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Originally Posted by dyachei:
Yes and I have before.
But they were talking about and explaining a read I had civilly and without snark. That's the best you can expect from me
well that's just sillyYes and I have before.
But they were talking about and explaining a read I had civilly and without snark. That's the best you can expect from me
who are IH and IAWY in this game?
there's enough alts in this game that I need a freaking decoder ring for some of these posts
there's enough alts in this game that I need a freaking decoder ring for some of these posts
Anyway
I'm pleased to inform yall that I have no village reads.
I'm pleased to inform yall that I have no village reads.
Originally Posted by Newcomb:
who are IH and IAWY in this game?
there's enough alts in this game that I need a freaking decoder ring for some of these posts
Ih is grrwho are IH and IAWY in this game?
there's enough alts in this game that I need a freaking decoder ring for some of these posts
Idk if iawy is in?
is it just me or does the website automatically removing nested quotes make it an infinite amount harder to refer to what you are actually talking about. i feel like you quote something and the original context immediately gets stripped off from the quote, it's bothering me lol.
Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee:
Dya still wolfy. The way she interacted with me and Ladd was super weird, and she hasn’t done basically anything solving wise, and her tone is pretty lifeless. 10/10 would kill.
Gonna wait and see on raskol, seems like they’re a well known player here, and we’ve never played together so I’m not gonna jump the gun on my read there. Think their read of me is silly but whatever. I get that Benneh is a strong player and people have the #fear.
Grr had a villagery post earlier (I think Ladd quoted it? I just remember he called me village and I liked the reasoning)
Ladd keeps pointing out posts I think are villagers so maybe I’m wrong there idk.
Jan feels wolfy to me. Vibes/tone/not having a read on me is weird, he almost always interacts with me/thinks I’m an easy read when he is a villager, seems off.
well he did say he thinks he should have a read on you but doesn't, i'm surprised you aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt for recognizing that lol. if he's a wolf and knows he should have a read on you couldn't he just make something up. maybe it's more genuine that he hasn'tDya still wolfy. The way she interacted with me and Ladd was super weird, and she hasn’t done basically anything solving wise, and her tone is pretty lifeless. 10/10 would kill.
Gonna wait and see on raskol, seems like they’re a well known player here, and we’ve never played together so I’m not gonna jump the gun on my read there. Think their read of me is silly but whatever. I get that Benneh is a strong player and people have the #fear.
Grr had a villagery post earlier (I think Ladd quoted it? I just remember he called me village and I liked the reasoning)
Ladd keeps pointing out posts I think are villagers so maybe I’m wrong there idk.
Jan feels wolfy to me. Vibes/tone/not having a read on me is weird, he almost always interacts with me/thinks I’m an easy read when he is a villager, seems off.
Originally Posted by Newcomb:
holy fuck I forgot about babydik, what an elite moment
I'm not gonna make it a thing but I think your sunbae read is soft. From my POV Sunbae is an elite wolf and his best skill is being able to put out casual, reasonable sounding posts in his sleep. Like literally nothing he's posted is remotely out of his wolfrange IMO. Granted i'm working with relatively old meta at this point.
I'm giving manti a daypass for the "first six words" post, that was slick
I don't really get the artic read. I mean I get the 'said something I thought = more likely village', sure. You're giving points for going all over explainy though? Why?
me saying someone is likely a villager does not mean that someone is out of their wolfrange. holy fuck I forgot about babydik, what an elite moment
I'm not gonna make it a thing but I think your sunbae read is soft. From my POV Sunbae is an elite wolf and his best skill is being able to put out casual, reasonable sounding posts in his sleep. Like literally nothing he's posted is remotely out of his wolfrange IMO. Granted i'm working with relatively old meta at this point.
I'm giving manti a daypass for the "first six words" post, that was slick
I don't really get the artic read. I mean I get the 'said something I thought = more likely village', sure. You're giving points for going all over explainy though? Why?
as for arctic, as i said in that original post, if you want more than "because my gut fells so" then dont ask
Originally Posted by Newcomb:
holy fuck I forgot about babydik, what an elite moment
I'm not gonna make it a thing but I think your sunbae read is soft. From my POV Sunbae is an elite wolf and his best skill is being able to put out casual, reasonable sounding posts in his sleep. Like literally nothing he's posted is remotely out of his wolfrange IMO. Granted i'm working with relatively old meta at this point.
I'm giving manti a daypass for the "first six words" post, that was slick
I don't really get the artic read. I mean I get the 'said something I thought = more likely village', sure. You're giving points for going all over explainy though? Why?
I'm operating that all wolves are as washed as I am.holy fuck I forgot about babydik, what an elite moment
I'm not gonna make it a thing but I think your sunbae read is soft. From my POV Sunbae is an elite wolf and his best skill is being able to put out casual, reasonable sounding posts in his sleep. Like literally nothing he's posted is remotely out of his wolfrange IMO. Granted i'm working with relatively old meta at this point.
I'm giving manti a daypass for the "first six words" post, that was slick
I don't really get the artic read. I mean I get the 'said something I thought = more likely village', sure. You're giving points for going all over explainy though? Why?
This game should be easy.
I mean its fine, if me being weird is the best mispush wolves can come up with they're really gonna struggle tomorrow. I'd just rather be actually pushed than merely be shaded.
gn for real it got way too late.
Originally Posted by Arctic:
well he did say he thinks he should have a read on you but doesn't, i'm surprised you aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt for recognizing that lol. if he's a wolf and knows he should have a read on you couldn't he just make something up. maybe it's more genuine that he hasn't
Jan makes those sorts of comments regularly. Keeping track of when he feels he should reads on people and when he shouldn't.well he did say he thinks he should have a read on you but doesn't, i'm surprised you aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt for recognizing that lol. if he's a wolf and knows he should have a read on you couldn't he just make something up. maybe it's more genuine that he hasn't
Or maybe he just talks about me in that way usually, who knows.
Originally Posted by Newcomb:
who are IH and IAWY in this game?
there's enough alts in this game that I need a freaking decoder ring for some of these posts
IH is InstantHammer on MU and Grrr here. InAWordYes is a player who does that kind of case a lot ("I don't remember any of this slot reads so he might be just a wolf"), and it's particular enough that I thought Grrr was getting that idea from him. (won't start a debate if it's a good read or not lol). who are IH and IAWY in this game?
there's enough alts in this game that I need a freaking decoder ring for some of these posts
Anyway, I think I am buying what Grrr is saying about it (see his last post), so I am moving on myself (till Maple comes back to it
)Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm:
me saying someone is likely a villager does not mean that someone is out of their wolfrange.
as for arctic, as i said in that original post, if you want more than "because my gut fells so" then dont ask
also i can just be wrongme saying someone is likely a villager does not mean that someone is out of their wolfrange.
as for arctic, as i said in that original post, if you want more than "because my gut fells so" then dont ask
just ask baudib in anniversary when he told me i should just go back to retirement next time i think about playing in dvc
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
I might not have played a ton of games recently but I have railed some from the shadows and like, idk, I feel like people expect out of dya that dya just doesn't ever really actually do and then when they don't see they just shadeshadeshade and then dya gets on the defensive a bit and then because dya has been shaded when they start dropping reads people just throw their hands up a bit and go "oh shucks im not sure what to make out of all this ill just focus elsewhere for a bit" and then they and their reads just kinda sit in their own untouched universe for a couple game days
and like, idk, i read dyas posts and they seem like an obvious villager and id like to try to prevent that from happening here?
what posts make them seem like an obvious villager thenI might not have played a ton of games recently but I have railed some from the shadows and like, idk, I feel like people expect
and like, idk, i read dyas posts and they seem like an obvious villager and id like to try to prevent that from happening here?
Originally Posted by grr:
is it just me or does the website automatically removing nested quotes make it an infinite amount harder to refer to what you are actually talking about. i feel like you quote something and the original context immediately gets stripped off from the quote, it's bothering me lol.
yeah, u get only the last quote, no encapsulation (unlike MU)is it just me or does the website automatically removing nested quotes make it an infinite amount harder to refer to what you are actually talking about. i feel like you quote something and the original context immediately gets stripped off from the quote, it's bothering me lol.
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
IH is InstantHammer on MU and Grrr here. InAWordYes is a player who does that kind of case a lot ("I don't remember any of this slot reads so he might be just a wolf"), and it's particular enough that I thought Grrr was getting that idea from him. (won't start a debate if it's a good read or not lol).
Anyway, I think I am buying what Grrr is saying about it (see his last post), so I am moving on myself (till Maple comes back to it)
I'm dropping it until 15 minutes before EoD, as is traditionIH is InstantHammer on MU and Grrr here. InAWordYes is a player who does that kind of case a lot ("I don't remember any of this slot reads so he might be just a wolf"), and it's particular enough that I thought Grrr was getting that idea from him. (won't start a debate if it's a good read or not lol).
Anyway, I think I am buying what Grrr is saying about it (see his last post), so I am moving on myself (till Maple comes back to it
)Romanaskolnikov
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm:
me saying someone is likely a villager does not mean that someone is out of their wolfrange.
as for arctic, as i said in that original post, if you want more than "because my gut fells so" then dont ask
me saying someone is likely a villager does not mean that someone is out of their wolfrange.
as for arctic, as i said in that original post, if you want more than "because my gut fells so" then dont ask
i might have just convinced myself to go on a wolf tunnel on knights, one second, checking something
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
fwiw im pretty sure maple is a villager too? this is the type of latch on i always find v towny
i strongly disagreefwiw im pretty sure maple is a villager too? this is the type of latch on i always find v towny
i think he is making a big deal over something that amounts to basically nothing
IH also made a decent point that he constantly misreads him but hasn't tried to course correct here, and also saw his wolfgame where he got outted immediately and doesn't seem to factor that in at all
on the whole i also just think maple's focus has been not good. i think it's easy for a wolf to focus on real time and point out logical inconsistencies but i don't really feel like maple is trying to solve the game or forming a worldview, just kinda nitpicking at random stuff (they were doing this earlier about something else and complaining about the wallposts)
Originally Posted by Maple:
I'm downgrading from "I'm just going to kill the slot" to "that was a weird post"
this is an improvement at leastI'm downgrading from "I'm just going to kill the slot" to "that was a weird post"
Originally Posted by didistetter:
translation: they have a "im too cool for this" attitude
thats the last way i expected anyone to describe me lmaotranslation: they have a "im too cool for this" attitude
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm:
i might have just convinced myself to go on a wolf tunnel on knights, one second, checking something
GH/knights were both wolves in anni; i originally thought the post where he said "if this is GH then he's >rand a wolf because he had a similar opening in anniversary. I thought it was worded differently more like "GH had a wolfy opening in anni" and if that was the case i was going to call bullshit on that read but turns out thats not the case. i might have just convinced myself to go on a wolf tunnel on knights, one second, checking something
I think there might be something to him being a wolf with GH and trying to use that here as a villa that doesnt quite jive but i can't really articulate why I don't like it so im not gonna push it more, for now, in italics.
bop probably villagin'
Wish I was a wolf so I could make "dabbing on the retirement home" comments in post
main things that stood out to me on catchup
- dya's point about ladd being town for.. pushing knights as hard as he was seems a little fake to me esp cuz he wasn't even going that hard lol. if anything the read that he wouldn't be going "this hard" as a wolf feels more likely to come from TMI on knights being town and the knowledge that it'd be a bad look, esp considering dya doesn't seem to even townread knights
- benneh's read on IH being a free villa find also seemed kinda fishy given what IH had actually posted at the time, and i don't really buy his explanation in #345 either. IH has a particular style of posting and tends to polarize himself early on and wolves are pretty prone to TMI'ing him because he makes a lot of introspective/tonally towny posts that wolves think are more villagery than villagers (who don't know his alignment) do. and like, i think there's a chance that's what happened here from benneh cuz he just.. wasn't villagery at least at the time of those posts. and IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation
- that said i do think IH is town now (based on posts after this point, tbc) - mainly cuz i believe him being happy over this game (and he probably wouldn't be had he randed wolf in a super strong PL) and the explanation of sheeps/knight stuff. also unironically he probably would have just left the thread by now as wolf. he said he was gonna go a while ago but stayed which is towny by default but esp for people who don't like wolfing
- syn has now done some things differently to their last wolf game like posting a full read list and pushing on.. more than one person. but frankly this doesn't really seem like a great reason to townread someone because it's a pretty low bar, and i don't know if other non-alignment things were affecting last game's posting to cause a false-positive there and potentially a false-negative here. but still feels worth pointing out. the read list itself feels kind of insane. maybe too insane for a wolf. dunno. rask seems to agree and he caught syn last game, don't really have a read on rask rn either but how early the read came makes me feel like even if rask is a wolf it's more likely to be TMI on a villager rather than on a partner, so i'm fine sheeping it either way lol
- gemma is in a weird spot for me because somehow her posts feel more useless than the wolfgame she had where she at least attempted to make/explain reads to look towny. i'm not sure how to feel about this - did they just rand wolf again and don't give a fuck? or are they also just like this as town. will probably help if someone with more experience weighs in here
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eh, i vaguely don't think wolf!dya pushes on benneh regardless of benneh's alignment. also think the reasoning "expected him to be more excited about playing a long game with sunbae" seems quirky enough to be a town thought
not confident here but my understanding of the dynamic between those two is that they'd always just pocket each other as wolf at least from seeing turbos lol. not sure benneh has enough pressure here to justify wolf!dya losing the chance to establish a rapport with benneh. my earlier gripe still stands but i think this is probably more significant - i remember wrongly scumreadnig dya for making an early overly generous townread last game so shrug
someone reminded me about the manti 6 word thing and i'll cede that it felt villagery at the time, but i still want to see some kind of worldview from them
- dya's point about ladd being town for.. pushing knights as hard as he was seems a little fake to me esp cuz he wasn't even going that hard lol. if anything the read that he wouldn't be going "this hard" as a wolf feels more likely to come from TMI on knights being town and the knowledge that it'd be a bad look, esp considering dya doesn't seem to even townread knights
- benneh's read on IH being a free villa find also seemed kinda fishy given what IH had actually posted at the time, and i don't really buy his explanation in #345 either. IH has a particular style of posting and tends to polarize himself early on and wolves are pretty prone to TMI'ing him because he makes a lot of introspective/tonally towny posts that wolves think are more villagery than villagers (who don't know his alignment) do. and like, i think there's a chance that's what happened here from benneh cuz he just.. wasn't villagery at least at the time of those posts. and IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation
- that said i do think IH is town now (based on posts after this point, tbc) - mainly cuz i believe him being happy over this game (and he probably wouldn't be had he randed wolf in a super strong PL) and the explanation of sheeps/knight stuff. also unironically he probably would have just left the thread by now as wolf. he said he was gonna go a while ago but stayed which is towny by default but esp for people who don't like wolfing
- syn has now done some things differently to their last wolf game like posting a full read list and pushing on.. more than one person. but frankly this doesn't really seem like a great reason to townread someone because it's a pretty low bar, and i don't know if other non-alignment things were affecting last game's posting to cause a false-positive there and potentially a false-negative here. but still feels worth pointing out. the read list itself feels kind of insane. maybe too insane for a wolf. dunno. rask seems to agree and he caught syn last game, don't really have a read on rask rn either but how early the read came makes me feel like even if rask is a wolf it's more likely to be TMI on a villager rather than on a partner, so i'm fine sheeping it either way lol
- gemma is in a weird spot for me because somehow her posts feel more useless than the wolfgame she had where she at least attempted to make/explain reads to look towny. i'm not sure how to feel about this - did they just rand wolf again and don't give a fuck? or are they also just like this as town. will probably help if someone with more experience weighs in here
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eh, i vaguely don't think wolf!dya pushes on benneh regardless of benneh's alignment. also think the reasoning "expected him to be more excited about playing a long game with sunbae" seems quirky enough to be a town thought
not confident here but my understanding of the dynamic between those two is that they'd always just pocket each other as wolf at least from seeing turbos lol. not sure benneh has enough pressure here to justify wolf!dya losing the chance to establish a rapport with benneh. my earlier gripe still stands but i think this is probably more significant - i remember wrongly scumreadnig dya for making an early overly generous townread last game so shrug
someone reminded me about the manti 6 word thing and i'll cede that it felt villagery at the time, but i still want to see some kind of worldview from them
Originally Posted by Arctic:
i strongly disagree
i think he is making a big deal over something that amounts to basically nothing
IH also made a decent point that he constantly misreads him but hasn't tried to course correct here, and also saw his wolfgame where he got outted immediately and doesn't seem to factor that in at all
on the whole i also just think maple's focus has been not good. i think it's easy for a wolf to focus on real time and point out logical inconsistencies but i don't really feel like maple is trying to solve the game or forming a worldview, just kinda nitpicking at random stuff (they were doing this earlier about something else and complaining about the wallposts)
I'd agree with this; not the first bit - I think there's plenty of reasons for villagers to keep beating their heads against the wall even after misreading people. Villager doesn't mean rational or logical, it just means uninformed.i strongly disagree
i think he is making a big deal over something that amounts to basically nothing
IH also made a decent point that he constantly misreads him but hasn't tried to course correct here, and also saw his wolfgame where he got outted immediately and doesn't seem to factor that in at all
on the whole i also just think maple's focus has been not good. i think it's easy for a wolf to focus on real time and point out logical inconsistencies but i don't really feel like maple is trying to solve the game or forming a worldview, just kinda nitpicking at random stuff (they were doing this earlier about something else and complaining about the wallposts)
Pointing out logical inconsistencies is where I start to nod my head. Like yeah I can skim over manti's posts over the last few pages and rationally kinda get what he's getting at or picking at, even can picture v!manti getting hung up on it. But I do think there's kind of a performative aspect to it and it's kind of an easy route for a wolf to take.
Originally Posted by Arctic:
main things that stood out to me on catchup
- dya's point about ladd being town for.. pushing knights as hard as he was seems a little fake to me esp cuz he wasn't even going that hard lol. if anything the read that he wouldn't be going "this hard" as a wolf feels more likely to come from TMI on knights being town and the knowledge that it'd be a bad look, esp considering dya doesn't seem to even townread knights
- benneh's read on IH being a free villa find also seemed kinda fishy given what IH had actually posted at the time, and i don't really buy his explanation in #345 either. IH has a particular style of posting and tends to polarize himself early on and wolves are pretty prone to TMI'ing him because he makes a lot of introspective/tonally towny posts that wolves think are more villagery than villagers (who don't know his alignment) do. and like, i think there's a chance that's what happened here from benneh cuz he just.. wasn't villagery at least at the time of those posts. and IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation
- that said i do think IH is town now (based on posts after this point, tbc) - mainly cuz i believe him being happy over this game (and he probably wouldn't be had he randed wolf in a super strong PL) and the explanation of sheeps/knight stuff. also unironically he probably would have just left the thread by now as wolf. he said he was gonna go a while ago but stayed which is towny by default but esp for people who don't like wolfing
- syn has now done some things differently to their last wolf game like posting a full read list and pushing on.. more than one person. but frankly this doesn't really seem like a great reason to townread someone because it's a pretty low bar, and i don't know if other non-alignment things were affecting last game's posting to cause a false-positive there and potentially a false-negative here. but still feels worth pointing out. the read list itself feels kind of insane. maybe too insane for a wolf. dunno. rask seems to agree and he caught syn last game, don't really have a read on rask rn either but how early the read came makes me feel like even if rask is a wolf it's more likely to be TMI on a villager rather than on a partner, so i'm fine sheeping it either way lol
- gemma is in a weird spot for me because somehow her posts feel more useless than the wolfgame she had where she at least attempted to make/explain reads to look towny. i'm not sure how to feel about this - did they just rand wolf again and don't give a fuck? or are they also just like this as town. will probably help if someone with more experience weighs in here
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eh, i vaguely don't think wolf!dya pushes on benneh regardless of benneh's alignment. also think the reasoning "expected him to be more excited about playing a long game with sunbae" seems quirky enough to be a town thought
not confident here but my understanding of the dynamic between those two is that they'd always just pocket each other as wolf at least from seeing turbos lol. not sure benneh has enough pressure here to justify wolf!dya losing the chance to establish a rapport with benneh. my earlier gripe still stands but i think this is probably more significant - i remember wrongly scumreadnig dya for making an early overly generous townread last game so shrug
someone reminded me about the manti 6 word thing and i'll cede that it felt villagery at the time, but i still want to see some kind of worldview from them
ben and i dont typically pocket each other as wolves. not really anyway. we typically slowly sus each other or solve with each other (when v/v more often)main things that stood out to me on catchup
- dya's point about ladd being town for.. pushing knights as hard as he was seems a little fake to me esp cuz he wasn't even going that hard lol. if anything the read that he wouldn't be going "this hard" as a wolf feels more likely to come from TMI on knights being town and the knowledge that it'd be a bad look, esp considering dya doesn't seem to even townread knights
- benneh's read on IH being a free villa find also seemed kinda fishy given what IH had actually posted at the time, and i don't really buy his explanation in #345 either. IH has a particular style of posting and tends to polarize himself early on and wolves are pretty prone to TMI'ing him because he makes a lot of introspective/tonally towny posts that wolves think are more villagery than villagers (who don't know his alignment) do. and like, i think there's a chance that's what happened here from benneh cuz he just.. wasn't villagery at least at the time of those posts. and IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation
- that said i do think IH is town now (based on posts after this point, tbc) - mainly cuz i believe him being happy over this game (and he probably wouldn't be had he randed wolf in a super strong PL) and the explanation of sheeps/knight stuff. also unironically he probably would have just left the thread by now as wolf. he said he was gonna go a while ago but stayed which is towny by default but esp for people who don't like wolfing
- syn has now done some things differently to their last wolf game like posting a full read list and pushing on.. more than one person. but frankly this doesn't really seem like a great reason to townread someone because it's a pretty low bar, and i don't know if other non-alignment things were affecting last game's posting to cause a false-positive there and potentially a false-negative here. but still feels worth pointing out. the read list itself feels kind of insane. maybe too insane for a wolf. dunno. rask seems to agree and he caught syn last game, don't really have a read on rask rn either but how early the read came makes me feel like even if rask is a wolf it's more likely to be TMI on a villager rather than on a partner, so i'm fine sheeping it either way lol
- gemma is in a weird spot for me because somehow her posts feel more useless than the wolfgame she had where she at least attempted to make/explain reads to look towny. i'm not sure how to feel about this - did they just rand wolf again and don't give a fuck? or are they also just like this as town. will probably help if someone with more experience weighs in here
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eh, i vaguely don't think wolf!dya pushes on benneh regardless of benneh's alignment. also think the reasoning "expected him to be more excited about playing a long game with sunbae" seems quirky enough to be a town thought
not confident here but my understanding of the dynamic between those two is that they'd always just pocket each other as wolf at least from seeing turbos lol. not sure benneh has enough pressure here to justify wolf!dya losing the chance to establish a rapport with benneh. my earlier gripe still stands but i think this is probably more significant - i remember wrongly scumreadnig dya for making an early overly generous townread last game so shrug
someone reminded me about the manti 6 word thing and i'll cede that it felt villagery at the time, but i still want to see some kind of worldview from them
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm:
i might have just convinced myself to go on a wolf tunnel on knights, one second, checking something
i might have just convinced myself to go on a wolf tunnel on knights, one second, checking something
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm:
GH/knights were both wolves in anni; i originally thought the post where he said "if this is GH then he's >rand a wolf because he had a similar opening in anniversary. I thought it was worded differently more like "GH had a wolfy opening in anni" and if that was the case i was going to call bullshit on that read but turns out thats not the case.
I think there might be something to him being a wolf with GH and trying to use that here as a villa that doesnt quite jive but i can't really articulate why I don't like it so im not gonna push it more, for now, in italics.
kinda towny idkGH/knights were both wolves in anni; i originally thought the post where he said "if this is GH then he's >rand a wolf because he had a similar opening in anniversary. I thought it was worded differently more like "GH had a wolfy opening in anni" and if that was the case i was going to call bullshit on that read but turns out thats not the case.
I think there might be something to him being a wolf with GH and trying to use that here as a villa that doesnt quite jive but i can't really articulate why I don't like it so im not gonna push it more, for now, in italics.
I have bad news Arctic I wasted most of today's wim on a dumb misunderstanding. I haven't seen anything else I want to bite into yet.
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