Tarot Mafia

[Dolby]

looks at my poe

looks at this post

looks at my poe

looks at this post

surely it cannot be

Think I already commented on this in my Syn ISO post but I just think this post isn't partnered with Wisdom

@Wisdom: re Syn. It's just he seems more prone to directly attack people here (ColonelLub, Jan) in his very special way (look the last one lol "looks at my poe

looks at this post

looks at my poe

looks at this post

surely it cannot be ") here, which I associate with his town game.

I feel it's different from last game where he was a woof (it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn).

Ladd posted something I missed though ("everyone currently passing the vibe check I think we should vote sleep

not to be confused with sheep") which is a bit odd like. would be very sadge if Syn is wolfing with sheep but lol. Just something to keep in mind for when one of them flips.

Gonna read the knightofneee (I didn't vibe with you TRing Benneh out of vibes pal )

Feeling more confident that Rask is town, when I read Syn's ISO I felt that the way he was going after Rask felt like he wasn't in a wolf

oh one more thing. this was a silly read ofc but when i wrote that i meant id absolutely vote him for that as i did register it out of character and considering not much struck me as sus so far and i'd rather not be construed as meaningless w/w jab later on if ladd flips wolf. enjoy the game until I'm back.

I have other reasons to townread grr but those reasons are just "I read their posts, I think it's a villager". I think this take is lol but I kinda am amused by it

fwiw it's either self rambling, or wolfy (like trying to engage with Jan's list without actually speaking about its content, or straight up shading dya/Sunbae)

yeah rask is town

I'm sure it goes without saying, and it *does* go without saying, the concept of the Goldilocks mafia zone should be something that everyone in this lobby grasps. Like, it *literally* goes without saying. There were 2 reads lists which could have been responded to, syn and jan. There were no questions to insom.

Rereading grr's posts for the fifth time, I still don't get it or like it, so she's probably just a wolf.

so this is one of Maple's first reads. I just don't like it, I feel that grr has had micro towny moments already. I feel like grr looks like a pushable person to a wolf despite that

so the early solving on my end was 80% for appearing villagery so i feel like clarifying where im at

the serious reads remain: stett / grr probably ~lock villas. easy reads for anyone to have in top tier imo

off the lower impact (thus far) players, gemma struck me as off in terms of sheer villageriness, i feel like the times i've seen them play they manage to shine through with pure solving process. however, i like their laidback attitude and solo thing they're doing as slightly villagery enough to the point i would probably not wanna kill them today, unless i re-read and i see a howler. i dont remember much

i did feel like arctic making that post was very villagery for ~anyone that would make it, but i guess he's not gone hard enough at anything yet to be confident. not gonna question it for now. and to respond to ih, my read was purely off that post and i don't know his wolfgame and not sure i care to know about it either. there's nobody that can't be caught and im basically in constant re-eval mode

my spicy take that im admittedly stubborn about rn is that newcomb / ladd has a wolf, but i'll see how i feel about it by EoD. it's def not as strong as the other tinfoils i have in normals

anything else im gonna work on in the latter part of the phase, the content thus far didn't do much for me

except for the Arctic take I love this post a lot, particularly calling grr a lock villa. I think that it isn't hard to do that but I think wolves aren't inclined to do that

Why should you have a read on me? I've made like two content posts and have been shitposting mostly

maybe slightly towny reaction to Syn's read list but I might be reaching with this

I might not have played a ton of games recently but I have railed some from the shadows and like, idk, I feel like people expect out of dya that dya just doesn't ever really actually do and then when they don't see they just shadeshadeshade and then dya gets on the defensive a bit and then because dya has been shaded when they start dropping reads people just throw their hands up a bit and go "oh shucks im not sure what to make out of all this ill just focus elsewhere for a bit" and then they and their reads just kinda sit in their own untouched universe for a couple game days

and like, idk, i read dyas posts and they seem like an obvious villager and id like to try to prevent that from happening here?

I like this a lot actually since I think that Dya was up to this point a bit above null and yeah idk I just like it

The interesting part is that maple has called me a wolf in the last 3 v/v games we played and or something and at some point doing literally 0 course correction starts feeling in bad faith. Like normally you'd think a person would go like "ok i misread that person every game maybe ill just kinda not try this time" but this guy really keeps doing it forever it seems.

and he was also my wolfbuddy in my last wolfgame where basically half the thread called me outed page 1. so maple is very well aware its not that hard.

This is so town. I think that this is not the angle a wolf chooses to go here since it risks just burning some people to them

fry.gif in enders general directi

I think this but also imma be real this is 100% bc I vibe with the read

fwiw im pretty sure maple is a villager too? this is the type of latch on i always find v towny

NOOOOOOOOOO you were doing so good

i don't think it's correct to townread me for the reason of being convoluted but i probably wouldn't have made a post with that flavor of convolution as a wolf
so i dunno. i don't agree with the reason but he's kinda right

I dislike this bc if there's bad reasons, even if he is right, that's kinda just more likely to be a wolf faking a read imo

I want to yeet outside of:

1. dyachei
2. Arctic
3. Didistetter
5. nebjiamn
6. Sunbae
7. Raskolnikov
9. Jan
15. Syn
17. Newcomb
18. Maple
21. C0balt

maybe ladd too

if you ask me for raisins and want more than "i feel it in my berrens" then dont ask

want to question why a third of these are here but w/e I'll do it later

is he?

Arctic I feel like you aren't Abominating this game :(. Like IH just feels v and I feel like it should be kinda recognizable? I am also not getting the abomination solving vibes from you

what posts make them seem like an obvious villager then

ok actually my problem with these is different and we will see if it stays like that, but Arctic isn't putting anything out in this section of posts, he's just asking for more elaboration of TRs, which, fair, but I also think just isn't the best look

i strongly disagree
i think he is making a big deal over something that amounts to basically nothing
IH also made a decent point that he constantly misreads him but hasn't tried to course correct here, and also saw his wolfgame where he got outted immediately and doesn't seem to factor that in at all

on the whole i also just think maple's focus has been not good. i think it's easy for a wolf to focus on real time and point out logical inconsistencies but i don't really feel like maple is trying to solve the game or forming a worldview, just kinda nitpicking at random stuff (they were doing this earlier about something else and complaining about the wallposts)

Ok nvm I love this post, this basically summerizes the entirity of my thoughts on Maple v grr, and correctly calls out why Maple's posts just don't feel good at this point in the game.This is the right read for the right reasons at this point in the thread (even if I'm not sure if Arctic has read up to Maple somewhat backing off the right at this point)

main things that stood out to me on catchup

- dya's point about ladd being town for.. pushing knights as hard as he was seems a little fake to me esp cuz he wasn't even going that hard lol. if anything the read that he wouldn't be going "this hard" as a wolf feels more likely to come from TMI on knights being town and the knowledge that it'd be a bad look, esp considering dya doesn't seem to even townread knights

- benneh's read on IH being a free villa find also seemed kinda fishy given what IH had actually posted at the time, and i don't really buy his explanation in #345 either. IH has a particular style of posting and tends to polarize himself early on and wolves are pretty prone to TMI'ing him because he makes a lot of introspective/tonally towny posts that wolves think are more villagery than villagers (who don't know his alignment) do. and like, i think there's a chance that's what happened here from benneh cuz he just.. wasn't villagery at least at the time of those posts. and IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation

- that said i do think IH is town now (based on posts after this point, tbc) - mainly cuz i believe him being happy over this game (and he probably wouldn't be had he randed wolf in a super strong PL) and the explanation of sheeps/knight stuff. also unironically he probably would have just left the thread by now as wolf. he said he was gonna go a while ago but stayed which is towny by default but esp for people who don't like wolfing

- syn has now done some things differently to their last wolf game like posting a full read list and pushing on.. more than one person. but frankly this doesn't really seem like a great reason to townread someone because it's a pretty low bar, and i don't know if other non-alignment things were affecting last game's posting to cause a false-positive there and potentially a false-negative here. but still feels worth pointing out. the read list itself feels kind of insane. maybe too insane for a wolf. dunno. rask seems to agree and he caught syn last game, don't really have a read on rask rn either but how early the read came makes me feel like even if rask is a wolf it's more likely to be TMI on a villager rather than on a partner, so i'm fine sheeping it either way lol

- gemma is in a weird spot for me because somehow her posts feel more useless than the wolfgame she had where she at least attempted to make/explain reads to look towny. i'm not sure how to feel about this - did they just rand wolf again and don't give a fuck? or are they also just like this as town. will probably help if someone with more experience weighs in here

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eh, i vaguely don't think wolf!dya pushes on benneh regardless of benneh's alignment. also think the reasoning "expected him to be more excited about playing a long game with sunbae" seems quirky enough to be a town thought
not confident here but my understanding of the dynamic between those two is that they'd always just pocket each other as wolf at least from seeing turbos lol. not sure benneh has enough pressure here to justify wolf!dya losing the chance to establish a rapport with benneh. my earlier gripe still stands but i think this is probably more significant - i remember wrongly scumreadnig dya for making an early overly generous townread last game so shrug

someone reminded me about the manti 6 word thing and i'll cede that it felt villagery at the time, but i still want to see some kind of worldview from them

hmmm, disagree with WHY he's townreading IH though I also gotta to admit that I'm townreading IH for reasons that may be connected to that and maybe IH is posting more because he is not wolf (simply speaking, I believe that IH believes what he's posting, he is putting off a vibe that he is trying to solve in his own way). Not gonna comment on the Benneh and Dya stuff bc I am not backreading or anything that isn't on the same page, quoted, or directly connected to Syn.

If the parts about Rask didn't exist in the section about his Syn read I'd be townreading it because it correctly calls out Syn's reads list as frankly insane and says that the townreads on Syn are weak... but sheeps Rask anyway. I don't think it's the worst, I think the read is mildly towny, but in either direction it gives Arctic wiggle room which detracts from how I feel about him. I do think at this moment that he is more likely town though

I'm gonna be real, I have more PR reads than alignment reads.

maybe towny bc this is such an insane thing to say

ngl these are like my only townreads and there aren't enough to the point where i can feel good about posting a poe/wolf list so im just not gonna bother lol

grr
didistetter
insomnia
colonel
ladd
syn

also i looked at montmorency's post in the signup thread and it wasn't an explicit /in so he might not even know he's in the game. lol. lmao

god I think that outside Syn this list is pure even though I don't really have a ladd take but I hate that he correctly calls out why Syn shouldn't be townread, then just sheeps Rask anyway

V
Didistetter
ladd

V lean
Sunbae
rask
Jan
ColonelLubriderm
maple

Null
Arctic - he sucks at reading me I suck at reading him
Vanta Black
nebjiamn
Gemma but theres a part of me that wants to slot her in as town
grr
insomnia
Wisdom
Syn
Newcomb
Montmorency
cobalt

w lean
EnderWiggin - this guy is always a wolf to me
knights
sheep

w


go crazy friendos

there are things I like and dislike about this list, mostly like

I think that townreading Rask while not caring about his Syn "godread", especially if Rask is town, is somethign that wolves are going to avoid doing, I think the only thing I really dislike is Maple up which I don't really see, and Ender/Knights in the same tier. I would like more elaboration from Dya on why Ender is always a wolf to them and I'm gonna be keeping an eye on that since, I do sus Ender to but I don't think that that has been reflected much in their previous posts

Okay so I looked at dya’s ISO (some may be out of order because the iso’ing here is old school idk)

Prior to me calling out dya for not having reads she had given 3 reads, didistetter = v, Jan = v (which I disagreed with) and Ladd = v (also disagreed with at the time, maybe less so now)

So I think it was super fair for me to say you had been low content up to that point.

I do think you’ve done much more since and I align with most of dya’s reads atm except the Jan v read.

But I think the fact that you were so aghast at me wolf reading you feels a bit naïve/silly.

I do like how dya is pushing insomnia, I think that’s the most villagers thing she’s done by far, and she has been active/solved enough now that I can accept I was probably wrong and move on.













(I was going to spoil the quotes but there isn’t an option on quick reply for a spoiler and I don’t want to lose this so sorry)

think this post in general is towny and the two bolded lines are less likely to come from a wolf

I gotta leave now, full solve to come later

[Sunbae]

Stett, this parts harder for me so can you help?

If the syn wagon was pretty easy to anticipate, do you think any of the voters (especially early ones) were busses?

[Raskolnikov]

Kinda vibing with Jans judgement post hmmm

I mean yes, but an ez post for a wolf smh

[ColonelLubriderm]

@Wisdom

why did you have syn as a lower tier villa yesterday?

[Sunbae]

can you explain why you wanted to kill jan?

i've said i had the same take, but thinking about it i thought it's pretty clear that a wolf would not aim for that type of chaining thing because all it takes is syn to flip and he's pretty much outed. is jan the type of wolf to just open wolf like that on d1 because he hates losing team mates?

i wish he didn't write all those things out because now he looks ten times worse. and i do think syn might've legit been KP which is why im rolling around with gemma / knights villa rn even though the game would be a bit odd for me if there's not a wolf there atm. but i still haven't re-read

judgement makes sense for wolf KP and last night they didn't show it, although i guess they don't need to have a full vig. i just dont know if visor is the type to associate flavor with roles

Im gonna push back on this.

Syn did flip and Jan did do the chain and Jan is clearly not outed. So I don't think I agree with your premise here.

[Jan]

I mean yes, but an ez post for a wolf smh

this is bullshit.

wolves don't shower.

[Sunbae]

this is bullshit.

wolves don't shower.

its true, they dont have opposable thumbs and cant turn the shower on

[Raskolnikov]

this is bullshit.

wolves don't shower.

Maybe Jan, but "wolves dont" is a tale as old as me. U know it. (Believe me I will read u in good faith despite my current stance)

[Sunbae]

ender, if i said "but i didnt even vote you" was a shitpost with a tinge of truth (aka, trying to be funny and silly in the way i said "idk why youre so focused on me about it i just made a read and moved on i wasnt pushing") that apparently didnt land well would that feel less weird for you

[Jan]

Maybe Jan, but "wolves dont" is a tale as old as me. U know it. (Believe me I will read u in good faith despite my current stance)

Odd response.

Good faith as a response to a funny bit feels off.

[Sunbae]

i hope the wolves arent something like benneh/maple/wisdom cause id be playing very bad if it was

[Raskolnikov]

Pls to have confirmed that posting a readlist is a waste of time.

I like how IH is shrugging at me and my reads. True story

[Sunbae]

Pls to have confirmed that posting a readlist is a waste of time.

I like how IH is shrugging at me and my reads. True story

i read your reads list! and i specifically pointed out the ladd point has gotten into my brain a bit as I reread!

[Raskolnikov]

Odd response.

Good faith as a response to a funny bit feels off.

Maybe i did not get the funny bit. Just noticed the bs part

[Sunbae]

"maybe towny cause this is an insane thing to say" got a real life belly laugh from me

love manti posts

[Jan]

Maybe i did not get the funny bit. Just noticed the bs part

6 words and you stopped reading halfway through. equally flabbergasted and impressed.

Even maple reads the first 6 words.

[Raskolnikov]

"maybe towny cause this is an insane thing to say" got a real life belly laugh from me

love manti posts

Is being peeformative AI for him?

[Raskolnikov]

Peeformative, wish I could thanks my typos

[Dolby]

sup Dolby. glad to play with u again friendo. Yes, have a look at the knight and grr for me pls (I have had them as sr or leans but reevaluating). I might pass out in a few minutes, but will read tmr morning

@Raskolnikov btw so far I have both of them as town

[Jan]

Pls to have confirmed that posting a readlist is a waste of time.

I like how IH is shrugging at me and my reads. True story

Your clears are fine. (from your pov)

your poe is meh. (having both knights and myself in your immediate poe is wrong but you know that yourself. manti as poe is fine but also the easiest person to put in there at any point of the game)

your nullpile is huge.

your third wisdom take needs explaining because I think I would be the one shading in the conversation and not wisdom.

bop is villa.
grr is villa

vanta is ~likely villa. (I get overall similar vibes to last game where I wasted an action on Vanta to clear her name)

[dyachei]

idk anymore, I haven't even had a chance to really rethink my reads list today. i do think rask looks villagery today so im not interested in voting there. I might cop out and vote montmorency because like...what's he doing?

feels like everyone else is seeing things differently than I am spew wise and Idk if I'm the problem or not so I've just been watching people chat.

i still think jan is villa

[ColonelLubriderm]

Premise: there are four wolves left

inno children(0 wolves)

vanta
stet

villas(0-1 wolves but lean towards 0)
insomnia
arctic
grr

villagy (0-1 wolves lean towards 0 but not as far as above)
sunbae
dya

village side of /shrug(0-1 wolf)
maple*
knights

/shrug(1-2 wolves)
montmore
neb
jan**
rasko**
ender

wolf side of /shrug(1-3 wolves)
ladd
dolby
gemma
wisdom

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solely listed on the shrug side of villagy because i support my neighbor

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never W/W with each other with how eod 1 went down; yes this is hyperbole but i think it probably over 90% true

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recap of our neighbor chat; it was silence for a while until maple showed up and asked if im a wolf to which i replied with a walterwhiteyouGotMe.gif to which he then replied with a walter white gif with red laser eyes. then we fucked around talking abut league of legends and i was telling him how i used to main warwick and he made a joke about me being a power bottom. the only game related thing we really talked about day 1 was me poking him to come join me on syn and he said sure. I think he followed through, i dont really remember but then there was a bunch of waiting gifs for the reveal followed by me doing a play by play of how i was furiously rubbing my nipples when i saw syn's flip and getting melted coffee oreo ice cream allover my chest to which he replied that it made him hungry. A little later i was ranting on how that silly tryhard Jan got me to go on rasko and i was complaining if he just kept his mouth shut i might be on my way to dvc next phase. Then i started saying how he was a wolf trying to direct the syn wagon to rasko because if rasko flips villa then syn wagon dissipates for days likely because of the god read. then i cooled off thinking its both possible rasko is just a wolf or even rasko is a villa and jan is just a villa. maple asked me aboutmy hard on for gemma and i told him I pretty much hated how she thought syn's opening was villagy over stet's opening where he literally got spew read villa from and maple said how isnt it possible she didnt read stet's post and i said sure, but then why even say anything about syn and that kind of ended there. Then we started up talk this morning when he talked about being reversed or flipped or some shit and i said its probably because there is a 3p and they are magic cards and he got his ass tapped by an icy manipulator. we had a nice chortle, thats about it. i'm pretty much v reading him solely because i enjoy the chat and even if hes a wolf i dont care. You can't have my neighbor

[dyachei]

like going into yesterday's elim, i had ladd, rask, and jan all as villa and I think i'm probably wrong on just 1 of them. If I am, it's ladd.

[Maple]

Whoever made that one post about thinking it's reasonably likely that Mont is a villager, that post seemed good.

Maybe I'm biased, but I'm not particularly a fan of dolly's catchup so far.

The people I want to see more from more or less haven't given much more yet which is annoying so I'm just gonna give it till I'm on my computer.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Whoever made that one post about thinking it's reasonably likely that Mont is a villager, that post seemed good.

Maybe I'm biased, but I'm not particularly a fan of dolly's catchup so far.

The people I want to see more from more or less haven't given much more yet which is annoying so I'm just gonna give it till I'm on my computer.

i agree wrt dolby

[Dolby]

Whoever made that one post about thinking it's reasonably likely that Mont is a villager, that post seemed good.

Maybe I'm biased, but I'm not particularly a fan of dolly's catchup so far.

The people I want to see more from more or less haven't given much more yet which is annoying so I'm just gonna give it till I'm on my computer.

The crowd boos

[dyachei]

Whoever made that one post about thinking it's reasonably likely that Mont is a villager, that post seemed good.

Maybe I'm biased, but I'm not particularly a fan of dolly's catchup so far.

The people I want to see more from more or less haven't given much more yet which is annoying so I'm just gonna give it till I'm on my computer.

dolby's catch up like confused me. It seemed like dolby had some thoughts in real time he abandoned for catch up reads

[Dolby]

if yall aint a fan of my catchup vote me then

[ColonelLubriderm]

if yall aint a fan of my catchup vote me then

vote: dolby

[dyachei]

if yall aint a fan of my catchup vote me then

im still deciding what to do. I won't be doing as I'm told though