Tarot Mafia

[Sunbae]

I’m here til edibles kick in

yeah im game

i kind of want to shore up a few things:

- That gemma/grr/knights section in my list. With Gemma/Knights counterwagons to syn near eod I've been boosting them both up (also for voting Syn and I think being villagery on their own to boot,) but I do want to just double check that it's not a blind spot where we had a couple wolves wagoned and they had to consolidate on each other and I give them false credit. Gemma I didn't really have a read on before the eod and vote so there especially I want to shore up but reading eod they looked good I thought. I had knights as towney before I left because I thought his general frustrations and vibe was pure but due diligence etc. With Grr I've just kind of mostly been going off others read there but I also just haven't felt any real pings when real timing with them either. I feel like this trio holds a lot of the keys for my personal view of the game because if I can clear them I think my other town reads are quite strong which leaves the game pretty manageable. Then on the other side I feel if I'm just calling them town and overlooking them when one is actually a wolf they can certainly get in a good spot and take the game down and I just wanna make sure etc.


- I want to take Dya's opinion that I'm just attributing things that normally work for Neb into a unique game where it's easy for that approach to misfire as well as newcombs/(was it ladd also? id have to check) take that I am giving Maple town cred for things I shouldn't be giving and just make sure I'm not overlooking something there. Both of those were reads I felt stronger about than anyone in the above trio but having brushback from people I trust is making me want to shore it up.

- I'd like to explore my opinions on Monte more because I feel like that's a spot that if I'm right is a critical town to save and if I'm wrong then I need to back off asap.

[didistetter]

@theknightsofneeee assume jan is mafia for a minute: where do you go and how does your worldview shift? you votecamped him all d1 and are doing it again today, and frankly. this feels like a very unproductive tunnel.

you also made the bulk of your posts d1 in response to the push on you, and instead of leveraging your cred from voting syn eod to be productive and solve with people, have just still kept the view you head yesterday.

there are probs 4 wolves left, in a world jan is town, what does that mean for your reads and perception of d1?

@Vanta Black what are your thoughts on thread? ik keeping up with a lot of posts is hard, but surely you have some thoughts off general vibes and d1 elim and whatnot? im getting a bit of deja vu to speccing you in champs, where you leaned on being lost and behind a lot to avoid engagement. i think your tone is a lot purer here, but i'd appreciate your thoughts


Vote: Enderwiggin

i wanna give benben the benefit of the doubt and here what bop and maple have to say, and im unimpressed with ender's engagement today.

we need to make some meaningful wagons, this is kinda useless for pressure

Maple (2) Ladd, Dolby,
Enderwiggin (2) Nebjiamn, Didistetter
Nebjiamn (2) Insomnia, Gemma
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Dolby (1) ColonelLubriderm
Raskolnikov (1) Enderwiggin
Gemma (1) Wisdom
Theknightsofneeee (1) Raskolnikov
Not voting (8) Arctic, Maple, Jan, dyachei, Vanta Black, Sunbae, Montmorency, Grr


@Arctic
@dyachei
@grr
@Jan
@Maple
@Montmorency
@Sunbae
@Vanta Black

if y'all had to vote someone right meow, where would you go and why?

[ColonelLubriderm]

so are you confirming yes, maple is actually your neighbor/lover and you do actually share a chat and he actually is being towny in chat? @ColonelLubriderm

also not trying to be rude, just trying to find out: what's your track record with neighbor chats and being pocketed or finding wolves?

I think I’m 0-1 with maple specifically before this game but it wasn’t the neighbor chat that made me think he was a villa it was the fact he didn’t execute me when he had the ability to;

[didistetter]

dammit

Vote: Enderwiggin

[didistetter]

I think I’m 0-1 with maple specifically before this game but it wasn’t the neighbor chat that made me think he was a villa it was the fact he didn’t execute me when he had the ability to;

wym?

you were never a lead wagon

[Dolby]

Vote: EnderWiggin

maybe I'm just wrong on Syn/Wisdom not being w/w tbh

[ColonelLubriderm]

wym?

you were never a lead wagon

In the game previous I had a chat with him

[Sunbae]

That right Ben and sunbae;

Hide in your discord you mangy wolves

Bops on the prowl and he’s feeling himself

Figuratively

Sorry I was making cup noodle

[didistetter]

Opening thread before falling asleep was a mistake.

I voted Gemma because I think she’s the most likely to be a wolf. I tried pushing Vanta and Ben before that but exactly 0 things happened so I went back to Gemma.

My PoE is largely the same because I believe in them, the way I solve is getting a PoE through finding town reads then finding things that people in my PoE has done that's town indicative (like Bop) and checking whom I've called town for bad reasons (like Vanta). There are some slots that I've got a lot of experience with and have no clue how to read, so instead I listen to what others says about them and try to form an opinion based on that (like Insomnia).

And then there is you and this is a me problem but you have no idea how hard I analyzed your play in sf1 last year and that is now how I expect you to play as town, which of course isn't fair. It's just bugging me that you blatantly said in your first post that you're not going to play like that and that exact move is what I expect w!you to do. But I recognize that pretty much everyone else town reads you, you solve in a towny way and you have oomph and is probably thread spewed town, so I have no reason to sus you unless you're alive in lategame. I kinda expected you to be nk'd. It still bugs my head though, I'm looking the Stett that went completely bananas in her mission to solve the game every single day and she simply isn't here ^^

But I mean, I'm obviously not playing my all-in game here either. I've mostly been on phone (which I avoid in Champs games if I can) and I struggle to connect with games where most action happens in my sleep and since I can't be here at EoD I can't really influence who dies (or save myself, hence I've been misyeeted on every Org game I've played) so I'm just in my own cloud trying to solve for my own sake, only giving input when I think it's worth anything.

And yeah the wall yeet post was a joke and a reminder because I've had to skip a few posts which always sucks because people are putting in effort into them that I can't comprehend without proper focus.

Sorry if I come off as aggressive, your thoughts are valid and I'm just tired <3 Good night friend, I'll adress any further issues tomorrow.
@didistetter

ngl, an outside perspective would help a lot here tbh.

@nebjiamn @ColonelLubriderm @Arctic is this wolfy or am i being uncharitable?

[didistetter]

In the game previous I had a chat with him

but what does that have to do with his alignment this game?

im confused what you're saying ngl

[nebjiamn]

yeah im game

i kind of want to shore up a few things:

- That gemma/grr/knights section in my list. With Gemma/Knights counterwagons to syn near eod I've been boosting them both up (also for voting Syn and I think being villagery on their own to boot,) but I do want to just double check that it's not a blind spot where we had a couple wolves wagoned and they had to consolidate on each other and I give them false credit. Gemma I didn't really have a read on before the eod and vote so there especially I want to shore up but reading eod they looked good I thought. I had knights as towney before I left because I thought his general frustrations and vibe was pure but due diligence etc. With Grr I've just kind of mostly been going off others read there but I also just haven't felt any real pings when real timing with them either. I feel like this trio holds a lot of the keys for my personal view of the game because if I can clear them I think my other town reads are quite strong which leaves the game pretty manageable. Then on the other side I feel if I'm just calling them town and overlooking them when one is actually a wolf they can certainly get in a good spot and take the game down and I just wanna make sure etc.


- I want to take Dya's opinion that I'm just attributing things that normally work for Neb into a unique game where it's easy for that approach to misfire as well as newcombs/(was it ladd also? id have to check) take that I am giving Maple town cred for things I shouldn't be giving and just make sure I'm not overlooking something there. Both of those were reads I felt stronger about than anyone in the above trio but having brushback from people I trust is making me want to shore it up.

- I'd like to explore my opinions on Monte more because I feel like that's a spot that if I'm right is a critical town to save and if I'm wrong then I need to back off asap.

can you summarize your thoughts on monte for me (or link me to where you talk about him?)

i liked his entrance yesterday after being gone all day

[didistetter]

Vote: EnderWiggin

maybe I'm just wrong on Syn/Wisdom not being w/w tbh

why vote ender then instead of wisdom?

[ColonelLubriderm]

Vote: enderwiggin

[Dolby]

why vote ender then instead of wisdom?

did you see my prior post?

[Dolby]

not voting toDay

1. dyachei > they feel like their usual villa. reads, reevals, visible frustration for being sussed for lolsies. Not sure them trying to tie me up with Syn at SOD is AI, will see what they make of it. voted Syn
2. Arctic, Just feel villa, determined pushing his reads, (some of them I actually noded along - coucou Mapoule), punted a wolf
3. Didistetter. first game with them (outside recent mash), feels good tonally, solvey all around, coming with original and usefull hindsights/perspectives (Ladd/Benneh on top of my head) that help solving imo

prolly just villagers too

8. Ladd > allready posted enough about him I guess. I think if he was wolfing with Syn I'd be dead. not in the upper tier because #thefear
10. Gemma much more content than the game they woofed here earlier this year. detrimental to getting Syn yeeted.
13. insomnia prolly villaging too. I was afraid me clearing him for microreasons D1 was dumb since I generally have him villa faster (Bennehs game we played in may at MU being an instance, I had him lock villa D1), but I dunno, he sounds like solving villa!insom with a dose of "I am getting D1ed in every mash" ptsd

true nulls

4. Vanta Black. can go either way. I am, dunno how to phrase it correctly so excuse me if it hurts, getting a bit bored at the "I am an overwhelmed noob" attitude ( particularly because I've seen it as either alignment, on various sites) (take that shade Vanta, with love)
5. nebjiamn. Think benneh hasn't started playing. Noted an interesting post about how to read Sunbae, with a town lean on Sunbae, which helps. (tier are unordered but he is the null I feel the best with Sunbae)
6. Sunbae, prolly villaging. Lilked their stance on dya. Felt townie and based. (yes I am a sucker for pockety post lol, can't help it) Liked their reaction to me confusing them with sheep and expressing a sus. He isn't on the above tier because I feel he is still lacking some solving effort (for Sunbae I mean, sorry to have you in high regard, I know it's annoying to be expected a delivery every other game) and also #thefear2 (sorry I still remember that small game from 2 years ago u did us good friendo)
21. C0balt (now Dolby). really null. nothing to say (didn't notice Cobalt posting, just people giving him a day pass for irl reasons; Dolby not ketchup; pending)

trending down nulls

11. grr people say they are pure and villagery. Still didn't like their votes on Newcomb and me and the reasoning behind them (Newcomb not having a solve 10 hours in and me reading him in good faith in their clash with Maple lol. Like he posted a lot of stuff but he chooses this reason to cast his final vote... riiighht). Didn't like most of their lamist posts
12. EnderWiggin lol openwolfing as usual (add to that dude rands wolf more often that I eat cheese and baguettes)
16. ColonelLubriderm need to read more. But disliked their opening and their push on me. Well people say this is villa!Bop for the most part but I don't like it still. Prolly worth a full ISO before EOD2.
19. Montmorency null. But I noticed he tryed to pocket me, which feels "unusual" to say the least. Nothing damning but prolly needs to produce more content for me to get there
14. Wisdom (<3) Not sure how to say it but I think they have tryed to misrep me multiple time already
- when they talked loudly about me not wanting to rand wolf this game - lmao as if they were tones of peeps willing to woof in this village, come on - but surprisingly never told the thread I promised to kill them immediatly too in that world
- when they talked about my stance on Bop
- when they exchanged with Jan about what I'd do wolfing with Syn (like it's dumb to think I actually know what I would do in the first place. depends of opponents, his thread position, mine, general game plan etc... I mean I can post science fiction to shade people too)
> They aren't lower because I have a bad record with them and they have their very special way of producing reads. But like, I have a bad taste on my mouth.

immediate POE

9. Jan, allready posted about him. Not convinced about their EOD posts and their explanations. His PR post is so fucking wolfy I won't write an essay about it but yeah
18. Maple. Working on small pings, lacking global solving. inverted what. See artic's ISO for details. He does match what I remember from villa!him tonally but it is dumb for such a player. Feels performative (somebody with more Manti xp tells me if that's AI)
20. Theknightsofneeee Bad entrance, meh follow up, noded along when cased by Newcomb. Tunneled on Jan (they aren't prolly with them so I am wrong somewhere but it's my read aorn, help me getting there)

These are prolly dumb, lacking, but that's the business state rn. I could use town cases on my POE and tell me why me villa reading some folks feels off. Sorry some of them are ego reads but I have been lacking time D1 and couldn't sponged all the thread (need to threadcamp for that, skill issue)

Skimmed Rask's ISO. He isn't lock but tbh I think he's > rand town

I feel like this is how v Rask makes his reads. I think that he should have re-eved on Knights but meh. Reads on Dya, Arctic, and Vanta especially feel like just Rask things, would need to read Wisdom to eval claims made in his read on them tbh

[nebjiamn]

ngl, an outside perspective would help a lot here tbh.

@nebjiamn @ColonelLubriderm @Arctic is this wolfy or am i being uncharitable?

the 4th and 5th paragraph ping me as a bit appealy and excuse-y but you probly need to highlight or espouse what you are seeing here

i also think their read on you feels a bit bad faith lol but ymmv

[Dolby]

crashing in 30 minutes, AMA

[ColonelLubriderm]

why vote ender then instead of wisdom?

I don’t know about Dolby but for me; wisdom not ripe yet; ender is a wolf in a lot of worlds with wisdom, in addition he can be a wolf in worlds where wisdom is just a V; and I know benneh was pushing on him and I think if he’s a wolf I can vocalize reasons why benneh is more likely a villa but the most important reason of all

I wanna see what happens

[nebjiamn]

crashing in 30 minutes, AMA

whats it like being the founder and supreme leader of a totalitarian and authoritarian regime that has subsisted for 3 generations ( so far)

[Sunbae]

can you summarize your thoughts on monte for me (or link me to where you talk about him?)

i liked his entrance yesterday after being gone all day

My feelings on Mont are that they rolled into eod with wagons of Gemma, Syn, Knights. Chatted a few minutes then broke it down by saying Knights is not a good vote for today, the Syn wagon is trustworthy and Syn has a history of getting outed by meta-havers but notes the Rask read, and Gemma is the person he has the strongest negative opinion on. Calls Knights towny again. At this point wagons are knights/gemma both at 4, rask 3, syn 2. Votes Rask. Vote count is posted where he sees Rask 4/Knights 3/Gemma 3/Sheep 3/Syn 2 and he unvotes. Then as Syn gets wagoned more just says hopefully the info remember me Gemma and the day ends.

I've made the argument earlier that praising the syn wagon, defending the counterwagon, and unvoting all make it more likely that Mont is villa with no eod agenda. Writing it all out in detail has me less locked on it once I see that the unvote came with Syn as 5th wagon when I thought Syn was one of the main counterwagons on the unvote. Hmm.

[Dolby]

Just so I have this in thread I should probably eval Ladd. i actively think Benneh is town, not super confident in Jan, I think if hypothetically one of him and Rask had to be wolves I'd go him (though I'd go Maple before both). Ladd I should probably ISO but to tired to, I feel like not voting Syn given his earlier comments is bad vibes

[ColonelLubriderm]

but what does that have to do with his alignment this game?

im confused what you're saying ngl

You asked about my previous record in neighbor chats and I was referring to a previous game I had a neighborhood chat with maple

[Dolby]

whats it like being the founder and supreme leader of a totalitarian and authoritarian regime that has subsisted for 3 generations ( so far)

Korea is a people's democracy, and the people love me, my son, and my grandson. Why else would we get 100% of the vote with 100% turnout in the last five elections?

Juche has led us to victory in our lives, and will lead us to victory in this game. Commit yourself to self reliance, and you will eliminate the American wolves one by one.

[Sunbae]

stett, probs wont vote anyone right now tbh

[ColonelLubriderm]

Did you know that according to some people I’m half Irish and half Jamaican

[nebjiamn]

My feelings on Mont are that they rolled into eod with wagons of Gemma, Syn, Knights. Chatted a few minutes then broke it down by saying Knights is not a good vote for today, the Syn wagon is trustworthy and Syn has a history of getting outed by meta-havers but notes the Rask read, and Gemma is the person he has the strongest negative opinion on. Calls Knights towny again. At this point wagons are knights/gemma both at 4, rask 3, syn 2. Votes Rask. Vote count is posted where he sees Rask 4/Knights 3/Gemma 3/Sheep 3/Syn 2 and he unvotes. Then as Syn gets wagoned more just says hopefully the info remember me Gemma and the day ends.

I've made the argument earlier that praising the syn wagon, defending the counterwagon, and unvoting all make it more likely that Mont is villa with no eod agenda. Writing it all out in detail has me less locked on it once I see that the unvote came with Syn as 5th wagon when I thought Syn was one of the main counterwagons on the unvote. Hmm.

i agree withy our sentiment written out tbh

i dont wana overplay mont's 'strategy' bone here but i feel like his strat as a syn!teammate entering day late and being around for EoD is to do anything but what he did. i dont really remember if ive seen him wolf so this might be a dumb read but this play lines up with my view of him as a villager around EoD and he doest strike me as someone that keeps that same process/tone as a wolf. i feel like he's prob way more straightforward as wolf and straight forward would be just voting someone else or spinning his wagon spiel without invoking syn

minor take that this isn't the case if ther's other wolves wagoned at eod and theres just malarkey going on where syn is the lamb wolves have to bus but i dont think its worth living in that world atm

[nebjiamn]

Did you know that according to some people I’m half Irish and half Jamaican

i had to run anni just to put it into MU lore that you are, in fact, the world's best haitian werewolf player

[ColonelLubriderm]

I’m slightly V reading mont for unvoting to make the three way tie because I was contemplating something similar to see what people did

[nebjiamn]

Did you know that according to some people I’m half Irish and half Jamaican

also one of my favorite little party 'tricks' is to have ppl connect how the jamaican accent originates from the irish accent and ppl dont realize it til they try doing both

it blows ppls minds a lot

(just dont look into why that is the case)

[ColonelLubriderm]

i had to run anni just to put it into MU lore that you are, in fact, the world's best haitian werewolf player

Weird my autocorrect went from Haitian to Jamaican

Seems problematic