Tarot Mafia

[sheepsaysmeep]

i cant tell if they want knights ded or not

I would say the answer to this is yes rn btw to be clear, I think he and gemma are roughly equally solid choices and voted gemma just cuz I thought that wagon was smaller

[ladd]

please clear me if he flips scum

Ill clear until lets say d4

[Jan]

the knights problem is that he is tunneling me for a reason that makes a lot of sense to him.

I have called him an easy villa read a lot in the past year.
I normally either find him early or assume he is a wolf.
Me not interacting with him so far should be a red flag to him.

and that red flag turned into a tunnel.

The problem is that I did not catch on early to him in one of our recent games and am changing my approach.
(not sure if it was anni or the game before. but I remember having a bad soft clear on knights d1 in a game within the last 2-3 months)



Newcombs reasoning is fine.

The first point is mute because I am certain that it is how knights starts every game I remember.
knights into is normally
"something about randing villa

line saying hello"
the added line in the middle in a new forum is not out of character.


The 2nd point about knights read on me is fine.
I have trouble judging it because I know knights (if villa) is in a silly tunnel that just got half his quotes eaten and might take some shortcuts because of it.
Doesn't really excuse lack of analysis.

This all to say I see a fence. I sit on it.

[Jan]

The ender pushes that are kind of floating around leave me confused.

Ender had a burst of posts that were fine and did not ping me at all.
He said that he won't be back until after work today.

It feels more likely people didn't read/forgot about those posts and are pushing for "out of sight of mind" reasons and not for actual content.

I hate it because ender was pretty clear about his availability in his posts.
Pushing him for what he did and did not do while around is fine. Pushing without actual reasons feels like a cop-out. (I can't be asked to got back and check who exactly floated the name, but I read it several times while catching up).

[Vanta Black]

vote: ColonelLubriderm

I'll bet you want a reason for this vote. Vibes thing. Earlier when I wasn't at a keyboard I read a little on mobile (which is dire) and saw some posts that pinged me, and I will look for them.

Also someone somewhere in this thread asked people with townread on Jan to explain that tr. It's early but I thought the tarot readings were pretty relaxed and town-leaning. I have since seen some players say Jan is easily capable of faking that relaxed vibe and I guess I have to believe them, and also it's probably a dumb reason to tr someone. But there it is. (I have played 1 game with Jan, which is 1 more than I have played with most of you here.)

[Jan]

It took me until now to realize tkon is "the knights of neeee" and I hate it.

Goes into the same junk pile as ymmv.

Least sexy acronym used by people with poor taste. I get being lazy but at least try to look cute.



On a related note. still waiting for a cat pic, ben. might policy vote there if that does not change

30 posts only so far. I might start shitposting soon!

[Newcomb]

the more interesting world is sheep/knights v/v and ladd is giga pocketing me btw

just putting it out there that that's a thought that's been rolling around back there.

ladd's said a truly remarkable number of things i've agreed with this game, including stuff that can't possibly have anything to do with alignment like the d1 vote stickiness thing, which I almost made a post about because i've noticed literally the exact same thing in my game as a kind of unconscious evolution of how people started reacting to me.

I don't say this to have any meaningful moving the needle on anything in the game right now or potentially ever, just to like, give myself a little potential postgame face-saving

[Jan]

vote: ColonelLubriderm

I'll bet you want a reason for this vote. Vibes thing. Earlier when I wasn't at a keyboard I read a little on mobile (which is dire) and saw some posts that pinged me, and I will look for them.

Also someone somewhere in this thread asked people with townread on Jan to explain that tr. It's early but I thought the tarot readings were pretty relaxed and town-leaning. I have since seen some players say Jan is easily capable of faking that relaxed vibe and I guess I have to believe them, and also it's probably a dumb reason to tr someone. But there it is. (I have played 1 game with Jan, which is 1 more than I have played with most of you here.)

I died clearing you and nobody cared enough to look for it in my iso. they just killed you instead.
(I can fake a lot as wolf. I lack endurance and can be a bit hung up on shitposting for too long because it is simply more fun than fake-solving.)

[Newcomb]

[B]
Also someone somewhere in this thread asked people with townread on Jan to explain that tr. It's early but I thought the tarot readings were pretty relaxed and town-leaning.

I mean I get vibes and I get not getting too deep into the weeds but like.

The tarot readings had literally nothing to do with the game. what could possibly be alignment indicative about them?

what exactly did you think when you read them, like what was the thought process? What motivations or scenarios or angles did you consider? If it was purely, purely gut, then what about the tarot thing specifically vs any other casual / relaxed thing anyone said made you perk up?

I'm not trying to harp on you but imma be real, you are like 90% likely to die to town KP this game at this point, just on like. relative towniness. If you're villa here it's going to require some kind of like, shining moment where I see into your soul that you don't have TMI to get me to carry any water for you. Which i'd very much like to do if you're villa and we can not waste a vote or shot on your slot.

[Sunbae]

hey newcomb, im here for a bit, wanna bounce stuff back and forth?

[Vanta Black]

Hello, I'm reading and thinking and watching movie

The Lobster?

What did you think, did you like it?

This is important. I might have to change my vote.

[Newcomb]

hey newcomb, im here for a bit, wanna bounce stuff back and forth?

love to, but it's 1 AM here and i'm fading pretty fast. catch me tomorrow, or leave me some stuff to ponder and i'll think about it in the morning

[Wisdom]

100% vibes but Vanta town.

The Lobster is a weird yet enjoyable movie, 8/10.

[Gemma]

ngl i have a lot trouble believing this friendo


idk feels like a vote a villager doesnt make (in fact i am p sure visor as a wolf pushed vanta d1 in this exact same way lmao)

idc about what visor did in another game lol i'm a) not visor b) not trying to get vanta yeeted

also that was vanta's first game here iirc and at that point they looked like an easy misyeet whereas now they're a slot that can easily clear themselves which invites completely different interactions

at what point in this game do i look like someone who is going to be a deciding factor in a yeet such that i would think doing absolutely nothing other than voting someone would lead to their receiving pressure or votes and what about a naked vote and ping at vanta ever comes across as meaningfully pushing the slot idk what angle u think i would even be playing there as a wolf

[Sunbae]

hey newcomb, im here for a bit, wanna bounce stuff back and forth?

I've got a strong town read on maple for the "the first six words of each paragraph makes me think wolf" post (a type of observation that makes me think they are actually thinking about posts and what they mean) and for the sequence of being so stuck on that interaction and not really letting go despite nobody really chiming in (a type of thing that makes me think they care about what they are saying). However I've gotten brushback saying specifically the second point is a big disagreement. Now, this type of read is one that I've been burned on before (though like, i do make it a lot so obviously blah blah probabilistic game means it's gonna be wrong sometimes when i use it a lot) but I'd like to see if you agree with me or the detractor(s?)

[Gemma]

wolfy popout

[Sunbae]

love to, but it's 1 AM here and i'm fading pretty fast. catch me tomorrow, or leave me some stuff to ponder and i'll think about it in the morning

meant to quote this one so grab my post above this as well

I have a town read on neb because he hasn't really being doing anything that looks like he is positioning himself for the future. He's not making any strong wolf reads to look good later, he's not pocketing people, he's not making sure he's noticed and getting credit for correct statements or preparing anything negative to bring on someone for their incorrect statement. Just kind of sitting here doing his own thing and whenever I catch wolf neb it's because I can see him doing that type of thing you know?

[Jan]

also that was vanta's first game here iirc and at that point they looked like an easy misyeet whereas now they're a slot that can easily clear themselves which invites completely different interactions

can you explain this?
What changed? Why do you think vanta can easily clear themself? I disagree strongly based on the last game.

[Vanta Black]

I mean I get vibes and I get not getting too deep into the weeds but like.

The tarot readings had literally nothing to do with the game. what could possibly be alignment indicative about them?

what exactly did you think when you read them, like what was the thought process? What motivations or scenarios or angles did you consider? If it was purely, purely gut, then what about the tarot thing specifically vs any other casual / relaxed thing anyone said made you perk up?

I'm not trying to harp on you but imma be real, you are like 90% likely to die to town KP this game at this point, just on like. relative towniness. If you're villa here it's going to require some kind of like, shining moment where I see into your soul that you don't have TMI to get me to carry any water for you. Which i'd very much like to do if you're villa and we can not waste a vote or shot on your slot.

It was first the tarot readings, then some content. Vibes. It seemed natural. Whereas Col.Lubr. looked like trying for relaxed, and then if there was content I missed it.

Also you can't really say "tarot readings had nothing to do with the game" in a game called Tarot Mafia.

[Sunbae]

love to, but it's 1 AM here and i'm fading pretty fast. catch me tomorrow, or leave me some stuff to ponder and i'll think about it in the morning

I think Dya is a pretty obvious villager for reasons of "I read their posts and idk, seems like an obvious villager???" and like, yeah I understand people disagree or w/e and I don't blame them because it's the type of read I can't ever articulate and whenever I try to people just act like I'm making no sense but it seems obvious to me. You asked me for specific posts and I don't have them but just like, go read their posts and ask if they are solving the game or not. And if the things they choose to talk about are based on positioning/looking good/faking reads or based on whatever comes to their mind in the moment.

[Newcomb]

I've got a strong town read on maple for the "the first six words of each paragraph makes me think wolf" post (a type of observation that makes me think they are actually thinking about posts and what they mean) and for the sequence of being so stuck on that interaction and not really letting go despite nobody really chiming in (a type of thing that makes me think they care about what they are saying). However I've gotten brushback saying specifically the second point is a big disagreement. Now, this type of read is one that I've been burned on before (though like, i do make it a lot so obviously blah blah probabilistic game means it's gonna be wrong sometimes when i use it a lot) but I'd like to see if you agree with me or the detractor(s?)

ok I lied but after this post i'm going to bed for real

hypocricy alert I rambled a bit in a way that very likely gave more words than nessicary to a not complicated idea so if you don't want that feel free to skip it; if I end up caring about it tomorrow I'll edit it to be reader-friendly

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

this is kind of an odd one insofar as I agree with you that the concept / archtype in general is more villa indicative than not. But in this specific case when it's applied to this series of posts and one of them being manti it kind of goes the other way for me. A big part of that is my somewhat murky understanding of manti as a player and how manti tries to avoid suspicion as a wolf; my general conception is that manti kinda knows most of the time that he's not going to endgame or gets a good sense of what kind of strategic role he can play for any given wolfteam from the jump and has the ability to lean into it. I guess it like - fits a mental map of a chess movie w!manti might make to get ahead of the coming 'it's d3 manti's doing manti stuff guess we go here now' type situation.

Also also, the actual stuff he was pushing on, while like - on a visceral level I get because just the way grrr writes stuff is kind of hard to parse sometimes, so I get it in that sense. But it's also.... easy target, kind of?

Take for example Vanta Black's post they just made to me responding to my question about Jan's tarot thing. You see how I *could* just like. Make that a thing. Tear into it. Push and push. I was making a point about alignment indictive things and tarot and they pivoted to the name of the game / flavor which isn't what I was getting at at all, they didn't truly in a good faith way try to grasp where I was coming from with my question. Like I *could* spin that, I know I could.

But I know what I was trying to get out of them and I can tell they're either not willing or not able to give it to me at least not right now, so I just... let it go

Granted manti's thing was more about actual like. Comprehension. Ships passing in the night type shit. But part of me thinks it's somewhat likely villager manti has a self-reflective moment somewhere in there and steps back or away a little more proactively. Like manti would kind of already know what he was trying to get out of that conversation and bail.

anyway that's the half-asleep thought ramble

[Sunbae]

ok I lied but after this post i'm going to bed for real

hypocricy alert I rambled a bit in a way that very likely gave more words than nessicary to a not complicated idea so if you don't want that feel free to skip it; if I end up caring about it tomorrow I'll edit it to be reader-friendly

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

this is kind of an odd one insofar as I agree with you that the concept / archtype in general is more villa indicative than not. But in this specific case when it's applied to this series of posts and one of them being manti it kind of goes the other way for me. A big part of that is my somewhat murky understanding of manti as a player and how manti tries to avoid suspicion as a wolf; my general conception is that manti kinda knows most of the time that he's not going to endgame or gets a good sense of what kind of strategic role he can play for any given wolfteam from the jump and has the ability to lean into it. I guess it like - fits a mental map of a chess movie w!manti might make to get ahead of the coming 'it's d3 manti's doing manti stuff guess we go here now' type situation.

Also also, the actual stuff he was pushing on, while like - on a visceral level I get because just the way grrr writes stuff is kind of hard to parse sometimes, so I get it in that sense. But it's also.... easy target, kind of?

Take for example Vanta Black's post they just made to me responding to my question about Jan's tarot thing. You see how I *could* just like. Make that a thing. Tear into it. Push and push. I was making a point about alignment indictive things and tarot and they pivoted to the name of the game / flavor which isn't what I was getting at at all, they didn't truly in a good faith way try to grasp where I was coming from with my question. Like I *could* spin that, I know I could.

But I know what I was trying to get out of them and I can tell they're either not willing or not able to give it to me at least not right now, so I just... let it go

Granted manti's thing was more about actual like. Comprehension. Ships passing in the night type shit. But part of me thinks it's somewhat likely villager manti has a self-reflective moment somewhere in there and steps back or away a little more proactively. Like manti would kind of already know what he was trying to get out of that conversation and bail.

anyway that's the half-asleep thought ramble

Thank you, this is me acknowledging the response but I need to chew on it a bit. Make some valid points and I do have a habit of getting got by manti specifically

[Sunbae]

The ender pushes that are kind of floating around leave me confused.

Ender had a burst of posts that were fine and did not ping me at all.
He said that he won't be back until after work today.

It feels more likely people didn't read/forgot about those posts and are pushing for "out of sight of mind" reasons and not for actual content.

I hate it because ender was pretty clear about his availability in his posts.
Pushing him for what he did and did not do while around is fine. Pushing without actual reasons feels like a cop-out. (I can't be asked to got back and check who exactly floated the name, but I read it several times while catching up).

I had specific posts in mind when I expressed my concern, what are you thoughts on them? Think I'm reaching or more of a "generally fine idea just not for Ender here"?

[Gemma]

Lets try something slightly different

vote:gemma



This read is like completely lacking of any sort of spice, idk if u could make a safer readlist



This vote and justification for it i realllllly hate

I am trying to think why a villager would think it'd help them solve the game and i am coming up empty

Again super mega safe vote to make

(Click on my post to see quoted gemma posts)

bruh

[Gemma]

The ender pushes that are kind of floating around leave me confused.

Ender had a burst of posts that were fine and did not ping me at all.
He said that he won't be back until after work today.

It feels more likely people didn't read/forgot about those posts and are pushing for "out of sight of mind" reasons and not for actual content.

I hate it because ender was pretty clear about his availability in his posts.
Pushing him for what he did and did not do while around is fine. Pushing without actual reasons feels like a cop-out. (I can't be asked to got back and check who exactly floated the name, but I read it several times while catching up).

the newcomb post was kinda eeh

is the only thing for me

[Gemma]

It took me until now to realize tkon is "the knights of neeee" and I hate it.

Goes into the same junk pile as ymmv.

Least sexy acronym used by people with poor taste. I get being lazy but at least try to look cute.



On a related note. still waiting for a cat pic, ben. might policy vote there if that does not change

30 posts only so far. I might start shitposting soon!

tkon is pretty bad but your mileage may vary just takes so long to type its so unnecessary

[Gemma]

I mean I get vibes and I get not getting too deep into the weeds but like.

The tarot readings had literally nothing to do with the game. what could possibly be alignment indicative about them?

what exactly did you think when you read them, like what was the thought process? What motivations or scenarios or angles did you consider? If it was purely, purely gut, then what about the tarot thing specifically vs any other casual / relaxed thing anyone said made you perk up?

I'm not trying to harp on you but imma be real, you are like 90% likely to die to town KP this game at this point, just on like. relative towniness. If you're villa here it's going to require some kind of like, shining moment where I see into your soul that you don't have TMI to get me to carry any water for you. Which i'd very much like to do if you're villa and we can not waste a vote or shot on your slot.

vanta's sort of newbtown vibes imo, you can basically lock clear them off lvl 1 stuff shot would be wasted

[Raskolnikov]

Sup, gonna be out for most of the day (will follow on phone as time allows) but two things that popped overnight:

- sunbae is typically in wolf meta, and his readlist just seemed too consensual, kinda sorted by expected ww competence (idk how to word it but thats a feeling I got). The thought on Ender could be real but I am noy convinced rn. May be a skill issue on my side, time will tell.

Second stuff about Maple: arctic may have a point but I dont think i have seen him wolfed so I am not sure its actually valid. What gave me some ping is how their interest vanished (specifically after Bennehs post calling them a Grrr ww). Not sure I am buying such a rollercoaster in pressure strenght. (Felt like"oops, I may be drawing too much attention to myself).

Food for thought.

I WILL be around 2 hours before EOD to game.

Final words: lol gemma (u cant wr me for the love of jebus. Be real or actually case me)

[Gemma]

can you explain this?
What changed? Why do you think vanta can easily clear themself? I disagree strongly based on the last game.

wdym what changed? was last game the one where they were v? i forgot they got yeeted tbh, i just remember them being omega obvious town, i mean you can't really stop village from yeeting obvious villagers as the game goes on but as slots go vanta is overwhelmingly more clearable than someone like cobalt imo

[Gemma]

Sup, gonna be out for most of the day (will follow on phone as time allows) but two things that popped overnight:

- sunbae is typically in wolf meta, and his readlist just seemed too consensual, kinda sorted by expected ww competence (idk how to word it but thats a feeling I got). The thought on Ender could be real but I am noy convinced rn. May be a skill issue on my side, time will tell.

Second stuff about Maple: arctic may have a point but I dont think i have seen him wolfed so I am not sure its actually valid. What gave me some ping is how their interest vanished (specifically after Bennehs post calling them a Grrr ww). Not sure I am buying such a rollercoaster in pressure strenght. (Felt like"oops, I may be drawing too much attention to myself).

Food for thought.

I WILL be around 2 hours before EOD to game.

Final words: lol gemma (u cant wr me for the love of jebus. Be real or actually case me)

that tier was lackers not woofs

i just want you to do more stuff cause i iso'd you and didnt find those yummy crunchy bits i like so much