Tarot Mafia

[didistetter]

the 4th and 5th paragraph ping me as a bit appealy and excuse-y but you probly need to highlight or espouse what you are seeing here

i also think their read on you feels a bit bad faith lol but ymmv

it was the making excuses part, but also:

And then there is you and this is a me problem but you have no idea how hard I analyzed your play in sf1 last year and that is now how I expect you to play as town, which of course isn't fair. It's just bugging me that you blatantly said in your first post that you're not going to play like that and that exact move is what I expect w!you to do. But I recognize that pretty much everyone else town reads you, you solve in a towny way and you have oomph and is probably thread spewed town, so I have no reason to sus you unless you're alive in lategame. I kinda expected you to be nk'd. It still bugs my head though, I'm looking the Stett that went completely bananas in her mission to solve the game every single day and she simply isn't here ^^

idk: it kinda feels like they're treating me as town, but avoiding making the read?
frankly it was something that pinged me from u d1 a lil too :P
this just kinda feels hollow tbh, and it feels like either they're salty im being townread or they just arent bothering to read anything i say

like: they keep bringing up the fact that i said i wasnt gonna wallpost in my first post of the game: but ive literally wallposted multiples times since then.

mostly trying to figure out if im wearing sus-colored lenses, or if its actually shady @nebjiamn

obviously im self biased, but i think my d1 was p damn intentioned to solve as 75 posts allows

[ColonelLubriderm]

sick ty

i actually kinda eyed dyas post too (not for the activity disclaimer, more for the "but im sure yall will wolfread me" part) so i was kinda mildmelding.

imo he has a lot more verve than the time's i've wolved with him, but mashes are a dif beast.

seeing ur thoughts helps tho, so ty for obliging

Vote: C0balt

cobalt, what about sheep's read was TMI as opposed to the like 5 other slots that tr me for w/e reason?

I’m pretty sure I have 11 posts left after this one. I’m gonna shush now

[nebjiamn]

it was the making excuses part, but also:



idk: it kinda feels like they're treating me as town, but avoiding making the read?
frankly it was something that pinged me from u d1 a lil too :P
this just kinda feels hollow tbh, and it feels like either they're salty im being townread or they just arent bothering to read anything i say

like: they keep bringing up the fact that i said i wasnt gonna wallpost in my first post of the game: but ive literally wallposted multiples times since then.

mostly trying to figure out if im wearing sus-colored lenses, or if its actually shady @nebjiamn

obviously im self biased, but i think my d1 was p damn intentioned to solve as 75 posts allows

that is the part i was referring to fwiw

ill play devils advocate a bit: what purpose does her not acking you as town do as wolf here on d2?

why it pinged you from me makes sense given our history but like, you are solidified in your position as top town-ish here, no amount of work from wisdom here is going to affect that today if that's her intent. could she not just pocket you or acknowledge a townread oand move along and just NK you tonight?

[nebjiamn]

if wisdom's a wolf ladd is probly also one

[Dolby]

What, why did the site delete my reads? Can't stuff be put inside (smaller than) and (bigger than) symbols?

Immediate PoE 3-5 wolves (unordered):
Arctic
Bop
Dya
Gemma
Knights
Maple
Monte
Sunbae
Vanta

Least confident town reads (Unordered):
Benneh
C0balt
Insomnia
Sheep
Stett
Syn

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I won't be able to be here 3 hours before EoD ever, but today I'm going to a boardgame event as well, just an fyi!

On my phone because I have no self control, but I kinda hate this list in retrospect. We’ve got Arctic, who the worst that I can say about is that he defended Syn, and he did that while standing against the “rask first” discourse which I think is easily to hop onto if he is a wolf

Bop who I think is visibly pretty strongly town from start of day

Dya who is just fine tbh

Gemma who had a really good EoD but Wisdom obvs couldn’t have known that

Knights who, while a popular sus I also think looked good to me during d1

Maple/monte/vanta who are all w/e slots

Sunbae who tbh idk how I feel about sunbae

[theknightsofneeee]

I vaguely skimmed but i'm too tired/not sober enough to respond atm, i'll answer tomorrow.

thx for all the birthday well wishes <3

[Dolby]

I really should stop playing on phone why am I like this.

Apparently all but Monte has posted but it feels like I missed half the playerlist.

The way Ender solves through relaxing and vibing is something that I associate with his town game.

On the other side, Cobalt seems a bit stiff and forced. For some reason his post on this page, about him liking people talking about him, wasn't in his ISO (I'm going insane). It felt real though.

Rask... for some reason I expected him to be more hype than he's shown so far, but I know that he really didn't want to rand wolf this game and I'd think he'd put more effort into seeming solvy than he's done so he's probably town anyway.

I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset. @Raskolnikov I think you know why I'm worried, can you explain why you instantly locked him town?

Newcomb/Ladd is unlikely w/w and I feel like I agree with everything they say even when I don't. So, hopefully both are town and shouldn't be too hard to find them if they're alive wolves in later game.

Jan is still town. Retracting town leans on Sheep and Stett for the time being.

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I also think that this post is super agendad if Rask is v looking back at it

I’m Cobalt and town

I feel that Ender is wolfing rn and I think the reasoning for the townread here is really weak

But more importantly I think this may be being used as a cheap way to say “hey im sussing Syn, but blame Rask if this is wrong”. Their reasons for townreading Rask are also pretty nebulous “Rask is less hype than I expect” should not be a reason to townread him when he doesn’t want to wolf here(I also don’t think that Rask seemed solve at this point in the thread). Its using Rask to just avoid Syn

I suppose it’s a good look that Wisdom entered d2 calling Rask wrong town. At the same time the reasoning just seems off to me. Rask outside calling Syn lock town super early didn’t do much with him besides when he was specifically addressed on the read. And Syn ended up placing Rask at the bottom of his reads list

[Dolby]

@EnderWiggin if you’re town and able to real time I can try to find you before EOD, though I’m going to be afk from now until basically five hours before

[didistetter]

if wisdom's a wolf ladd is probly also one

how d'ya reckon?

[Dolby]

Thinking on reflection my take on Enders EOD is bad and he’s just trying to get knights to go over but I don’t like him being on knights in the first place

[ladd]

if wisdom's a wolf ladd is probly also one

Yea i def look bad if wisdom is a wolf eheh


I think their d2 is worse than their d1 (their bottom 3 being dolby/vanta/monty(?)) seems uh not great. I still like their d1 but idk how much it carries over

Bop, i did go back to look at the post you said to me wrt sheep but i just tend to not really care about pr reads

[ladd]

I also think that this post is super agendad if Rask is v looking back at it

I’m Cobalt and town

I feel that Ender is wolfing rn and I think the reasoning for the townread here is really weak

But more importantly I think this may be being used as a cheap way to say “hey im sussing Syn, but blame Rask if this is wrong”. Their reasons for townreading Rask are also pretty nebulous “Rask is less hype than I expect” should not be a reason to townread him when he doesn’t want to wolf here(I also don’t think that Rask seemed solve at this point in the thread). Its using Rask to just avoid Syn

I suppose it’s a good look that Wisdom entered d2 calling Rask wrong town. At the same time the reasoning just seems off to me. Rask outside calling Syn lock town super early didn’t do much with him besides when he was specifically addressed on the read. And Syn ended up placing Rask at the bottom of his reads list

Ill play devils advocate - wisdom could have just said syn is a villager cause of rask read without asking rask to kinda revaluate the read like they did here

[ladd]

yeah im game

i kind of want to shore up a few things:

- That gemma/grr/knights section in my list. With Gemma/Knights counterwagons to syn near eod I've been boosting them both up (also for voting Syn and I think being villagery on their own to boot,) but I do want to just double check that it's not a blind spot where we had a couple wolves wagoned and they had to consolidate on each other and I give them false credit. Gemma I didn't really have a read on before the eod and vote so there especially I want to shore up but reading eod they looked good I thought. I had knights as towney before I left because I thought his general frustrations and vibe was pure but due diligence etc. With Grr I've just kind of mostly been going off others read there but I also just haven't felt any real pings when real timing with them either. I feel like this trio holds a lot of the keys for my personal view of the game because if I can clear them I think my other town reads are quite strong which leaves the game pretty manageable. Then on the other side I feel if I'm just calling them town and overlooking them when one is actually a wolf they can certainly get in a good spot and take the game down and I just wanna make sure etc.


- I want to take Dya's opinion that I'm just attributing things that normally work for Neb into a unique game where it's easy for that approach to misfire as well as newcombs/(was it ladd also? id have to check) take that I am giving Maple town cred for things I shouldn't be giving and just make sure I'm not overlooking something there. Both of those were reads I felt stronger about than anyone in the above trio but having brushback from people I trust is making me want to shore it up.

- I'd like to explore my opinions on Monte more because I feel like that's a spot that if I'm right is a critical town to save and if I'm wrong then I need to back off asap.

@Sunbae id be absolute shocked if grrr is a wolf, you can safely add them to lack clears. I can easily make an argument that doesnt rely on meta later if you want but like meta wise he is just a villager

Think benneh /insomnia at the very least will agree with me

[insomnia]

ye im giving the stamp of approval

if he's wolf you can put the clowning on my tab

[ladd]

Idk i am kinda scared to defend people i am not like at least 95% sure are villas because i dont have a clear wolrdview right now beyond "these guis are villagers, the wolves are in the rest"

But i kinda like ender posting, i feel he is being more direct in his pushes tham his wolf game where it felt like he was giving himself outs; he had an interrsting worldview d1; he had some funny eod posts and has felt in flow; reaction to dolby push seemed villagery. On the negative side his eod is not great but i am not sure its really wolfy?


I am almost inclined to say wisdom is a more likely wolf to me than ender

Guess we'll see what ender has to say, but thats my 2 cents atm

[Raskolnikov]

Jan, grr, Dolby all trending up for me in the last hours (from my readlist post).

Wisdom/Ender slowly but surely closing in immediate poe area.

What I need to do before EOD is completly reread knights and Maple (pls post pal).

Oh benneh prolly just villa, Bop too maybe? I vibe with it, will check what it means when i reordered friendos and have a zoom out view. Prolly means I got wrong on Ladd (would be sadge regarding turns of events smh).

Also need to figure out knights/Jan dichotomy (rn i refuse to not confbiased and think knights is wolfing but fr I wanna look into it again)

@Dolby: all hail the supreme leader! (Ur post brought good memories of discord mafia, sad ur pings come at 4am my time these days lol)

[Raskolnikov]

Oh Monty I will check the december game u talked about in roughly 6 hours or so.

[insomnia]

this game kinda feels like one of those ones where dayplay doesn't matter until EoD where we will just coalesce on the wolves somehow, some way

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[Wisdom]

Sorry about the tone in the last post.

Stett you're right that I haven't focused you that much but I still think there's a huge difference from that game.

I'm going away for a family gathering for the rest of the day and might not be able to be here except for popins, and since I'm a focus slot right now I'm just going to claim.

I am Strength, a 2-shot firefighter.

That means there are likely an arsonist, wolf or 3p, hence why I think Sheep wasn't killed by wolf kp.

I have played games with firefighters without arsonists tho so who knows :wowee:

[Jan]

Sorry about the tone in the last post.

Stett you're right that I haven't focused you that much but I still think there's a huge difference from that game.

I'm going away for a family gathering for the rest of the day and might not be able to be here except for popins, and since I'm a focus slot right now I'm just going to claim.

I am Strength, a 2-shot firefighter.

That means there are likely an arsonist, wolf or 3p, hence why I think Sheep wasn't killed by wolf kp.

I have played games with firefighters without arsonists tho so who knows :wowee:

And here I was thinking you tracked one of your villa reads to the kill.

[Gemma]

mmmmmm

why do you consider saying a wagon looks good but avoiding it unpartnered? felt like avoiding the wagon while trying to distance to me.

i actually really hated the unvote, its something ive seen a *lot* from maf recently with contentious wagons. they dont want to join the wagon on partner b/c their previous approach to the slot doesn't justify it, and it would risk getting called out as a busvote, so they unvote the cw as light distancing.

i think insomn voting and making it 3/3/3 would def be easy to anticipate from wolves that it put syn at major risk, b/c knights and rask (if town) could self pres there, and i/dya had previously indicated interest in the wagon, so it could easily build, which it did. both knights and i almost instantly voted syn after insomn made it a viable option.

i don't really buy either of these as pros for mont

[Gemma]

huh why is wisdom claiming what did i miss

[Gemma]

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is there any connection between the Strength tarot card and the Judgement tarot card

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In the Tarot, the Strength card and the Judgement card each have their own distinct meanings, but they do share some thematic connections. Here's how they relate:
1. Inner Power vs. Awakening:

Strength: This card represents inner strength, courage, and the ability to overcome challenges through patience, compassion, and understanding rather than brute force. It often symbolizes self-control and the mastery of one's emotions.
Judgement: The Judgement card is about awakening, renewal, and the realization of one's higher purpose. It suggests a time of reflection, transformation, and the need to make important decisions. This card often represents a spiritual or personal rebirth.

2. Personal Growth:

Both cards are associated with personal growth, but they approach it from different angles. Strength focuses on the internal process of mastering oneself, while Judgement is about external realization and transformation based on inner truths.

3. Courage and Transformation:

Strength can be seen as the courage needed to face life's challenges, which ultimately leads to the transformative energy of Judgement. The courage symbolized by Strength can lead one to a moment of truth or a pivotal decision, which is what Judgement represents.

4. Overcoming and Moving Forward:

In a sequence, one could interpret Strength as the necessary step to overcome obstacles, which then allows for the awakening or renewal symbolized by Judgement. After mastering one's inner struggles (Strength), one is ready to face a new phase of life with clarity and purpose (Judgement).

5. Major Arcana Themes:

Both cards are part of the Major Arcana, which deal with significant life themes and lessons. They each represent crucial stages in the journey of self-discovery and spiritual growth.

In summary, while Strength and Judgement are distinct in their primary meanings, they are connected through their shared themes of personal empowerment, transformation, and the progression of the self toward a higher understanding or state of being.

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[Raskolnikov]

huh why is wisdom claiming what did i miss

They got talked about basically, so I guess they are anticipating an incoming wagon. pondering judgement on it rn.

[insomnia]

@didistetter

that was a quick 5 minute read on manti, lol

i definitely have some things that im concerned with. firstly, he's mentioned about twice now that certain things don't put people "out of wolfrange" and it was regarding me and you. this feels like an odd comment to make as a villager on 2 people you have never played with, but it particularly bugs me cuz without meta i thought i was pretty villagery that d1, so the "doesn't put you out of wolfrange" thing looks more like trying to fake consideration for me

also, i've changed my feelings around his ih thing. initially a lot of us thought he was villagery for pushing ih and even ih said so and he portrayed it as manti misreading ih once again, but it doesn't actually really read like a misread. manti just asked a question and once he couldn't make sense of what ih was saying he decided to call him a wolf for it, which fmpov it looks a little premature and isn't an actual read, cuz it's based on ih just not understanding something, so anyone could point out that mistake in ih's posting.

the problem that i have is that if i know i've misread someone 3 times now, i would firstly try to clarify what that person meant before calling them as a wolf. that's what i don't like about manti in that progression, because looking back it kinda looks like leveraging that status of "misreading the person i always do", but he just went on to call him a wolf before any clarifying went down.

if i wolfread someone it's because i feel like their process is so weird that any weird thing i see i'd just see it as villagery as a reflex, so i don't get why manti was calling him a wolf for it. i'd understand if he'd first clarify what ih meant and then have an opinion, but calling him out for some obviously hella weird stuff i doubt would be conducive to a great read, especially when it's obvious there must be a misunderstanding.

hope that makes a little sense. this doesn't really change his stance in my PoE, but i guess im more informed about what he's done this game

[insomnia]

man it's so hard to lunch ladd, lol

even though objectively i feel like im correct to make that call, there's something that just doesn't allow me to vote him

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[Raskolnikov]

Actually I think that claim is kinda clean, interested by the follow up and Maple has to say about it (would arsoned tracks with inverted?)

[insomnia]

man i keep reading over my own posts and idk why im so rambly, i feel like i can't articulate my points well enough this game. gonna work on that if im alive for D3

basically, it was glaringly obvious that IH made a blunder in his posting, but i don't feel like that blunder is wolf motivated and it was just a misunderstanding. the fact that manti called him a wolf for it is shady, especially given the context he's meant to "misread him"

and i know this would tip people to believe that it'd actually be villagery, but i think he's just trying to leverage that status because anyone would be able to see IH just fumbled on posting and it wasn't actually alignment indicative. manti poking at that spot feels like an easy jab to throw in order to replicate that misreading status, as opposed to something actually alignment indicative in ih's posting

hope this makes more sense

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[ladd]

I've got reasons to believe Sheep was killed by town btw

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that was the soft, if people care

man it's so hard to lunch ladd, lol

even though objectively i feel like im correct to make that call, there's something that just doesn't allow me to vote him

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thats cause deep down you know i am a villager



this is post 37

[insomnia]

i've went on to check at which point syn places maple in his top tier of villas, and it was neither after maple has done the ih back and forth thing and nor when there was a mindmeld of like 3-4 people calling manti a villager for the 6 word thing

however, sunbae expressed that he liked the 6 word post and also newcomb made a post saying "i hate that i like this". idk if these actions would be enough for syn to put maple in top tier. if only they wouldn't give a read for manti, i'd take it as a pretty big good sign for maple cuz i doubt wolves villa read each other like that when they have nothing to villa read each other on, but i guess there was no shade thrown on maple and 2 prolific players expressed good thoughts on him, even though they weren't as confident as later.

i'd still take it as a small plus sign but lower confidence

and i also dont know what bop is claiming. i guess im holding maple on the backburner, not sure if im ghanna vote him today despite everything i've written