Tarot Mafia

[sheepsaysmeep]

mindmeld is probably the wrong term

[Sunbae]

yesyesyes this is the type of thing we need to do, especially if multiple people are saying they are a bit stuck

collaborative breakdowns of stuff and talking through each others blind spots.

will lock in didistetter as town

[didistetter]

Dist, I'm 100% down for some shenanigans and to go and stir things up by voting with you, but I have a point that's sticking.

When you talked about utr wolves vs utr awk villa who specifically do you mean? Ladd/Cobalt vs knights Gemma sheep?

And again, knights is knights. If he rands vt in this sort of lobby it's *very* easy for him to just drop dead d1. And with that I'm of course all here to shake things up. So, *how* do we shake things up?

assuming im dist :P

im not really sure utr is right word if thats what i said:

more like, it felt like thread was coalescing around slots like sheep/knights/ender/gemma, who, no offence, seem kinda LHF in the context of this game.

I fully understand mafia can and often are in LHF positions, i'm just not sold on that being the case here.

Colbalt, on the other hand, is in the weird postion of being a lower impact slot, but hasn't had as much concrete pushing and sussing, and that kinda raises flags for me.

ik jan mentioned he was busy, i'll go back to try to look for what cobalt may have said wrt slank cover, im just struggling to believe in the top wagons when there's some stuff from each of them i find as actively towny.

does that make sense? @Maple

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frankly if i had to label anyone as potentially UTR scum it would be like... idk maybe a maf in you/isomn/dya

[Sunbae]

ok skimming through grr seems villagery too right? is anyone in disagreement there?

also hi grr!

[Maple]

Anything in particular spurred this post?

his last like half dozen posts

[Newcomb]

yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)

why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about

wisdom. artic

monty lol

btw i'm gonna let that long post you had to me sit for a bit. I feel some kinda way about it but i'm not sure exactly how to dig into it.

I guess one thing i'll say yeah I'll cop to a certain amount of forcing it - the idea of realtime bouncing ideas off someone particularly people in this game like you, benneh, ladd etc is intellectually appealing but also something that kinda has to organically happen. Like, i'll be real you said go open dya's iso and read it and I just didn't because I didn't feel like it, because I can't remember anything dya's done this game that made me like, perk up or tilt my head one way or another. And while I probably *could* mine dya's iso and find something to talk about, I just don't feel the drive or desire to do so when you're giving me a starting point of like 'they're obvious town, they're solving the game, there's a lack of wolf motivation in their posts.' That's just... not interesting enough to me.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)

wisdom i talked about, tldr: didnt like jan read, was vibing with thread but i found nothing villagy; and a third thing i disliked was there 9 person PoE but earlier i couldnt really articulate why it pinged me so but to me it just felt like a list of people who are low presence or already being wolfread or just fucking around that they could just easily pivot between depending on what happens in the future and for me it read like a way to keep options open and read wolfy to me

[Jan]

assuming im dist :P

im not really sure utr is right word if thats what i said:

more like, it felt like thread was coalescing around slots like sheep/knights/ender/gemma, who, no offence, seem kinda LHF in the context of this game.

I fully understand mafia can and often are in LHF positions, i'm just not sold on that being the case here.

Colbalt, on the other hand, is in the weird postion of being a lower impact slot, but hasn't had as much concrete pushing and sussing, and that kinda raises flags for me.

ik jan mentioned he was busy, i'll go back to try to look for what cobalt may have said wrt slank cover, im just struggling to believe in the top wagons when there's some stuff from each of them i find as actively towny.

does that make sense? @Maple

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frankly if i had to label anyone as potentially UTR scum it would be like... idk maybe a maf in you/isomn/dya

Cobalt didn't sound busy.
more like something between depression and mental breakdown.

The other kind of busy.

[ladd]

ok skimming through grr seems villagery too right? is anyone in disagreement there?

also hi grr!

Nah they are an obvious villager

@stett i think most people havent been pushing cobalt cause they gave cover for d1 (at least me and jan)

[Jan]

ok skimming through grr seems villagery too right? is anyone in disagreement there?

also hi grr!

tier 3 villager.
condemned to never leave the mine.
but we bought a sparkling chain and everything. bespeckled with gems mined in our own mine!

[Sunbae]

wisdom. artic

monty lol

btw i'm gonna let that long post you had to me sit for a bit. I feel some kinda way about it but i'm not sure exactly how to dig into it.

I guess one thing i'll say yeah I'll cop to a certain amount of forcing it - the idea of realtime bouncing ideas off someone particularly people in this game like you, benneh, ladd etc is intellectually appealing but also something that kinda has to organically happen. Like, i'll be real you said go open dya's iso and read it and I just didn't because I didn't feel like it, because I can't remember anything dya's done this game that made me like, perk up or tilt my head one way or another. And while I probably *could* mine dya's iso and find something to talk about, I just don't feel the drive or desire to do so when you're giving me a starting point of like 'they're obvious town, they're solving the game, there's a lack of wolf motivation in their posts.' That's just... not interesting enough to me.

You know, fair! I blame my poor ability to articulate things and always condensing them to generic "vibes" "obvious" "solving" when there's more to it I'm just shit at explaining it and think that gets the point across enough.

[dyachei]

kind of hate being called UTR when I've been in the top 3 posters for most of the game. i flat out refuse to write walls

wisdom i really suck at reading

syn i was wrong on last game but he feels like he doesnt gaf so gth villager

i think ladd is v

[Sunbae]

wisdom i talked about, tldr: didnt like jan read, was vibing with thread but i found nothing villagy; and a third thing i disliked was there 9 person PoE but earlier i couldnt really articulate why it pinged me so but to me it just felt like a list of people who are low presence or already being wolfread or just fucking around that they could just easily pivot between depending on what happens in the future and for me it read like a way to keep options open and read wolfy to me

Ok let me iso (im running out of posts but i feel like we're all really starting to get shit rolling now which, darn at the lack of posts left but hopefully someone can keep the ball rolling)


saving a post: how are people on arctic? think I had a "seems villagery enough" read late night iso last night but haven't seen many talk there lately

[dyachei]

fwiw sunbae, i could easily be wrong on jan, i'm not locked in

[Jan]

I am having a really really really bad day and I wanted to re-read but I went back to do that and had a visceral reaction where my brain is yelling no at me.

I will check in later. :/

Stett this is what I was talking about in regards to Cobalt.

[dyachei]

Stett this is what I was talking about in regards to Cobalt.

I wouldnt push cobalt today

[Newcomb]

Cobalt didn't sound busy.
more like something between depression and mental breakdown.

The other kind of busy.

yeah i'll be honest i'm pretty squarely just giving cobalt a daypass based on the non-game things they've talked about ITT. More of a courtesy thing than anything that has to do with alignments. I have more of a mental map of cobalt's v game than his wolf game and I'm ~fairly confident I can get a good read there if/when he shows up for real

[Jan]

Ok let me iso (im running out of posts but i feel like we're all really starting to get shit rolling now which, darn at the lack of posts left but hopefully someone can keep the ball rolling)


saving a post: how are people on arctic? think I had a "seems villagery enough" read late night iso last night but haven't seen many talk there lately

I had him leaning villa for some early convoluted stream-of-thought post that felt genuine.
Someone said that is just arctic NAI.

[Newcomb]

@Newcomb you got any thoughts on jan?

None worth mentioning. I guess similar to how he's reading me, with Jan i'm not really looking for any specific villager thing it's more of a negative space thing where if they haven't really bothered me after X arbitrary amount of time they're more likely just v. Which, yeah, barely seems worth mentioning.

Magic 8 ball says ask again later basically

[ColonelLubriderm]

im going to assume the meta of newcomb obviously not loving to be a wolf is true and not worry about him for now because he doesnt really come off to me as struggling or even unhappy. I would go as far to say he is probably enjoying himself and if i am misunderstanding the meta or its accuracy i'll re-evaluate.

I believe jan said something about this and at least one another but i dont recall who.

[Maple]

Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)

I think dist is presenting a good mindset, but i'm not exactly sold on they themself delivering on it as of yet. I may or may not have touched on this earlier, I don't remember.

No read on syn.

Wisdom im flipflopping on.

[sheepsaysmeep]

I get not having me as a villager but i feel newcomb should be obvious atp?

I think it'd make the game easier for you to sort if you consider newcomb v, just saying this cause i think you are prob a villager who is tinfoiling nefarious me/newcomb wolf worlds in his mind that wont come true

Hope it helps

towny post

[didistetter]

@ladd

This is probably not extremely fair, but I suspect this is probably the type of game where benefit of the doubt and being willing to explain are needed so:

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I think one of the things kinda bugging me about you is that your early prods felt more like something you thought you could do or should do rather than reads you actually believed in.

I think the biggest hangup for me in these sense was your push on sheep

Im a bit biased, but coming of a w/w/w rand in anni with both you and sheep, his early game feels miles different than how he played wolf there, or how I’ve seen him play wolf before. Blah blah meta read, ikik, but the reasoning and thought process just felt so starkly different here to me

Like

Between

#96 I was practically ready to town core him. It’s ramble yeah, but it shows way more process and thought than I’ve seen from wolf!sheep before

And, this is where it probs gets unfair, but I kinda think if I see that, you should have seen that? Disagreements are always gonna happen in maf, but your early call out on sheep felt very nitpicky and like you didn’t have real interest in him. Maybe I’m projecting there, but that’s why I’m writing this tbh. It reminded me of recent games I’ve specced where wolves pushed obvitown because thread let them get away with it and because the obvitown had an awkward posting style no one wanted to bother to interact with.

Also, it straight up reminds me of how I’ve seen you formulate pushes and ita shotlists as a wolf in musical theater mash and anni.

I could easily just be wrong on sheep and you could be right, or you could just be wrong, being wrong happens.

But idk, I feel like when I’ve seen ou play town you had really solid reasons for your scum call outs. And I don’t see that here

[Arctic]

@Sunbae would you perhaps say that you've over-repped your read on me to some extent? I understand that you're taking the counterpoints to heart and are reevaluating, but it just feels to me that you're presenting it as a relatively strong read when in reality it's more of a d1 blind shot.

what are you trying to get out of this question

[Maple]

i should finish reading before i post

im 2 posts in a row on posts-i-would-have-revised-if-i-kept-reading

[Maple]

what are you trying to get out of this question

Either sunbae agrees or disagrees with the statement.

[didistetter]

I think dist is presenting a good mindset, but i'm not exactly sold on they themself delivering on it as of yet. .

what in the hedge is this lmao

can you reword this/expand on this pls? i have no idea what you're saying ngl

[Arctic]

sure

i didn't really wanna villa read him at first cuz i thought he's NAI, but i went through a re-read and i guess the best way to put it is that he feels genuine when making reads. i've went head to head with him in one of his wolf game and he legit did... nothing. in here it feels like he's having fun while making reads in a really villagery way that most wolves would have problems doing

funnily enough, i get the feel he's more villagery by doing less as opposed to other names who are doing more

the 6-word post thing is a thing most of us got stuck on, i didn't really care about it at first but then i re-read and i bought it. just reading how he solves he seems like a villa, don't really know if that helps. just a vibe thing

also, the way he got hung up on grr read fine to me. naturally i think he'd be forced to do more as a wolf in this PL as opposed to the one he wolfed in with me, so it's not like im giving him credit just for that, but i still think he's vibing more genuine than most

regardless i'd take newcomb / sunbae's word for it on a d1 and assume they either have him nailed or TMI'd, one of the two.

what villagery reads is he making

what posts on this page were genuine? the more he says "omg x is pocketing me" the more i want to kill him. just seems fake

[Sunbae]

what are you trying to get out of this question

oh i missed that question

nah like, im not overstating reads i had the combo of first six words and the harping on a thing and just thought thats a villager and said so

though ive been kind of talked down to more of a "maybe i just want it to be the case" since then. but at the time it was real

[Maple]

what in the hedge is this lmao

can you reword this/expand on this pls? i have no idea what you're saying ngl

i didnt see you responded to me at the time im reading that right now lol