why he's town to me ill listen but every bit of his presence has seemed like a facade to me

From what I've seen so far I'm inclined to say Ender is wolfing but I'd have to ISO dive him to have a higher level of confidence

bro aint pocketing me this game

can you talk to me about why, i dont reallyt think i have a good reason but if you have meta considerations then id like to factor that in onmy reread

Bleh.

I'm starting to be back to wolfreading Dolby oops.

That really weird interaction here is just.. ~eh

[EnderWiggin]

It can't be both Dolby and Maple.

No way they start today with a hard bus when they just lost Benneh.

[EnderWiggin]

eh thats fair ig about activity

is his town and wolf meta polarized at all or are there noticeable differences in terms of thread presence @nebjiamn

personally im averse to pushes on him bc he's such an easy push to make and if hes v theres so much w motivation for doing that

i also just find the struggle of managing to clear lhf slots interesting / compelling in general so im naturally more attracted to that option but that's just me

i lean him v because when he's around i feel good about his posts, dunno why u dont but its not a strong enough read that i'd defend him rly

I know this is a read on how they read me but this direct counter-action to Benneh doing exactly what Gemma talked about re: Wolves treating me makes me feel just really good about the way they're reading the game.

[EnderWiggin]

i too am a PR

my target last night was

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Is it bad I read this as Benneh being salty about town people claiming PR when wagons form on them? Lmao.