Tarot Mafia

[Maple]

I am fairly confident gemma is villa.
I have nothing to quote on the matter.

not w/w with syn or something

[nebjiamn]

last thoughts:

i think if wisdom/maple are w/w, wisdom has the more useful power tonight. maple would def be able to post better here as a wolf to swing the lunch if need be

I find really hard to believe wisdom v and maple w worlds cause i really dont get what manti is doing here in this scenario

v/v we are probably fucked

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yea i pondered that earlier. i think i was a bit thrown by how d2 played out and manti wanting one more day but that doesnt align with how they are playing today cause wisdom is like... trying and manti isnt?

if jan is real it shouldn't really matter since if they are w/w he can jail the other but im down to swap in case of shenanigans of some sort

im swamped at work so idk how realistic it is for me to make it back for eod again. sorry

vote: wisdom

[nebjiamn]

yea i pondered that earlier. i think i was a bit thrown by how d2 played out and manti wanting one more day but that doesnt align with how they are playing today cause wisdom is like... trying and manti isnt?

if jan is real it shouldn't really matter since if they are w/w he can jail the other but im down to swap in case of shenanigans of some sort

im swamped at work so idk how realistic it is for me to make it back for eod again. sorry

vote: wisdom

inb4 they are odd and even night vig respectively

[dyachei]

mont, no offense but your manti read means very little to me. You keep quoting a game that happened years ago and I've played more recent games with manti than that and have a wider array of games to sort meta from.

so you keep on thinking 1 game in 2021 is all the meta you need. I don't need to reread it. Manti might even be a wolf. But not for the reasons people are pushing him for.

[dyachei]

vote: wisdom

[grr]

last thoughts:

i think if wisdom/maple are w/w, wisdom has the more useful power tonight. maple would def be able to post better here as a wolf to swing the lunch if need be

I find really hard to believe wisdom v and maple w worlds cause i really dont get what manti is doing here in this scenario

v/v we are probably fucked

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maple is posting, wisdom isnt posting at all. i dont think maple is posting in a way that makes more people want to vote them? it's kinda lame but like, how do you even post if u want more votes, when your cw isnt around at all lol. surprised u are very confident wisdom is a wolf but havent found associatives or anything (and no i have no clue if you do that usually xD) ur assuming jan is real, you assumed you might be KPed, honestly kinda wondering where you legacy is for a w/v flip or whatever rofl. xD

[Maple]

grr on i think d1 you brought up the recent game where we were both wolves. Why havent you referenced it again to solve me in this position? When the situation w!me was in isn't *too* different.

We won that game off of me getting bussed, after all.

[ladd]

surprised u are very confident wisdom is a wolf but havent found associatives or anything (and no i have no clue if you do that usually xD) ur assuming jan is real, you assumed you might be KPed, honestly kinda wondering where you legacy is for a w/v flip or whatever rofl. xD

i doubt i am dying and if so my plan was to leave jan my legacy (tho I realize he will probably die tonight lol but at least we will have a fun chat)

my associative stop at "i'd kill knights after wisdom" atm

my legacy is this

dont kill until lylo - should be pure

ladd
insomnia
grr
gemma
jan
dya
dolby


leaning villa
ender - again plz make them claim tho. always a villager if knights w
vanta - should be v if wisdom w

PoE
monti - I see the villagery posting but also at some point u gotta punish people for posting dumb arguments and he has been pushing some truly nonsensical things
benneh
sunbae
maple

wolves

knights
wisdom



but idrc about people following my legacy, you guis can do what you want after I die. Those are simply my reads

[Montmorency]

so let me get this straight you think we coordinated in wolf chat to ask knights the same question


like really? why would we?

Something to do. You're clearly serious about that knights setup.

mont, no offense but your manti read means very little to me. You keep quoting a game that happened years ago and I've played more recent games with manti than that and have a wider array of games to sort meta from.

so you keep on thinking 1 game in 2021 is all the meta you need. I don't need to reread it. Manti might even be a wolf. But not for the reasons people are pushing him for.

I feel like you have the wrong person. I'm not one of the drivers of the maple wagon.

[ladd]

Something to do. You're clearly serious about that knights setup.

[grr]

i doubt i am dying and if so my plan was to leave jan my legacy (tho I realize he will probably die tonight lol but at least we will have a fun chat)

my associative stop at "i'd kill knights after wisdom" atm

my legacy is this

dont kill until lylo - should be pure

ladd
insomnia
grr
gemma
jan
dya
dolby


leaning villa
ender - again plz make them claim tho. always a villager if knights w
vanta - should be v if wisdom w

PoE
monti - I see the villagery posting but also at some point u gotta punish people for posting dumb arguments and he has been pushing some truly nonsensical things
benneh
sunbae
maple

wolves

knights
wisdom



but idrc about people following my legacy, you guis can do what you want after I die. Those are simply my reads

why would jan jail you if you dont think he is gonna kill u. i have never met monti nor heard of him, but gth him not caring about who dies today as long as you get nuked overnight felt pretty villagery to me rofl. as u said it seems like villagery posting.

[dyachei]

vanta is probably just v. I can't see a wolf hedging their bets on my alignment right now. I think being this hesitant to do more than lean me v is villagery

[grr]

grr on i think d1 you brought up the recent game where we were both wolves. Why havent you referenced it again to solve me in this position? When the situation w!me was in isn't *too* different.

We won that game off of me getting bussed, after all.

@Maple

It was a 2hr phase when I was alr pretty tired (like now btw), just didn't pay much attention to remember much of it. On later days what I noticed is that you tried to be more serious have more... um... likeable? posts as you did as a villager, i registered that as a potential subtle tell. Now you roll in here and... qu
ite frankly you just post like a normal player and I have never seen that so I will just say I cant do any meta? lol

i gth think your posting is kinda villagery some of your posts your posts just seem kinda silly in a v way to me, but your claim is wtf its frying my brain. i am not voting u cuz i am voting someone who I think I can sort and I think they are a wolf based on what I explained earlier wrt to interactions with ladd.

but also you commited a war crime in saying you self-resolve and then dont so if u wanna force me to actually be true to myself i should vote u again lol.

(and also like, im sorry but literally every dead villager wanted u dead, i'd have to be super convinced to fight for anything here, and i'm not. i just think gth u flip villa and im like not gunna be surprised lol, thats my take, shrug)

[grr]

the thing that is currently gnawing at me is that ben and ladd have been pretty much in lockstep today wrt wisdom. they both brought the same argument as to why wisdoms claim is fake (~Wisdom did it before on MU (why that info popped up rn for both at a similar time: no idea?)) and they're both explaining how wisdom is trying more (the last thing i disagree with cuz, as i said, wisdom aint even posting rofl), so. The fact they have a synchronised opinion on something I don't even see is weird af.

[Maple]

Something to do. You're clearly serious about that knights setup.



I feel like you have the wrong person. I'm not one of the drivers of the maple wagon.

I hate this post

[Jan]

the thing that is currently gnawing at me is that ben and ladd have been pretty much in lockstep today wrt wisdom. they both brought the same argument as to why wisdoms claim is fake (~Wisdom did it before on MU (why that info popped up rn for both at a similar time: no idea?)) and they're both explaining how wisdom is trying more (the last thing i disagree with cuz, as i said, wisdom aint even posting rofl), so. The fact they have a synchronised opinion on something I don't even see is weird af.

it would be bad but if we think it outs the two of them then we hopefully still can turn it around?
I did not do numbers tbh.

[Jan]

it would be bad but if we think it outs the two of them then we hopefully still can turn it around?
I did not do numbers tbh.

numbers actually become really prolematic close if we miss on both wisdom and maple.

[Maple]

i think the funniest thing that could have happened is if i was given bombhands causing arctic to die

imagine?

[grr]

i think the funniest thing that could have happened is if i was given bombhands causing arctic to die

imagine?

So. Something to think about for you. Why do you think two widely not-really-trusted slots ladd and benneh push to save you this day. I dont know your alignment but you do so I assume you should have a stronger opinion lol.

[grr]

it would be bad but if we think it outs the two of them then we hopefully still can turn it around?
I did not do numbers tbh.

i mean why do you even immediately think it'd make both of them outed?

[Maple]

So. Something to think about for you. Why do you think two widely not-really-trusted slots ladd and benneh push to save you this day. I dont know your alignment but you do so I assume you should have a stronger opinion lol.

just operating under the assumption theyre both v for this thought

ladd would save me because he knows me better than average and would have a bad feeling about the way my wagon is going and therefore want to resolve elsewhere first

ben im not sure, could be something similar or rather in the realm of "maple would try harder to not die as w in this position" which is probably true

that's my guess, anyway

if either are w, it's just saving me to be killed in a later day and not resolving me while we have a free ML today. that said, my role is unblockable so *ideally* if i live today, my role becoming confirmed gets people to turn around on my alignment, we'll see

something like that

[Maple]

frankly, in my position i can't afford to be *totally* reasonable

the people trying to kill me *must* be wolves, the people trying to save me *must* be villagers

Because that scenario is the only one in which i can *do* anything of substance. If that ends up not being the case, either I die or i have to deal with it later.

My position feels forced, in that way

all that said, most of my reads survive despite this sorta stuff, to be fair; the villgaers, i mean

[grr]

vanta is probably just v. I can't see a wolf hedging their bets on my alignment right now. I think being this hesitant to do more than lean me v is villagery

players who mysteriously got elevated into v-tiers and I do not know why (frankly it might have been becuz I just MISSED it, but I felt I just remembered some "posted well" arguments that i didnt NECESSARILY understand):

Jan
Dolby
Gemma (Maple explained something about not w/w with syn but uh i didnt follow ig)

Player who gets townread by everyone for uhhh. idk what reasons but idgi: Sunbae (he himself complained about being nullread or something. yea sure that is fair enough, maybe he is just NULLbinned by everyone but it still solidly keeps him from dying lol. And yes he did some solving. I read it where I saw it (no idea how he became top poster tho cuz I barely remember his impact)

points of confusion. (this is something i could probably research alas its really tiring to do so here, unfortunately)

[Dolby]

Maple who do you think are the wolves pushing you?

Who would you vote rn if given sole control?

Who do you think is most likely to just be wrong on you?

Im kinda just viewing your most recent posts as abstractions

Im assuming that ladd and benneh are both moving up from bottom section of your reads to townreads, what does this mean for the game, and wisdom who is basically in the lead right now?

I am especially interested in your take on wisdom

7 posts left

[Jan]

i mean why do you even immediately think it'd make both of them outed?

it doesn't but numbers and poe make it very likely.

plus I am assuming worst worlds in that construct anyway.

[grr]

just operating under the assumption theyre both v for this thought

ladd would save me because he knows me better than average and would have a bad feeling about the way my wagon is going and therefore want to resolve elsewhere first

ben im not sure, could be something similar or rather in the realm of "maple would try harder to not die as w in this position" which is probably true

that's my guess, anyway

if either are w, it's just saving me to be killed in a later day and not resolving me while we have a free ML today. that said, my role is unblockable so *ideally* if i live today, my role becoming confirmed gets people to turn around on my alignment, we'll see

something like that

eh ladd is just selling wisdom as confident wolf and didnt even really offer a read on you.
iirc correctly benneh is just saying you are both wolves (or something) and wisdom more important power which, uh. yeah idk. so like, if they are villas none of them would have been actually village reading u lol.

so ig if u are a villager the second option sounds even more likely considering theyre not really trying to save you as a VILLAGER, which means they will probably be back on your ass. but then as wolves, they should be kinda worried about your powerrole so im not sure if it completely makes sense either to keep you alive for a day, when wisdoms role would be doing nothing compared to yours.

[Dolby]

sunbae did get nullbinned by me at least IH. thats kinda why sunbae is a slot of interest to me since me not scumreading Ender anymore means I have to find a fourth wolf

6 left

[grr]

just a fair warning: i am european. next hours till EoD are 11pm-3am. it's past my usual bedtime. I might be around then, *somewhat*. There is a heavy storm going on too rn so i need to look after some things.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Wisdom 6 (Gemma, Ladd, grr, EnderWiggin, nebjiamn, dyachei)
Maple 3 (insomnia, Wisdom, Dolby)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
Ladd 1 (Montmorency)

[Wisdom]

Sorry about today's overall absence. Getting back from vacation both nuked more focus and stole more time than I expected.

Getting misyeeted here is the norm but I've been even more disconnected than usually this game, that's on me. I do think both Maple and Gemma are wolves but maybe I've been too stubborn on Gemma since I know her flipping wolf is the easiest way to town clear me.

Here’s my legacy, in case I die.

Town (0 wolves)
Dya

Town lean (0-1 wolves)
Jan
Dolby
Grr
Insomnia

No idea (0-2 wolves)
Benneh
Ender
Sunbae
Knights
Monte

Wolf lean (0-2 wolves)
Vanta
Ladd

Wolf lean (1-2 wolves)
Gemma
Maple

Stay hyped and hydrated, good night <3