Tarot Mafia

[Gemma]

sure why not

Vote: neb

[Wisdom]

nah they were voting syn smh wisdom

Read my literal next post fam :3 I just followed Visor's tally!

[Wisdom]

I kinda forgot Benneh exists. He's been out of my scope most of the game. (So have Insomnia tho, but wagons are fun)

Vote: Neb

[insomnia]

if i were to simplify my thoughts around ladd, cuz according to the TOP PHILOSOPHY, the truth is simple and doesn't require a lot of words

ladd, this game, has felt to me like he took every. single. opportunity. to poke at a villager for surface level reasons that i just think he'd never bring up if he genuinely thought about the game

if ladd is here i wanna ask if he thinks this is a fair description of him. examples im thinking of: sheep, jan, gemma (though this one's harder to not give him some cred for).

the actual spicy reads he had that i'd 100% villa read him for, he just backed away from as fast as he started them and he didn't go back / is not prodding there at the moment. benneh is one name that comes to mind. also they have a dynamic where they both take pride over their reads on each other (or at least i know for sure ladd thinks benneh is a top 2 reader of him) and i don't remember them trying to read each other much (other than ladd's push that i give 0 cred for cuz it vanished into thin air. i dont get how ladd is not focusing on sunbae / benneh here but maybe im unfair /shrug). i find it really odd benneh didn't mention his ladd read when there were a few people pushing him

sunbae is really on his own island with anti-consensus reads but he doesn't seem to care a ton. idk how to interpret that, i just know i'd give him 0 cred for anything at this point in time. for anyone villa reading him, if your reasons revolve around TOAN or things of that nature, then just drop it. i think it's wolfier for him if his tone sounds good, but admittedly this is how i perceive him

[Wisdom]

im heading in to work and am gonna be in a data center with no outbound internet access basically all day, not sure if ill be able to make EOD

will do my best to pop in on a break if possible and make a relevant vote as needed but gona stay on ender for now

id really prefer to not go sheep if that matters to anyone

I do think him being busy is genuine and NAI though but I don't mind pushing him a bit.

[grr]

@ih idk what u are referencing wrt anni but i don't think i have buried anyone this game - be it wolf or villagers lol

I was just referencing the general idea that you should be like, allowed to lead in peace, before you are scrutinized. You haven't buried anyone I agree, but if we had yeeted sheep that day, if I don't misremember your posts, I would think that lowkey qualifies. Burying is maybe also like, a bad term. I think it's easier to use for you cause you just call someone wolfy and they get wagoned to death, not to anything you are trying to do intentionally generally (at least if you're villa). hehe

---

I have done Newcomb injustice in my last comment, he has more serious thoughts than I thought he had. I just didnt see them live yesterday (like I completely missed the post he had on knights for example) I just saw the more casual posts that also pinged me lol.

Gist of it was he had a tangible wolfcase against knights that I do understand based on the 3 posts he quoted. (but he called it a 60% thing or something)
Then a lukewarm suspicion of ladd and Sunbae, that he clearly wasn't willing to commit to d1.
And an agreement that Arctic FoSing Maple is probably warranted.

I think that sums it up. I don't know what to do with that information. It leaves me with the feeling that the responsible thing to do here is to keep solving on my own because just sheeping ~any of that~ is probably gonna make him roll his eyes in his grave.

(and ftr I am kind of "ignoring" maple as I got a bit irritated and I hoped and still hope others kinda solve the slot for me, I have had thots but i am just perceiving their posts in peripheral vision basically. I'm fine trying to give a read later on if that becomes necessary. I think they triggered a wolftell for generally how they phrase their posts for me, but that feels more like the kinda thing I'd just snipe in a turbo. but nya. wolfy hedging is villagery for me you're welcome.)

[grr]

vvv
grr
stett
arctic

very likely v
colonel lubriderm

very special tier of hoping it's 2 villas but it's kinda hard to stick with this without just straight up flipping them*
gemma
knightsofneeee

gth villa
jan
vanta black
Raskolnikov
enderwiggin
dyachei

null
dolby
wisdom
sunbae
benneh
Montmorency
maple

meh
ladd

*this feeling would dissuade if we keep doing good in terms of wolf flips. if we end up missing a ton, i'd revisit there, but def not for next 2-3 days

btw i am pretty sure dis guy has been putting me on top of his v-list to increase his survivability and i find it hilarious and love him for it. (this is not a wolfread btw, in fact i kind of townlean it becuz he's been so shameless about it, just wanted to put it out here to share my amusement lmao)

[ladd]

if ladd is here i wanna ask if he thinks this is a fair description of him. examples im thinking of: sheep, jan, gemma (though this one's harder to not give him some cred for).

you are basically asking me if me being a wolf is a fair description of my play so obviously my answer will be no lol

i think i have given everyone i have pushed the benefit of the doubt, moreso than when i am a wolf

wont answer any further reads on me from you unless you have questions, since you fully cleared yourself and i dont wanna waste time (this is why i havent been answering to your read on me btw @didistetter, i'll answer questions but i wont waste time enganging with the read otherwise)

the actual spicy reads he had that i'd 100% villa read him for, he just backed away from as fast as he started them and he didn't go back / is not prodding there at the moment. benneh is one name that comes to mind. also they have a dynamic where they both take pride over their reads on each other (or at least i know for sure ladd thinks benneh is a top 2 reader of him) and i don't remember them trying to read each other much (other than ladd's push that i give 0 cred for cuz it vanished into thin air. i dont get how ladd is not focusing on sunbae / benneh here but maybe im unfair /shrug). i find it really odd benneh didn't mention his ladd read when there were a few people pushing him

sunbae is really on his own island with anti-consensus reads but he doesn't seem to care a ton. idk how to interpret that, i just know i'd give him 0 cred for anything at this point in time. for anyone villa reading him, if your reasons revolve around TOAN or things of that nature, then just drop it. i think it's wolfier for him if his tone sounds good, but admittedly this is how i perceive him

my reads (without looking back) on them is that i wouldnt be shocked if either is a wolf

i thought sunbae had some villagery stuff d1 but he is def not in my top v reads. benneh hasnt really got into the game yet afaict, i entered today thinking that he has good wolf equity but i am also 100% willing to hear him out and 180 this read (wolfy hedge eheh)



fwiw i think your reads list is p accurate minus me

[insomnia]

btw i am pretty sure dis guy has been putting me on top of his v-list to increase his survivability and i find it hilarious and love him for it. (this is not a wolfread btw, in fact i kind of townlean it becuz he's been so shameless about it, just wanted to put it out here to share my amusement lmao)

wat

no, i just think you're 99% villa

im already semi-cleared for my vote on the wilf. the wonders if you let me live past d1... i doubt im dying for the next 3 days to a lunch

[ladd]

I was just referencing the general idea that you should be like, allowed to lead in peace, before you are scrutinized. You haven't buried anyone I agree, but if we had yeeted sheep that day, if I don't misremember your posts, I would think that lowkey qualifies. Burying is maybe also like, a bad term. I think it's easier to use for you cause you just call someone wolfy and they get wagoned to death, not to anything you are trying to do intentionally generally (at least if you're villa). hehe

would you believe me if i told you half the reason i ended on sheep is cause I wanted to be off wagon?

[grr]

ladd

reads on benneh / sunbae?

my view of wolf.benneh is that he does in theory enjoy wolfing and would enjoy it specifically if he randed wolf with his besties. so I kinda think that would bleed into thread by seeing a lotta happy energy fun posts if they were wolves TOGETHER at least (unless he aims to specifically manipulate this unpairing but i also feel like sacrificing having fun in thread just for me and maybe dya to unpair them is nothing that would be worth it to him).

and the follow up from that unpairing is for me is that they are probably gonna have somewhat insightful reads on each other (i think they lean to be both decently accurate there). this is the lazy take. the hard take is for me to have original opinions. umm. ask me later. or dont ask me at all preferably.

[ladd]

@dyachei could you expand on your ender read? why do you wolfread him besides the syn flip?

[dyachei]

@dyachei

this is gonna be a really underwhelming response to you cuz i don't have any examples, but that's because holistically i really don't view ender as wolfy at all, which im surprised myself. actually, i kinda find him pretty villagery overall. i was really expecting to come out of the ISO just telling you im really null on him, but i actually like his posting

why do you have him wolf / want him to die?

@dyachei could you expand on your ender read? why do you wolfread him besides the syn flip?

I have him as possible wolf because his play was meh yesterday for the most part (might be a me problem - we clash historically) and because the syn flip looks bad for him imo.

[grr]

would you believe me if i told you half the reason i ended on sheep is cause I wanted to be off wagon?

sure

vote:sheepsaysmeep


i am still most interested on knights/sheep alignment of all the players itg

I am busy until like -2/3 hours from eod so i'll see u then barring some pop ins

man i cant shake the feeling that sheep is just posting to post at times

in all their pop ins they generally just answer/address the most recent thing, feels like they have no broad of thought at all


like in their last pop in they repeated their ender villa read that they had explained already and they answered someone asking why didistetter is a villager thats like the easiest thing in the world for a wolf to latch onto cause they are super obvious


now this consolidate stuff rings hollow

vote:sheep

time to have some fun

Mostly the latter 2 relevant as they have been close to EoD.

ladd to be honest, and knowing that you are aware of your threadpull and regularly very carefully phrase your posts to limit it, when you actually don't want to be followed.

I'm gonna go with no, I wouldn't believe it. (which makes it kind of confusing to me why you ask in the first place -.-)

[grr]

would you believe me if i told you half the reason i ended on sheep is cause I wanted to be off wagon?

maybe i can believe the half the reason part if I squint hard enough :P

[grr]

@Wisdom you said you vote Vanta because everyone had something towny, which is fine.

Can you explain ummm... I hope 4 names are not too much but benneh, sunbae, maple and montecery for me then?

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom you said you vote Vanta because everyone had something towny, which is fine.

Can you explain ummm... I hope 4 names are not too much but benneh, sunbae, maple and montecery for me then?

I forgot about both Mont existing when I wrote that. Ben too, really, but it wouldn't have changed my point.

While it's not worth much, I thought that Benneh in a few bursts of posts (214 to 376 in his iso) varied shitposting with solving in a way that I associate with town PoV, but it's not worth much and doubt it's towny for him specifically.

Maple is mostly a bs read. I liked his talk about getting reversed but when Jan started talking about it I kinda changed my mind, doing mech stuff to mislead is exactly what I expect from w!Maple.

Sunbae just sounds pure.

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Rask

Why, what is this on my face? Egg? Mmm. Nice and salty.

(I read back overnight and I'm gonna say ~probably Knights is just town and I'm an idiot.)

Just catching up now. Long day. Plus got like no sleep last night so if I sound insane it's because I actually am.

I'm gonna try reading and vibing and see how long until I pass out.

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin

how serious were you about sunbae / benneh? can you explain them today?

also, atm i don't think colonel / arctic holds any wolves, but it'd be interesting to see your thought process cuz the reads are so anti-consensus that it'd be easy to see if you're villaging

Sunbae and Benneh? Kinda?

Both had weird time reading.

Caveat: I haven't caught up since EOD so I reserve right to change my thoughts depending on how they've acted today but:

1. Sunbae
Basically shaded me and created my wagon without voting me, then when I called out how bogus the reasoning was they were like "But I didn't vote you :surprisepikachu:!!" Which is a over-dramatisation of what happened but the shade was bad enough the whole brushing it off felt actively scummy.

2. Benneh
Cheerleader central. Hadn't said anything but as soon as Sunbae articulated a kinda good looking if a bit hollow shade on me they were like "YES I was thinking the same thingggg". Which felt like actively opportunistic.

I am realising typing this out that the two of them don't feel paired in this way. Both just felt opportunistic. But caveat is that I definitely feel sensitive about how I end up being in contention D1 on the Org no matter what. So I know my reaction is biased. Would welcome sanitised looks at what I'm pointing out.

Re: Arctic and Bop

Arctic is... kinda a bad read. I feel bad typing it out.

But we have (Somewhat often?) vibed when we've randed v/v. Now, not 100% so it's not a smoking gun but I felt sus. There were also some posts that I felt were performative but I'll have to come back and find them.

Bop was because they were making posts that were implying serious thought about other people's PR status and they seemed to be shitposty when it seemed like the thread was ~trying to get some solving done. I remember thinking after EOD that the sus I had there was probably wrong because I liked the EOD, but that was the reason I mentioned them there.

[Raskolnikov]

Vote: Rask

Why, what is this on my face? Egg? Mmm. Nice and salty.

(I read back overnight and I'm gonna say ~probably Knights is just town and I'm an idiot.)

Just catching up now. Long day. Plus got like no sleep last night so if I sound insane it's because I actually am.

I'm gonna try reading and vibing and see how long until I pass out.

hmm yes. I am gonna poop itt too and start a cw to Benneh (take that shade friendo)

fr I am going to do some work now

[EnderWiggin]

@insomnia

For the above.

[EnderWiggin]

hmm yes. I am gonna poop itt too and start a cw to Benneh (take that shade friendo)

fr I am going to do some work now

I was taught that peepee poopoo was the way to win at mafia.

[EnderWiggin]

Omg Dolby replaced in.

Now I am hype

[EnderWiggin]

ender. reason: what (just for this post ngl lol)

Eh. It felt like we had a nice tussle at EOD and then third mystery wagon gave me jeepers.

I was wrong, so fair sus.

[Raskolnikov]

fuck I hate this site. each time I wanna do something more than a shit one liner, I loose it like a boomer.

[Dolby]

Omg Dolby replaced in.

Now I am hype

I read your sequence on like page 4 and kinda think you're wolfing for it but I also am at just before post 400 still

[EnderWiggin]

I read your sequence on like page 4 and kinda think you're wolfing for it but I also am at just before post 400 still

:(

Talking into the void is sad I agree.

[Dolby]

:(

Talking into the void is sad I agree.

Well the problem is like

you have one take on knights/dya and EVERY take you have following that within that sequence is townreading or scumreading people based on if they agree with the take that you had on knights/dya

It's incredibly reactive and even at post 200 I expect more nuance? Like, I disagreed with Knights take but thought he was village for things later in the thread, in that sequence there wasn't really anything at that level of analysis.

Hopefully your posting looks better the deeper I get into thread

[EnderWiggin]

ender has 15 posts in a row and this is the only towny one

The whole sequence is just level 1 reactive all deriving from a single read he has: that knights early read on dya is bad. No part of the process is related to anything BUT that.

This is like, all of p#200 through p#215

bro are you wolfing

I literally have 3 entire reads in that sequence that have 0 to do with the Knights read.

Also I was right on Sheep.

Bro are you wolfing?

[Dolby]

I literally have 3 entire reads in that sequence that have 0 to do with the Knights read.

Also I was right on Sheep.

Bro are you wolfing?

maybe, I replaced C0balt who you were sussing for townlocking sheep