Tarot Mafia

that said like, wolves bussing syn for no reason could quite easily be the case thinking about like, if knights and gemma are also both wolves but it completely falls apart if one or zero of them are wolves (and im townreading gemma although maybe not for great reasons so shrug)

Originally Posted by insomnia

@Jan

You said you read syn good but you didn't know what to say about him, so presumably he was having an off game meta wise

I wanna understand why you then nail rask so hard to the wall on "he is def tming him if syn is v", like why can he not just be a villager with a wrong read? Idk this godread treatment on someone feels off to me esp cuz it's about a slot that you said was easy to find out what they are later, so how would flipping rask help you at all in reading him if he'd become obvious to you anyway?

This is a game with a postcap. I have already used too many posts on the topic because I don't think I have a lot to add that you cannot find in my iso at this point.
This will be my last post focussed on this topic for now.

He was basically in between his last 2 games. One of those being wolf and one villager.

Rask was very convinced within moments that syn was a villager. I even scolded people early on to not give bad early villa reads on syn when he is a player that has a distinctive meta and is readable. (the scolding was pointed towards gemma not rask)
Based on rasks conviction in the last 2 games and the way he started this game I simply did not think he would be wrong. Easy as that.

I have very limited reasoning further than that.
I thought that it was way more likely w/w or w/w than v/w. Easy as that.

Your whole question here is making it sound like I had this planned from the get-go when my plan at the time was to sway people away from killing either but if they had to kill one of them then rask first based on my perspective.
If this and the 2000 words I have already committed on the topic is not helpful then nothing and nobody can help you and you should catch up on your sleep instead.

I am honestly just done with this. The information is in the thread and repeating myself over and over again is not helpful to anyone and just a waste of time and space.

Originally Posted by Arctic

@Jan @Raskolnikov

Feel free to ignore this if you’ve already answered and I just haven’t seen it cuz I’ve not read today

but i want to know what you think wolves were doing at that eod (shade on particular players appreciated)

because for me the level 1 interpretation as a villager in either of your shoes is to think the other is a wolf otherwise things are quite odd (like wolves either being non-present completely or just bussing syn when they had town wagon(s) available)

4. Vanta Black
5. nebjiamn
6. Sunbae
7. Raskolnikov
14. Wisdom
15. Syn
21. C0balt

The 7 people that did not post in the last hour before eod.

If 2 of those people (in addition to syn) are wolves then wolves have very limited power to control eod.
I don't think it is sunbae or vanta. But the other are all possible.

As of right now I have no reason to believe it is not 4 people within

nebjiamn
Raskolnikov
Ladd
EnderWiggin
Wisdom
Maple
Montmorency
C0balt (now Dolby)

Within this group you have wild mix of not around at eod and looks bad at eod. (add me to it if you want).

Let's say 2 of dolby, ben, rask and wisdom are wolves and not around at eod.
What do you think any of the 2 remaining wolves that are around can do to change the tide?

I understand that Rask vs Jan is a nice story and rask might be a wolf, but if you just look at the people missing EoD you will realize that it is not as clear cut.

Originally Posted by didistetter

saving my last 4 for votes if need be but:

Wagons:
Gemma (4) Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
Theknightsofneeee (3) EnderWiggen, Gemma, Didistetter
Raskolnikov (3) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan
Syn (2) Newcomb, dyachei
EnderWiggen (2) nebjiamn, dyachei
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Arctic, Sunbae, Montmorency, C0balt, Maple


rn gemma is lead wagon, lots of vanities. p sure arctic hasnt voted all day lol. maple at least tried and failed :P

this was the votecount 2 minutes after enders last post of the day (18 minutes before eod). if rask is a villager then ender might not think syn is likely dying at eod and might just leave and not come back in time as well.

Ladd is the most likely person to fool me but I liked his village list late d1.

Originally Posted by ladd

honestly my main takeaway from latter half of the day is that bop/artic are villas

i'd be surprised if this list isnt pure:

ladd
newcomb
stett
artic
bop
grrr
jan

could even add dya and it probablyyyy remains pure



not sure i like what knights is doing this eod sadly

The only problem is really being wrong on sheep and the vote timing right after dya voted sheep reads like a peek cfd attempt.
Ladd would be the most likely aligned with Rask off the pack.

No idea what to do with Monty. the late Rask vote and unvote 6 minutes later was fine. Not sure why a wolf would not switch to syn and just unvote.
I don't know him and have basically no read here.

Maple vote does not read aligned with Rask, but can be aligned with Syn. Maple enjoy trolling and silly stuff which makes reading into eradic behavior hard.

So im just doing a drive by and I think it is definitely plausible that we live in a Jan/rasko v/v world and in that world Gemma looks more like a villa maybe, let’s say it does for the sake of argument

Like if you think they are all villas then it’s bratty much just 4 people in

Ender
Wisdom
Ladd
Neb
Dolby
Mont
Maple

Right?

guess who's covid neg weeeeeeeeeeeee

Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

So im just doing a drive by and I think it is definitely plausible that we live in a Jan/rasko v/v world and in that world Gemma looks more like a villa maybe, let’s say it does for the sake of argument

Like if you think they are all villas then it’s bratty much just 4 people in

Ender
Wisdom
Ladd
Neb
Dolby
Mont
Maple

Right?

If the above is true then I don’t see how wisdom is not always a wolf.

Like my problem is that this is wisdom’s worldview ;

Wisdom strongest town according to his list post its rask/jan followed by ladd/ender

The rest of the grouping from my last post are basically their nulls and his three wolf reads are vanta/gemma/dolby.

I’m curious as to the reason why Jan/rask are so high, secretly I’m hoping he’s a seer, and then why ladd/ender after that but forget about that for a second.

If you think rask is a villa; shouldn’t you also think Gemma/knights are probably villas too because presumably when it was 3/3/3 they could have jumped on v!rasko over syn

But wisdom pushing on Gemma and if not their then vanta/dolby which seems kind of meh

It doesn’t make sense to me

Originally Posted by Wisdom

Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!

Yeah right now I'd say...

Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask

Leaning town
Ender
Ladd

Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett

Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae

Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta

Wisdom list I mentioned from earlier this afternoon

That’s a good post from Bop, when I was looking at that list earlier I kind of only considered the susses and not Wisdoms whole worldview. Yeah it’s kinda just whack

@Wisdom why am i null now? i dont get your progression on me this game

unless im misremembering you had me as somewhat strong townlean d1 and not that i expect everyone to carry that water forever it feels weird i'm now null when i was mostly absent eod and afaict you haven't elaborated much (at least on me) since ?

Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

If the above is true then I don’t see how wisdom is not always a wolf.

Like my problem is that this is wisdom’s worldview ;

Wisdom strongest town according to his list post its rask/jan followed by ladd/ender

The rest of the grouping from my last post are basically their nulls and his three wolf reads are vanta/gemma/dolby.

I’m curious as to the reason why Jan/rask are so high, secretly I’m hoping he’s a seer, and then why ladd/ender after that but forget about that for a second.

If you think rask is a villa; shouldn’t you also think Gemma/knights are probably villas too because presumably when it was 3/3/3 they could have jumped on v!rasko over syn

But wisdom pushing on Gemma and if not their then vanta/dolby which seems kind of meh

It doesn’t make sense to me

ill be honest i wouldn't expect wisdom to sort reads out like that (see: ladd mentioning she has a weird process on d1) but id still say its worth prodding her over the reasoning

the more i read I feel like I keep thinking "this person isn't capable of this level of posting as wolf" but that's a) obviously reductive and insulting and i dont wana do that but more importantly b) probly just flat out wrong because ive had the thought enough times that im misclearing several people and idk if that means im misclearing people for bad reasons or the wolves are in the elite players that are capable of fooling me without me thinking im being fooled (this would be like, ladd/knights/maple/sunbae/arctic group of ppl)

i should probly do a sorted list to help gather and structure my thoughts butg im lazy

Originally Posted by nebjiamn

the more i read I feel like I keep thinking "this person isn't capable of this level of posting as wolf" but that's a) obviously reductive and insulting and i dont wana do that but more importantly b) probly just flat out wrong because ive had the thought enough times that im misclearing several people and idk if that means im misclearing people for bad reasons or the wolves are in the elite players that are capable of fooling me without me thinking im being fooled (this would be like, ladd/knights/maple/sunbae/arctic group of ppl)

i should probly do a sorted list to help gather and structure my thoughts butg im lazy

well why dont we go through the playerlist together and see whats up

Originally Posted by Sunbae

well why dont we go through the playerlist together and see whats up

I’m here til edibles kick in

I’m also mildly annoyed that twice during eod ladd asked about sheep and twice I told him to look at my previous post and even told him the post number and he still wagoned sheep

Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

last night when maple was saying how they had more PR reads than alignment reads, and sheep replied "am i that obvious"; I did not read that as a joke. I truly believe that sheep was saying that they are actually a PR.

I dont want sheep to hard claim, i dont want any more info about this, and in fact this will be the last post I will talk about sheep in any way.

I would ask that everyone join me in this endeavor and thank this post. In doing that, enter into a tacit agreement that, if we fail to kill wolves by day 3 or we reach lylo+2, we then grill sheep about this claim and if they bring nothing to the table we yeet them into oblivion. This is the price you pay for leveraging a power role for clearance.

Yours in werewolf,
-bopolis

My post in question which I still stand by

That right Ben and sunbae;

Hide in your discord you mangy wolves

Bops on the prowl and he’s feeling himself

Figuratively

Originally Posted by nebjiamn

the more i read I feel like I keep thinking "this person isn't capable of this level of posting as wolf" but that's a) obviously reductive and insulting and i dont wana do that but more importantly b) probly just flat out wrong because ive had the thought enough times that im misclearing several people and idk if that means im misclearing people for bad reasons or the wolves are in the elite players that are capable of fooling me without me thinking im being fooled (this would be like, ladd/knights/maple/sunbae/arctic group of ppl)

i should probly do a sorted list to help gather and structure my thoughts butg im lazy

You know how I know this guys wolfing;

He didn’t read this thread

Boom outted

Also maple has lots of salient points on the gamestate and I think when he brings it up here you will all change your tood on him

Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

Also maple has lots of salient points on the gamestate and I think when he brings it up here you will all change your tood on him

In our neighbor chat that is

Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

That right Ben and sunbae;

Hide in your discord you mangy wolves

Bops on the prowl and he’s feeling himself

Figuratively

im ready to turn on rocket league for the next 72 hours

Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

In our neighbor chat that is

did maple say anything in neighbor chat during EOD?

Like, were they always going to end on Syn, or was there a level of realness to the Rask vote?

watching fallout with the gals, will post here after

Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

In our neighbor chat that is

so are you confirming yes, maple is actually your neighbor/lover and you do actually share a chat and he actually is being towny in chat? @ColonelLubriderm

also not trying to be rude, just trying to find out: what's your track record with neighbor chats and being pocketed or finding wolves?

Originally Posted by didistetter

@Gemma what about my play today reads as powerwolfy to you?

i'd like you to unpack that and explain it out a bit pls, cause it kinda feels like a random pot shot, so im curious what the thoughts are behind it

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Vote: Dolby

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@Sunbae so unfortunatley the tldr of why i tr grr is: meta. i've played with him a fair amount and he's pretty stilted and frozen as a wolf. the stream of consciousness and overexplaining and relative highposting here is all pretty far out of his scumrange, and there's a tonal purity he just really hasnt been able to replicate well as scum before.

I can pull up posts and walk through them if you need me to, but, everyone who is familiar with grr is towncoring him, so, that's p significant here

(also this post at eod just felt very loltown) #1205

@Gemma rebumping this question. it was an odd dig and im curious what your thought process behind the scenes is, b/c your posting is frankly hard to decipher and kinda cagey

Originally Posted by didistetter

so are you confirming yes, maple is actually your neighbor/lover and you do actually share a chat and he actually is being towny in chat? @ColonelLubriderm

also not trying to be rude, just trying to find out: what's your track record with neighbor chats and being pocketed or finding wolves?

lol this question is brutal in a way that im too lazy to explain

If Jan/rask are villas I think it is probably wisdom/ender+2 with one being ladd a lot of the time

If wisdom is a villa in the above world I can’t articulate why but my heart wants to say sunbae=wolf because I kind of think if wisdom a villa ladd probably a villa; but I gotta marinate on that one for a bit

I currently find Jan more villagy than rasko


That’s about it

Originally Posted by nebjiamn

lol this question is brutal in a way that im too lazy to explain

I’d vote montmore but it would just be projection

Originally Posted by didistetter

so are you confirming yes, maple is actually your neighbor/lover and you do actually share a chat and he actually is being towny in chat? @ColonelLubriderm

also not trying to be rude, just trying to find out: what's your track record with neighbor chats and being pocketed or finding wolves?

It’ll all make perfect sense when we I flip

Ender calls Rask town but it's more Rask enjoying time at the beach, votes knights. interaction with grr is fine

Ender has like 5 posts trying to pocket Newcomb lol

His most extensive posts feel like their responses to posts about him

His lasts few posts of D1 being a functional defense of Syn, including a actual defense of Syn, is not good vibes

It's just not good and I'm gonna feel real bad if he's town

Him going for Rask at SOD today feels not great as well, like an easy target, but tbh I'm not even sure if I townread Rask

I guess it's a good look that he didn't get on Gemma since he gave himself space to do so, but that's less of a good look and more of a not bad look

I kinda think that Ender is maybe TMIing Monty in the following post

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Oh I haven't said this but Monty's EOD was pretty towny of him IMO. Some of the D2 start also feels a lot like the game I ML'd him when we were both town, and I like to think I learn from mishammering =P

The only really relevant post is 1279 and it is a nice post and I admitidly haven't played with Monty for awhile but unless he thinks Monty's takes on Ladd are coming from V him I just don't see this, or how it's not replicatable

i had to go looking



good take, nearly 9 years old