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Originally Posted by dyachei:
i think ladd looks worse than maple but im not convinced on either. someone give me the cases?
I thought there was one in rask/ladd/jan and rask was 3p kp so I'm not sure if anyone is a wolf
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To be fair my alignment at the moment is about on the rand line, I'd estimate i think ladd looks worse than maple but im not convinced on either. someone give me the cases?
I thought there was one in rask/ladd/jan and rask was 3p kp so I'm not sure if anyone is a wolf
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Don't worry I'm highly confident I can post my way out of this, I always find a way
Originally Posted by dyachei:
i think ladd looks worse than maple but im not convinced on either. someone give me the cases?
I thought there was one in rask/ladd/jan and rask was 3p kp so I'm not sure if anyone is a wolf
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i think maple looks worse but i think its a very good chance they're w/wi think ladd looks worse than maple but im not convinced on either. someone give me the cases?
I thought there was one in rask/ladd/jan and rask was 3p kp so I'm not sure if anyone is a wolf
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ladd's pushes this game are not great but maple is like, very likely just wolf kp
Originally Posted by dyachei:
i think ladd looks worse than maple but im not convinced on either. someone give me the cases?
I thought there was one in rask/ladd/jan and rask was 3p kp so I'm not sure if anyone is a wolf
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To be fair my alignment at the moment is about on the rand line, I'd estimate i think ladd looks worse than maple but im not convinced on either. someone give me the cases?
I thought there was one in rask/ladd/jan and rask was 3p kp so I'm not sure if anyone is a wolf
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Don't worry I'm highly confident I can post my way out of this, I always find a way
Originally Posted by Dolby:
Monty, if Maple was gonna kill anybody it’d be me
Why lol? Most players wanted him dead. Monty, if Maple was gonna kill anybody it’d be me
But now he claims to have killed Arctic, who I had just below stetter, and basically misled us by implying that he would shoot within my solve.
So that sucks.
Originally Posted by dyachei:
i think ladd looks worse than maple but im not convinced on either. someone give me the cases?
I thought there was one in rask/ladd/jan and rask was 3p kp so I'm not sure if anyone is a wolf
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He's sublimely associated with syn. There is no player who is more associated with syn. In a way similar to another scum game he had (with you, here, two years ago).i think ladd looks worse than maple but im not convinced on either. someone give me the cases?
I thought there was one in rask/ladd/jan and rask was 3p kp so I'm not sure if anyone is a wolf
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Originally Posted by Montmorency:
Why lol? Most players wanted him dead.
But now he claims to have killed Arctic, who I had just below stetter, and basically misled us by implying that he would shoot within my solve.
So that sucks.
He's sublimely associated with syn. There is no player who is more associated with syn. In a way similar to another scum game he had (with you, here, two years ago).
No, I gave Arctic an ability yesterday. Him dying last night is totally unrelated.Why lol? Most players wanted him dead.
But now he claims to have killed Arctic, who I had just below stetter, and basically misled us by implying that he would shoot within my solve.
So that sucks.
He's sublimely associated with syn. There is no player who is more associated with syn. In a way similar to another scum game he had (with you, here, two years ago).
vote: ladd
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Originally Posted by Maple:
To be fair my alignment at the moment is about on the rand line, I'd estimate
Don't worry I'm highly confident I can post my way out of this, I always find a way
Vote: MapleTo be fair my alignment at the moment is about on the rand line, I'd estimate
Don't worry I'm highly confident I can post my way out of this, I always find a way
Originally Posted by Maple:
No, I gave Arctic an ability yesterday. Him dying last night is totally unrelated.
When did you claim that? Did I misunderstand "despo shots?"No, I gave Arctic an ability yesterday. Him dying last night is totally unrelated.
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
When did you claim that? Did I misunderstand "despo shots?"
I explicitly claimed inventorWhen did you claim that? Did I misunderstand "despo shots?"
The despo shots thing was a 1 off joke post referencing anni where I died in a similar position
Jesus Christ.
So was everyone talking about "inverter" when we should have heard "inventor?" This is still gnawing at me.
So was everyone talking about "inverter" when we should have heard "inventor?" This is still gnawing at me.
manti, if your role inverts others why didnt you invert me? maybe it would have reset shots or something
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can we just maj maple and kick back off tomorrow same time? lol
Nono, the inverter turned my "self-inventor" into a "normal inventor".
Or rather, I can select a card and draw it and it's a usable action but I don't know what they do until it's in my hand.
Now I simply give someone else a card.
I gave Arctic the 7 of Pennticles (or coins or whatever) hoping it'd be like a commute or smth. No such luck, evidently.
It's funny that my other target was gonna be bop, but I tried dodging kp w/ Arctic. Somehow it'd be more correct to give the card to a claimed pr lol
Or rather, I can select a card and draw it and it's a usable action but I don't know what they do until it's in my hand.
Now I simply give someone else a card.
I gave Arctic the 7 of Pennticles (or coins or whatever) hoping it'd be like a commute or smth. No such luck, evidently.
It's funny that my other target was gonna be bop, but I tried dodging kp w/ Arctic. Somehow it'd be more correct to give the card to a claimed pr lol
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
can we just maj maple and kick back off tomorrow same time? lol
nah we gotta wagon ladd and wisdom too for the infonomicscan we just maj maple and kick back off tomorrow same time? lol
No those are two totally different things.
You're never gonna believe me but I actually haven't lied about a single thing this game.
Originally Posted by Maple:
Nono, the inverter turned my "self-inventor" into a "normal inventor".
Yep, I'm bamboozled. Nothing happening in this game aligns with the Maf wiki description of "inverted." It sounds more like someone's upgrading your and jan's PRs, if you've been truthful (which itself sounds like an unclaimed town PR).Nono, the inverter turned my "self-inventor" into a "normal inventor".
What did you claim for N1 again?
Originally Posted by Maple:
Nono, the inverter turned my "self-inventor" into a "normal inventor".
Or rather, I can select a card and draw it and it's a usable action but I don't know what they do until it's in my hand.
Now I simply give someone else a card.
I gave Arctic the 7 of Pennticles (or coins or whatever) hoping it'd be like a commute or smth. No such luck, evidently.
It's funny that my other target was gonna be bop, but I tried dodging kp w/ Arctic. Somehow it'd be more correct to give the card to a claimed pr lol
whats ur flavor nameNono, the inverter turned my "self-inventor" into a "normal inventor".
Or rather, I can select a card and draw it and it's a usable action but I don't know what they do until it's in my hand.
Now I simply give someone else a card.
I gave Arctic the 7 of Pennticles (or coins or whatever) hoping it'd be like a commute or smth. No such luck, evidently.
It's funny that my other target was gonna be bop, but I tried dodging kp w/ Arctic. Somehow it'd be more correct to give the card to a claimed pr lol
World
I can select any of the minor arcana
If I'm remembering right it's
Swords wands cups and the fancy old English word for coins
If I'm remembering right it's
Swords wands cups and the fancy old English word for coins
Vote: Wisdom
I think that the inverter is town. Don't really see Jan and Maple as mafia targets (I say this despite Jan's PR claim yesterday, but we're in role madness so w/e)
I think that the inverter is town. Don't really see Jan and Maple as mafia targets (I say this despite Jan's PR claim yesterday, but we're in role madness so w/e)
Monty want to mason 
Vote: Wisdom
where i'm at roughly, tiers not ordered within (also an excuse to use [ glow] tags which are insanely cool)
~lock town (should be 0 wolves)
1. dyachei - vig claim aside just town off d1, but lock for the 'CC' on rask even tho he flipped neut and not wolf, functionally its near the same since the only real possibility was if rask flipped v then their roles were pretty incompatible
11. grr - my most confident read itg mech aside. i think lots of ppl have co-signed this dead/alive/town/wolf and i dont see the need to overthink this
13. insomnia - this high off day 1 mostly, dont think he'd bus syn when rask/sheep are viable wagons, especially when ladd/newc are pushing to resolve v!sheep and knights also has a good amount of v equity that could have been a 3rd counter. doesn't make sense meta wise and the rest of his posting is v good
v likely town (0-1w hopefully)
4. Vanta Black - prety villagery pop ins and feels distinctly different from her champs game. would like to see more out of them but i sorta think she may have been threadspewed v yesterday
9. Jan - vibes, playing towny, believable pr claim, shrug
21. Dolby (formerly C0balt). - idk i just read his posts and think town. if he were vagos i would say he makes good poasts
lean town but less sure? (0-1)
6. Sunbae - some meta stuff and general vibes, he hasn't pinged anything on my radar for how i read him but out of respect for his wolf game i am putting him in this tier cause as iaafr once said i'm "eternally pocketed" (I disagree and think that's a dumb ass read tbh but w/e)
10. gemma - idk going after stett as wolf just doesnt make sense to me but i could see myself being a sucker for this read. feels diff from last game they were a wolf too but low confidence
19. Montmorency - lots of posts around EOD1 and 2 that just make me wonder "why do this as a wolf?" -- they also make me wonder "why do it as a villager?" sometimes too but in general i think they've been good enough
20. Theknightsofneeee - had him in v likely town earlier but the lack of volume and impact yesterday made me drop him down just out of #thefear.
poe -> maybe woof (1-2 wolves)
8. ladd - pushing lots of villagers day 1 and 2 and didn't do anything with syn. he's soft pushed me a bit and a) he's like, almost never misread me and b) even if i dont hold him to the standard of A, there was like, 0 conviction with his push on me yesterday and was pretty limp and then changed his vote over to monty near eod while (i think?) defending rask. if mont is a wolf then its not that bad, but if he's v then he went from villa to villa day 2 after doing that day 1. he's also defended a few players i have wr'd at various points of the game, and i don't see how all those are true unless there's several misclears in my towncore. so either him or I are having a really rough game or he's a woof (or maybe we're both having ~OK games but we dont have the full picture to see that yet, idk!)
12. EnderWiggin - if i take his PR claim at FV then w/e but if i ignore that, i think he has a lot of pairing equity w/ ladd and wisdom. having said that, i do agree w/ ladd re: logic of claims coming out unlikely to have multiple wolves claiming after eachother and i get the feeling he'd coach against that so idt these 3 are like, hardly ever gonna be w/w/w.
14. Wisdom - claim seems out of place in relation to everything else tbh. some good posts day 1 but also some sus posts and day 2 was not great even disregarding the claim.
wolf
18. Maple - probly wolf KP tbh. claimed feedback at EOD. claimed self-resolution. self-resolving player dies, no feedback, fun
i know my bottom 4 poe is not w/w/w/w, or at least, its extremely unlikely, which means im misclearing at least 1 player in my lean towns so id like to focus discussion/challenges on my worldview around those 7 players today (with a preference for the ones in the lean town section but ill take what i can get)
~lock town (should be 0 wolves)
1. dyachei - vig claim aside just town off d1, but lock for the 'CC' on rask even tho he flipped neut and not wolf, functionally its near the same since the only real possibility was if rask flipped v then their roles were pretty incompatible
11. grr - my most confident read itg mech aside. i think lots of ppl have co-signed this dead/alive/town/wolf and i dont see the need to overthink this
13. insomnia - this high off day 1 mostly, dont think he'd bus syn when rask/sheep are viable wagons, especially when ladd/newc are pushing to resolve v!sheep and knights also has a good amount of v equity that could have been a 3rd counter. doesn't make sense meta wise and the rest of his posting is v good
v likely town (0-1w hopefully)
4. Vanta Black - prety villagery pop ins and feels distinctly different from her champs game. would like to see more out of them but i sorta think she may have been threadspewed v yesterday
9. Jan - vibes, playing towny, believable pr claim, shrug
21. Dolby (formerly C0balt). - idk i just read his posts and think town. if he were vagos i would say he makes good poasts
lean town but less sure? (0-1)
6. Sunbae - some meta stuff and general vibes, he hasn't pinged anything on my radar for how i read him but out of respect for his wolf game i am putting him in this tier cause as iaafr once said i'm "eternally pocketed" (I disagree and think that's a dumb ass read tbh but w/e)
10. gemma - idk going after stett as wolf just doesnt make sense to me but i could see myself being a sucker for this read. feels diff from last game they were a wolf too but low confidence
19. Montmorency - lots of posts around EOD1 and 2 that just make me wonder "why do this as a wolf?" -- they also make me wonder "why do it as a villager?" sometimes too but in general i think they've been good enough
20. Theknightsofneeee - had him in v likely town earlier but the lack of volume and impact yesterday made me drop him down just out of #thefear.
poe -> maybe woof (1-2 wolves)
8. ladd - pushing lots of villagers day 1 and 2 and didn't do anything with syn. he's soft pushed me a bit and a) he's like, almost never misread me and b) even if i dont hold him to the standard of A, there was like, 0 conviction with his push on me yesterday and was pretty limp and then changed his vote over to monty near eod while (i think?) defending rask. if mont is a wolf then its not that bad, but if he's v then he went from villa to villa day 2 after doing that day 1. he's also defended a few players i have wr'd at various points of the game, and i don't see how all those are true unless there's several misclears in my towncore. so either him or I are having a really rough game or he's a woof (or maybe we're both having ~OK games but we dont have the full picture to see that yet, idk!)
12. EnderWiggin - if i take his PR claim at FV then w/e but if i ignore that, i think he has a lot of pairing equity w/ ladd and wisdom. having said that, i do agree w/ ladd re: logic of claims coming out unlikely to have multiple wolves claiming after eachother and i get the feeling he'd coach against that so idt these 3 are like, hardly ever gonna be w/w/w.
14. Wisdom - claim seems out of place in relation to everything else tbh. some good posts day 1 but also some sus posts and day 2 was not great even disregarding the claim.
wolf
18. Maple - probly wolf KP tbh. claimed feedback at EOD. claimed self-resolution. self-resolving player dies, no feedback, fun
i know my bottom 4 poe is not w/w/w/w, or at least, its extremely unlikely, which means im misclearing at least 1 player in my lean towns so id like to focus discussion/challenges on my worldview around those 7 players today (with a preference for the ones in the lean town section but ill take what i can get)
Originally Posted by Dolby:
Monty want to mason
I can't core you, but maybe.Monty want to mason
I'll let someone else sort out Maple and what he did D1 vs D2, it's not productive for me to think about him.
We need to hear Ender's full claim, and why Wisdom the firefighter allowed Stetter to die.
ladd is the best wagon for the day.
Leans
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Originally Posted by Montmorency:
I can't core you, but maybe.
I'll let someone else sort out Maple and what he did D1 vs D2, it's not productive for me to think about him.
We need to hear Ender's full claim, and why Wisdom the firefighter allowed Stetter to die.
ladd is the best wagon for the day.
Leans
when is the last time you updated your listI can't core you, but maybe.
I'll let someone else sort out Maple and what he did D1 vs D2, it's not productive for me to think about him.
We need to hear Ender's full claim, and why Wisdom the firefighter allowed Stetter to die.
ladd is the best wagon for the day.
Leans
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
when is the last time you updated your list
Right now. Here's D2.when is the last time you updated your list
Dya was obv locked after D2. Neb and Sunbae moved to just null, because they said some creepy things today but I still can't think of anything very good or bad about them. Maybe I could move everyone in the high null up to light town, but I'm not really thinking about them. Today I'm thinking about Syn, Ladd, Ender, and sorting out Ender and Wisdom PR claims. Maple is mixed null; I'll try to avoid that discourse. Jan is still in special because I'm not sure I can trust their claim (though I could be wrong about stetter being arsoned).
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
8. ladd - pushing lots of villagers day 1 and 2
which8. ladd - pushing lots of villagers day 1 and 2
Originally Posted by Gemma:
which
me/sheep for onewhich
knights/monty seems ~likely too (or i'm wrong)
reminder that raskol was a villager WRT vote logic (people who voted him EOD 1 over syn voted a villager wagon over a wolf wagon)
less so yesterday after the claim (because it was a weird claim and likely to be non villager after that) but people pushing him before the claim also were essentially pushing a villager.
btw I think that based on his card (the devil) he was likely an arsonist. He was neutral, flavor works well for that role, and it makes wisdom's role believable/likely villager.
Since no additional kp showed n1, makes arsonist more likely too.
i'm probably cool with soft clearing wisdom(and yes ofc a wolf firefighter with a neutral arsonist is possible but I don't think visor would give a wolf firefighter and not a villa firefighter, and then I assume that villa would have counterclaimed wisdom)
less so yesterday after the claim (because it was a weird claim and likely to be non villager after that) but people pushing him before the claim also were essentially pushing a villager.
btw I think that based on his card (the devil) he was likely an arsonist. He was neutral, flavor works well for that role, and it makes wisdom's role believable/likely villager.
Since no additional kp showed n1, makes arsonist more likely too.
i'm probably cool with soft clearing wisdom(and yes ofc a wolf firefighter with a neutral arsonist is possible but I don't think visor would give a wolf firefighter and not a villa firefighter, and then I assume that villa would have counterclaimed wisdom)
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