Tarot Mafia

[ColonelLubriderm]

thought on ender?

none right now; ill @ you though tomorrow when that changes

[Dolby]

1. welcome o/
2. why w for gemma?
3. have you fully read thread, or what pool of knowledge ya workin with?

didn't like their posts on the first two pages

my knowledge pool is reading Syn's ISO and I'm chugging along

[insomnia]

i was gonna come in pushing jan but i just realized there's no way a wolf would be so unaware. his whole progression and defence of syn and excuse to save him at EoD by chaining raskol first is just something little to no wolves would do. it's insane if he pulled it off as a wolf

[didistetter]

didn't like their posts on the first two pages

my knowledge pool is reading Syn's ISO and I'm chugging along

gemma unvoted knights (who had been pushing her) eod, despite multiple people in thread scumreading his eod, to build the syn wagon back into viability. she brough syn up to 3 votes to fight the rask wagon, which dya jumped off of and insom/knights then jumped on and made syn lead wagon.

think that movement is a good look.

also frankly it feels like gemma/knights/sheep were a bit of a punching bag slots yesterday, and i think there are like 100000% wolves in the people trying to maintain those wagons and pushes.

part of why i dont like ladd at all btw @dyachei

i wrote a big post explaining my sheep feelings to him and why his sheep treatment was sketchy as f, he thanked it but never responded otherwise, and then he tried to make sheep a counterwagon to syn eod by calling his pop in bad. which it wasnt even

[theknightsofneeee]

i was gonna come in pushing jan but i just realized there's no way a wolf would be so unaware. his whole progression and defence of syn and excuse to save him at EoD by chaining raskol first is just something little to no wolves would do. it's insane if he pulled it off as a wolf

The wagon on syn was pretty abrupt.

And i think you can easily make a case for a world where Jan = wolf, syn = wolf, raskol = villa.

Cause all of his defense of syn mostly led through saying we should trust raskol’s read on syn or we should lynch raskol first before syn because he’s never wrong on syn.

Just felt like a wolf trying to pair a villa with a wolf bro for an easy mis lunch later.



I’m obviously possibly tunneled on Jan, so take this with a grain of salt, but their interactions from syn’s side felt hella awkward

[dyachei]

gemma unvoted knights (who had been pushing her) eod, despite multiple people in thread scumreading his eod, to build the syn wagon back into viability. she brough syn up to 3 votes to fight the rask wagon, which dya jumped off of and insom/knights then jumped on and made syn lead wagon.

think that movement is a good look.

also frankly it feels like gemma/knights/sheep were a bit of a punching bag slots yesterday, and i think there are like 100000% wolves in the people trying to maintain those wagons and pushes.

part of why i dont like ladd at all btw @dyachei

i wrote a big post explaining my sheep feelings to him and why his sheep treatment was sketchy as f, he thanked it but never responded otherwise, and then he tried to make sheep a counterwagon to syn eod by calling his pop in bad. which it wasnt even

i dont think not responding in a post capped game is a big deal personally

[insomnia]

good thoughts on ladd, if you re-read d1 im sure he pushed a lot of villas

also i spotted he said he'd read syn iso at around a time he was gaining traction and never came back with his conclusion, but instead he responded to a post that was repping a semi-defence of syn, or at least giving benefit of the doubt

[Raskolnikov]

i woulod like to hear general thoughts and opinions from wisdom/gemma/rasko

you know not like this second but in the next 24-36 hours-ish

catching up I was at something like knight/sheep/Maple/Jan/Grrr as immediate POE but like I am prolly going to start over considering my record so far lol. Jan and Grrr being somhow ego reads (and since I am villa I can totally see Jan pushing a counter wagon on me at EOD). Grrr vote record stinks (he also literrally voted me for reading him in good faith lol, prolly sponging Sunbae too but) and he have had some of the most LAMIST post itg so far, but i dunno, his posts are pure. Might still be worth looking into more iyam.

I am gonna have more time toDay too so dw, u will get plenty of thoughts from me :p

[dyachei]

good thoughts on ladd, if you re-read d1 im sure he pushed a lot of villas

also i spotted he said he'd read syn iso at around a time he was gaining traction and never came back with his conclusion, but instead he responded to a post that was repping a semi-defence of syn, or at least giving benefit of the doubt

yeah I'll concede i have more concerns there now than I did reading overnight. was probably confbiasing

[theknightsofneeee]

A Ladd= wolf world is definitely possible, gonna reread his iso today.

Same with sunbae but I saw a post late in the day asking about reads on syn which didn’t feel partner’s? Not super strong feelings on that tho

[insomnia]

The wagon on syn was pretty abrupt.

And i think you can easily make a case for a world where Jan = wolf, syn = wolf, raskol = villa.

Cause all of his defense of syn mostly led through saying we should trust raskol’s read on syn or we should lynch raskol first before syn because he’s never wrong on syn.

Just felt like a wolf trying to pair a villa with a wolf bro for an easy mis lunch later.



I’m obviously possibly tunneled on Jan, so take this with a grain of salt, but their interactions from syn’s side felt hella awkward

jan's progression and defense of syn is just flat out horrible if he's a wolf and because of TMI, I doubt he'd even lay out a progression like that. because it only takes syn to flip for jan to fall down with him, wolves aren't that obvious. they can make up other reasons

this is my thinking

[nebjiamn]

hi

good job yesterday, rip newcomb and ggs sheep

im absolutely spent from the last two days so ill be around tomorrow after i recharge a bit

vote: ender

[didistetter]

i dont think not responding in a post capped game is a big deal personally

i dont think not responding is a big deal, but i think ladd pushing a now flipped town as a cw to maf with minimal reasoning despite people he tr asking him to lay off is weird and fits how i've seen him act as scum my last 2 games with him where we were w/w

[dyachei]

i dont think not responding is a big deal, but i think ladd pushing a now flipped town as a cw to maf with minimal reasoning despite people he tr asking him to lay off is weird and fits how i've seen him act as scum my last 2 games with him where we were w/w

yeah see my next post. You and insom have convinced me to consider him

[nebjiamn]

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benneh. reason: kinda nothing on Syn I think?
Sunbae. reason: same?

this group is priority 2 because im sure they will be looked at anyway

are you looking for clarity on my syn read or just in general on me

if its the former i spent approximately ~15 seconds thinking about them yesterday and it was nothing beyond "they exist"

[theknightsofneeee]

jan's progression and defense of syn is just flat out horrible if he's a wolf and because of TMI, I doubt he'd even lay out a progression like that. because it only takes syn to flip for jan to fall down with him, wolves aren't that obvious. they can make up other reasons

this is my thinking

Ya obviously I’m living in a world where Jan is a wolf and trying to power wolf and save his wolf bro from being cfd’d.

Which isn’t necessarily his play style I’ll grant you.

[insomnia]

hi

good job yesterday, rip newcomb and ggs sheep

im absolutely spent from the last two days so ill be around tomorrow after i recharge a bit

vote: ender

remind me if you ever tried to read ladd yesterday or at least out your read of him to the thread? i don't remember you doing that, but i wanna be sure i just didn't miss it

[theknightsofneeee]

Vote: Jan

[Montmorency]

Syn ISO Early D1:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

P1: Fluff opening, TRed by Gemma. Colonel (CL) susses Gemma for finding Syn's post townier than stetter's.

P2: Syn jokingly SRs CL for posting too much.

P3: Knights trending Syn down for being against CL, still g2h town.

P4: Jan: "The syn villa reads are weird. Syn will be readable and there is no reason to force it this early."

P5: Wisdom shares a song with Syn. Syn responds to Jan from P4 by claiming to be mysterious and unreadable. Syn calls Maple based for SRing sheep off "6 words." Syn asks Wisdom what tapioca is.

P6: Syn discusses song with Wisdom, who tells them about tapioca. Syn wants to vote Sleep, not Sheep (Insomnia?). Gemma banters with Syn over his indirect Maple-Sheep read. Arctic finds Wisdom's music-post directed at Syn "kinda wrong." Rask kinda agrees with Syn about CL SR,

wants to kill CL and Vanta, locks Syn town.

P7: Arctic interrogates Rask over Syn, asks about meta. Rask explains that Syn should be direct and aggressive, elaborates on his own CL and Vanta SLs.

P9: Rask finds Syn OK for now. Newcomb can hardly believe Syn has posted, he's so UTR.

P10: Wisdom hedges on Syn, asks Rask for advice: "I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset." Newcomb asks ladd whom he would dayvig, ladd suggests Syn to be "boring" (sounds like PIS, as this is ladd's first-ever comment on Syn). Ladd goes on to clarify he's not convinced Syn is scum, understands why Rask TRs them, but offers a Syn post that "was out of character for their villa self, but I am not sure how serious it is."

too many poasts. lubriderm wolf

now [Gemma] is someone who knows how to get me from stopping to think they are a wolf.

And it works every tine

not being in discord with you should have been your first clue

All distancing. Syn-ladd-Gemma-Colonel-[REDACTED]/[REDACTED]/[REDACTED] possible. Though I could believe Gemma is just collateral damage with a certain playstyle.

I do suspect ladd's relationship with Syn in this game may turn out to be comparable to his relationship with dya (and Kage?) in Casual December - kind of hedging and avoiding their lhf partner.

Also, he didn't vote all day, though he specifically noted early on that he votes once in late day as a defense mechanism.

Worst of all, I think Syn may have spewed him here (this isn't fully in the ISO yet but it's important enough to note separately).

So, first check the p10 ISO where ladd discusses Syn. Syn objects to this on p13, then posts a full leans list that excludes Montmorency and ladd. But it doesn't just exclude ladd, it mentions Hally instead of him, even though he was just interacting with ladd.

It smacks of very distinct distancing of the kind I've seen from ladd in the aforementioned Casual December game. @Raskolnikov should give this a sanity check.

[nebjiamn]

@didistetter you asked if sunbae is capable of pure tone as maf yesterday


yes, very much so. my method of finding him is seeing how he works / collaborates with others to develop his reads. when he's stubborn or faking the collaboration he's >rand mafia. sometimes its hard to identify that if the already-perceived momentum of the thread allows him to be more collaborative without hurting his teammates but its a good metric in general

i didn't get that feeling yesterday in real time. his engagement and excitement around workig with others felt real. i haven't backread anything yet so this mioght change with insights from yesterday but idk

idk if this is helpful now vs yesterday but ya

[Raskolnikov]

lol woofs killing Newcomb and not didistetter smh (read this as a jokey version of "what u are posting makes a lot of sense rn tx")

[nebjiamn]

remind me if you ever tried to read ladd yesterday or at least out your read of him to the thread? i don't remember you doing that, but i wanna be sure i just didn't miss it

idr if i did but i had a mild v lean on him most of the day

[theknightsofneeee]

@raskol

Can you talk to me about Jan’s treatment of syn and yourself, and specifically about his EOD, and if you think him pushing you over syn is reasonable perspective from villa!jan ?

I’m missing some context around your ability to read syn consistently and it’s help me a lot. :cheers:

[dyachei]

Syn 5 (Newcomb, Gemma, insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter)
Raskolnikov 3 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Theknightsofneeee 2 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov)
Gemma 2 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

i might be the only villager on the sheep wagon. rask wagon needs to be investigated, too. im pretty sure bop is a villager but he's a very good wolf so I won't disrespect him by clearing him

gemma wagon might be pure but she did vote syn in a good manner

[Raskolnikov]

Syn ISO Early D1:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

P1: Fluff opening, TRed by Gemma. Colonel (CL) susses Gemma for finding Syn's post townier than stetter's.

P2: Syn jokingly SRs CL for posting too much.

P3: Knights trending Syn down for being against CL, still g2h town.

P4: Jan: "The syn villa reads are weird. Syn will be readable and there is no reason to force it this early."

P5: Wisdom shares a song with Syn. Syn responds to Jan from P4 by claiming to be mysterious and unreadable. Syn calls Maple based for SRing sheep off "6 words." Syn asks Wisdom what tapioca is.

P6: Syn discusses song with Wisdom, who tells them about tapioca. Syn wants to vote Sleep, not Sheep (Insomnia?). Gemma banters with Syn over his indirect Maple-Sheep read. Arctic finds Wisdom's music-post directed at Syn "kinda wrong." Rask kinda agrees with Syn about CL SR,

wants to kill CL and Vanta, locks Syn town.

P7: Arctic interrogates Rask over Syn, asks about meta. Rask explains that Syn should be direct and aggressive, elaborates on his own CL and Vanta SLs.

P9: Rask finds Syn OK for now. Newcomb can hardly believe Syn has posted, he's so UTR.

P10: Wisdom hedges on Syn, asks Rask for advice: "I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset." Newcomb asks ladd whom he would dayvig, ladd suggests Syn to be "boring" (sounds like PIS, as this is ladd's first-ever comment on Syn). Ladd goes on to clarify he's not convinced Syn is scum, understands why Rask TRs them, but offers a Syn post that "was out of character for their villa self, but I am not sure how serious it is."

All distancing. Syn-ladd-Gemma-Colonel-[REDACTED]/[REDACTED]/[REDACTED] possible. Though I could believe Gemma is just collateral damage with a certain playstyle.

I do suspect ladd's relationship with Syn in this game may turn out to be comparable to his relationship with dya (and Kage?) in Casual December - kind of hedging and avoiding their lhf partner.

Also, he didn't vote all day, though he specifically noted early on that he votes once in late day as a defense mechanism.

Worst of all, I think Syn may have spewed him here (this isn't fully in the ISO yet but it's important enough to note separately).

So, first check the p10 ISO where ladd discusses Syn. Syn objects to this on p13, then posts a full leans list that excludes Montmorency and ladd. But it doesn't just exclude ladd, it mentions Hally instead of him, even though he was just interacting with ladd.

It smacks of very distinct distancing of the kind I've seen from ladd in the aforementioned Casual December game. @Raskolnikov should give this a sanity check.

Ill check that game tmr Monty. (closing 4 am here, I am just here to vibe rn)

[theknightsofneeee]

Syn 5 (Newcomb, Gemma, insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter)
Raskolnikov 3 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Theknightsofneeee 2 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov)
Gemma 2 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

i might be the only villager on the sheep wagon. rask wagon needs to be investigated, too. im pretty sure bop is a villager but he's a very good wolf so I won't disrespect him by clearing him

gemma wagon might be pure but she did vote syn in a good manner

Bop had a good post talking about the syn wagon being pure and my wagon being gross which I think was hella villagery

[Montmorency]

Ill check that game tmr Monty. (closing 4 am here, I am just here to vibe rn)

I had those walls on D3/4 if it helps.

[Raskolnikov]

@raskol

Can you talk to me about Jan’s treatment of syn and yourself, and specifically about his EOD, and if you think him pushing you over syn is reasonable perspective from villa!jan ?

I’m missing some context around your ability to read syn consistently and it’s help me a lot. :cheers:

I think I have (check my posts since SOD) but no not really (I mean it doesn't look reasonnable for v!Jan) and yes I have had a good read on Syn for a while (as either alignment). This game being an exception (or a new trend dunno lol).

What you are saying about Jan feels like a possible world yes (because I am villa and was busy and had that trash D1 read on Syn so I was very viable as a cw at EOD1).

[insomnia]

the more interesting world is sheep/knights v/v and ladd is giga pocketing me btw

just putting it out there that that's a thought that's been rolling around back there.

ladd's said a truly remarkable number of things i've agreed with this game, including stuff that can't possibly have anything to do with alignment like the d1 vote stickiness thing, which I almost made a post about because i've noticed literally the exact same thing in my game as a kind of unconscious evolution of how people started reacting to me.

I don't say this to have any meaningful moving the needle on anything in the game right now or potentially ever, just to like, give myself a little potential postgame face-saving

at the time newcomb made this post i kinda just waited for d1 to end not caring what was gonna go down cuz i thought ladd was a wolf and we were never gonna lunch him d1

but basically this is what i felt as soon as ladd made his entry to the thread pushing on sheep. it looked like he did it for nothing more but just because newcomb (a great villager who was pushing / asking questions to another villager = in ladd's mind surely it's acceptable pushing for sheep too with this context, no? also, bonus points for pocketing?) was poking him, but the link that ties all this together was just that the reasoning he gave was so generic, he was legit trying to fit his process without reading the context (sheep was villagery for pushing knights so early) which made it look like it wasn't a genuine comment

[insomnia]

idr if i did but i had a mild v lean on him most of the day

what do you think of him now?