Tarot Mafia

[Gemma]

not really?
He is in the poe, but I don't know if he is more sus than he was yesterday.

I am trying to process if knights still tunneling me right now is a terrible village tunnel or a wolf using a crutch.
And it annoys me. A part of me wants to jail him spam "a/s/l?" in prison all night and kill him if he doesn't make me chuckle.

But I should pick someone that is more likely to flip wolf tbh.

Ladd wanting Maple dead when I can at least confirm that the invert part of the claim is real is another problem.
Not sure if I am giving too much leeway or not.
Not sure if Maple is be wolf kp that got inverted and still keeps it. (Inverting is more twisting than fully changing roles a far as I can tell).
The World claim fits well with the roleclaim (world is the last and highest card of the high arcana to my limited knowledge, which fits with the ability to draw all those lower cards).
"Whenever it comes up, this card represents what is truly desired."

I will not bet the game on a claim being a good flavor fit. But it does give me pause and adds to my doubt.

i mean the issue with maple's claim for me is that a) he visited a villager who died b) he said his role is self-resolving when it really isn't (inventor is confirmable but it can be either alignment) c) he said he has a pgo which is just super convenient - in other words none of it is convincing at all, the only reason for me not to kill him based on his claim is that i think inventors are fun

i think his role and flavor is real but that doesn't have anything to do with his alignment imo

and i dont v read his posting so

[Jan]

i mean the issue with maple's claim for me is that a) he visited a villager who died b) he said his role is self-resolving when it really isn't (inventor is confirmable but it can be either alignment) c) he said he has a pgo which is just super convenient - in other words none of it is convincing at all, the only reason for me not to kill him based on his claim is that i think inventors are fun

i think his role and flavor is real but that doesn't have anything to do with his alignment imo

and i dont v read his posting so

All of this is fair.

At a certain point of all on 1 tunneling I tend to doubt myself and think it is bad to follow because wolves want it too.
But wolves bus and you are correct that maple is not villagery based on posts (manti never is to me)

Years ago my go to manti read was
"does he focus on bussing a wolf D1? -> Yes!
"Okay, they are partners."
But that was 5 years ago.

[Gemma]

oh, what are your pronouns sorry
@Maple

[dyachei]

ok so someone explain to me why maple is a wolf and not just a villager fucking around like he does?

And no mont, your argument of he did this in a previous wolf game is lame because he's also done this in a previous village game

[Gemma]

Gemma has pretty much the same reads as I do.

If she's w/w with both Maple and Ladd I don't think her only focus today would be ladd/maple/wisdom.

So if Ladd/Maple are w/w I don't think Gemma is wolfing but Gemmas play is quite narrow/static from what I've seen so she probably still a wolf.

Implying Maple/Ladd not being w/w.

xdd

[Maple]

oh, what are your pronouns sorry
@Maple

any

[Gemma]

ok so someone explain to me why maple is a wolf and not just a villager fucking around like he does?

And no mont, your argument of he did this in a previous wolf game is lame because he's also done this in a previous village game

idk anything about their meta

[Gemma]

Even now no one has an idea of what the hell "inverted" is.

in tarot, the meaning of a card and its relation to other cards in a reading changes depending on the way the card is facing when it is dealt

look at the card in your role pm, it's facing upwards, the normal way

it can be turned sideways or upside down and that changes how its interpreted

"inverting" is just this game's language to describe that change

everyone has their role, then they have another hidden role. when they get inverted, their role changes to the hidden (and more fun) role

[Gemma]

I had a lot last night but I think waking up and catching up has removed it. Which is fine. Old me would have dug their heels in and forced themself to barrel through despite the fact that nobody really cares about anything I'm saying (and havent all game!) until people got the message. It's why I was rarely mischopped! New me just caught up and said "hm, alright then, yall do you and ill go to lunch and say glgl" which, tbh, feels absolutely divine.

[Gemma]

It is what I thought. Just double checking.
In that case I could target you and vice versa.
If I don't get a card you get executed.

Not sure if the village supports this off, but we both have day actions now apparently.

whew boy

thats a chonker

[Maple]

ok so someone explain to me why maple is a wolf and not just a villager fucking around like he does?

And no mont, your argument of he did this in a previous wolf game is lame because he's also done this in a previous village game

whats fucked up is im not even fucking around, im just playing my role

i didnt even fake claim!

[Gemma]

and i want it to be ladd but something (not a soft) just stops me from making the call even though objectively i think it's correct

personally i just dont really want to yeet a slot that my top townread strongly v read when i also have other slots i want to yeet

[dyachei]

whats fucked up is im not even fucking around, im just playing my role

i didnt even fake claim!

but you are without fake claiming. the way you've presented info is a fuck around way

[Gemma]

Here's the thing. I think Wisdom is a wolf who decided to not bus this game (a bird whispered to me once she generally decides pregame if she wants to bus or not and then sticks with it. i have seen this once myself). She is pretty stuck with their solving because of that, she needs to protect her wolfpals which is why her reads have pretty strange focus either on slots that gonna resolve soon anyway like Rask or Maple, or on slots that are pretty much dead-ends to sus into, stetter and me. recently she is kinda distancing from ladd but also still somewhat reluctant on it because she is the one who wants to end up being bussed, not vice versa.

thots? @insomnia

ehhhh

im all for world building but this is too preflippy for my taste

[Dolby]

Is there any good way to circumvent the 100 post search result for ISOs here by the way? Best thing I've got is break posts by a player up by date in advanced search to have multiple searches, containing the full ISO

[Gemma]

also from what i have seen people are COMPLETELY dropping everyones legacies immediately so you'll also be forgotten the minute ur dead. xD I cant recall anyone ever referring to a legacy (it probably happened once or twice I struggle to be aware of everything).

(which is also kinda a subtle hint to me that dead villa legacies are probs decent).

here's my legacy:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Maple]

Idk ladd isn't even posting particularly good I just find him villagery. Mb if I'm wrong.

Assuming rask was sk - or at 3p thats evil and kills cause jester would have been announced as winning - there's perhaps 3 wolves left.

I think ladd as wolf tries to kill me during the day harder especially because wolves couldn't reasonably expect me to end up with 0 new mechanical information unless the world we live in is fucked and crazy. I think ladd tries to push me over yesterday as wolf, to that end.

So anyway, world building for 3 is just very tough given how tight the poe is here.

It's reasonable for someone pushing for *specifically* me today to also sus a partner a bit since they can just "reevaluate" tomorrow, so I can't read into that, really.

Us having 2 more or less unstoppable kills here - the vote and Jan's execute means wolves more or less need to make 2 kills today assuming we play optimally, though.

[Gemma]

Ender is villagery and also claims PR. gonna wifom this line to say he's the inverter role off PoE but it could be someone else hehe

nah he claimed to have not used his action last night and jan was inverted

bop was inverter imo

[Gemma]

Which leaves

Maple / ladd / wisdom / montmorency

im not convinced on benneh and to an extent sunbae

benneh idk we have pretty similar reads which makes me hesitant but i havent really vibed with any of his takes even when we agree (eg he w reads ladd for pushing villagers and lists 2-3 names but ignores that ladds main push d1 was me and doesnt account for this anywhere in his world building) and his ender push was kinda eh

sunbae's just off in narnia and idk how to read into it

[Maple]

i will say being able to thank posts in game threads is extremely nice, it helps cut down on clutter and gives you an easy option for acknowledging posts.

[Gemma]

and with that I monologued enough. not sure im gonna do anything else, you all have the floor

i have an interview in about 10 hours so im slep

glgl

[nebjiamn]

im not convinced on benneh and to an extent sunbae

benneh idk we have pretty similar reads which makes me hesitant but i havent really vibed with any of his takes even when we agree (eg he w reads ladd for pushing villagers and lists 2-3 names but ignores that ladds main push d1 was me and doesnt account for this anywhere in his world building) and his ender push was kinda eh

sunbae's just off in narnia and idk how to read into it

idt you were ladd's main push d1, i would say it was sheep/knights, you were a side dish when the thread stagnated a bit. at least that's how i read things. ladd can feel free to clarify ig

and i've factored that in, but i don't have a strong village read on you so idt its fair or charitable for me to suggest you are also a reason ladd is a wolf in that world view when i know me/sheep are villagers, knights is likely one, but my confidence on you being one is pretty shaky at best. i could easily have things inverted between you/ladd so /shrug

[nebjiamn]

nah he claimed to have not used his action last night and jan was inverted

bop was inverter imo

bop claimed vt fwiw

id imagine inverter is still out there

[nebjiamn]

idrg the hate on my ender push

dude was wolfy and he was a PR so i'm validated :hmmyes:

[Dolby]

idrg the hate on my ender push

dude was wolfy and he was a PR so i'm validated :hmmyes:

he towning or wolfing?

[Gemma]

like on one level some of sunbae's takes are so far left field that i sort of struggle to see them being real and worry that i'm conditioned by having seen too many insane takes to think that villas really can just think anything no matter how ridiculous and backwards it is

i also havent put in the effort to really read through their reads and see if theres any kind of internal consistency or whatever

so im just kinda shrugging at them

and idk i sorta find it hard to believe that our poe is entirely correct (tbh i'll be relieved if even 1 of ladd/wisdom/maple are a hit) and i cant help but be paranoid about worlds where slots like benneh and sunbae are just sorta sitting back and playing for d6

[nebjiamn]

he towning or wolfing?

i dont actually know anymore. selfishly i want to say wolf but him being clear is also cool and helpful. i did think his flurry today was villagey but idk who i would be misclearing in that scenario

like on one level some of sunbae's takes are so far left field that i sort of struggle to see them being real and worry that i'm conditioned by having seen too many insane takes to think that villas really can just think anything no matter how ridiculous and backwards it is

i also havent put in the effort to really read through their reads and see if theres any kind of internal consistency or whatever

so im just kinda shrugging at them

and idk i sorta find it hard to believe that our poe is entirely correct (tbh i'll be relieved if even 1 of ladd/wisdom/maple are a hit) and i cant help but be paranoid about worlds where slots like benneh and sunbae are just sorta sitting back and playing for d6

which ones

[Gemma]

idrg the hate on my ender push

dude was wolfy and he was a PR so i'm validated :hmmyes:

i think its partly cause i feel like your take couldve been more nuanced than just his posts squick u given ur experience w/ him, also i didnt rly agree with u, also i think im just baseline sus of ender pushes lhf etc

[Gemma]

which ones

sort of all game tbh, mostly recently the insom/benneh/gemma team

[Gemma]

ordered my thoughts a bit more

0 wolves
dya
grr
insom

prob v
nee
dolby

prob v no fear
vanta
ender

sorta v but def at least 1 wolf in here imo
benneh
sunbae
monty
jan

sorta w
wisdom
ladd
maple