Tarot Mafia

[insomnia]

im sure knights was grilled for this, but isoing on this site is literal pain so gonna make my job easier
@theknightsofneeee

why did you villa read syn so early? you gave a reason of "he was pushing bop" but all he did was a naked vote, so i don't understand

[ColonelLubriderm]

@Wisdom

How does firefighter work ?

Do you clean douses or do you prevent someone from being doused

[Vanta Black]

@didistetter I had a whole reads list, which was very heavily weighted on players I know/have played with being town, so I recalibrated. As of right now, and these are not so much reads as impressions:

Arctic--leaning town, mainly because he wrote a post that i think if he was a wolf he would have edited it
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
ColonelLubriderm--I know I was kinda down on him yesterday because his posts seemed forced but I think Syn spewed him clear at some point. town lean.
Didistetter--Seems to be very aggressive player. Widely townread, but I'm a bit contrarian so not yet.
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
dyachei--hard for me to read, I kinda vibed with "I'll get wolfread" though
EnderWiggen--I'm looking back at votes on him, I kind of had the same impression I had yesterday of Col. Lube, posts a little forced. But this is someone I have played with before and I've got to temper my urge to think he's wolfy because I've done that when he was town
Gemma--oh man. She's entertaining. I did like her vote on Syn, and she posted a good read list today. I never did figure out how she reversed her read on syn yesterday but for that I wouldn't vote her (but if I had a dayvig...)
grr--seems kind of contrarian, and I kinda like that. Probably not a good reason but I have TRed for less.
jan--my strongest town atm, even though he didn't give me a card
insomnia--no real opinion, sorry
ladd--did he post a cat picture? I think that was somebody else. Null atm
Maple--I really liked Maple's posts yesterday. I haven't really changed my opinion
Montmorency--no idea
nebjiamn Benneh--getting a cat? Cannot decide whether wolfy or towny for the cat thing
Sunbae--is not standing out in my memory, will reread
Raskolnikov--he is a very good wolf, also very good town. It would be hard for me to vote him today despite some pings--a lilttle defensive about defending Syn yesterday.
theknightsofneee--aside from the annoying username, which I'm probably typing wrong, SL on this one, can't really say why
Wisdom--I'm trying to get over the fact that in the last game here I sort of tunneled her and then she turned out to be town. I know she is a really good player as either alignment. Wouldn't vote today. Would like to know what folks think who have played more with her.

You have posted a vote count every now and then--where are you getting them? I kinda suspect you are just keeping track. What I've got right now in terms of votes:

EnderWiggen 3: Dolby, ColonelLubridern, didistetter
Gemma 1: Wisdom
Maple 1: ladd
nebgiamn 1: Gemma
Raskolnikov 1: EnderWiggen
Sunbae 1: grr

Not voting: Arctic, dyachei, Maple, Montmorency, nebgiamn, Sunbae, Theknightsofneee, Vanta Black

I feel like there ought to be more votes. I tend not to vote a lot when the game host is keeping track manually, or probably in general now that I think of it. Right now my vote would be on Montmorency because according to my notes hardly anybody has said anything about him.

[Vanta Black]

@Raskolnikov, I am not claiming to be a noob (even though compared to a lot of the players here, I kinda am) but I will admit to being overwhelmed. Just a bit. I think it is mean that you did not offer me a virtual mojito with that post. I coulda used it.

[ColonelLubriderm]

i've went on to check at which point syn places maple in his top tier of villas, and it was neither after maple has done the ih back and forth thing and nor when there was a mindmeld of like 3-4 people calling manti a villager for the 6 word thing

however, sunbae expressed that he liked the 6 word post and also newcomb made a post saying "i hate that i like this". idk if these actions would be enough for syn to put maple in top tier. if only they wouldn't give a read for manti, i'd take it as a pretty big good sign for maple cuz i doubt wolves villa read each other like that when they have nothing to villa read each other on, but i guess there was no shade thrown on maple and 2 prolific players expressed good thoughts on him, even though they weren't as confident as later.

i'd still take it as a small plus sign but lower confidence

and i also dont know what bop is claiming. i guess im holding maple on the backburner, not sure if im ghanna vote him today despite everything i've written

Im claiming nothing wrt maples alignment; vote what your heart wants

Im only saying I enjoy the neighborhood.



If wisdom is a wolf I would dumpster on maple 10/10 times because his claim I think gives credence to maple being reverse uno’d or whatever shit he says happened to him because for all I know that’s what you could argue a dousing would be in tarot card flavor

[Raskolnikov]

@Sunbae: me saying earlier I might be wrong on Ladd is because if we think Bop is real wrt his pr read on sheep, w!Ladd sure has more inclination to go for sheep as cw than me. So my reason to dismiss Ladd might not be valid in the first place. Sucks tbh.

@ladd: thoughts on the soft and the claim being unrelated? (Speaking of Wis ofc)

[ladd]

@Sunbae: me saying earlier I might be wrong on Ladd is because if we think Bop is real wrt his pr read on sheep, w!Ladd sure has more inclination to go for sheep as cw than me. So my reason to dismiss Ladd might not be valid in the first place. Sucks tbh.

@ladd: thoughts on the soft and the claim being unrelated? (Speaking of Wis ofc)

They are clearly related cause wisdom referenced having mechanical reasons for the sheep thing so if they are a wolf it means they came into the day setting up a claim (which is possible)

I have no other thoughts on the claim since we know nothing about the setup other than there is a vig and some neighbour stuff

[Raskolnikov]

Also excuse Vanta friendos, she witnessed my decadely good wolf game ;) feels good but lmao at the same time . Think I have 28 posts left, will save till I have time for the Maple/knights ISO after lunch.

@Arctic: didnt reply to ur post because everything is allready itt so u will find it whenever u are caught up

[Gemma]

@Gemma what about my play today reads as powerwolfy to you?

i'd like you to unpack that and explain it out a bit pls, cause it kinda feels like a random pot shot, so im curious what the thoughts are behind it

idk vibes, the way u came out today pushing rask felt agenda-y, why does it feel like a pot shot

since you'll probably also want to know about my gif above i didnt like the recent post i quoted bc ur saying you're talking about a monty read but ur words are about unrelated ppl and what u said doesnt apply to monty in this game (his syn stance would've allowed him to join the wagon), not saying i think u should have a different opinion about monty just the way ur wording there icks me shrug

[Gemma]

Also excuse Vanta friendos, she witnessed my decadely good wolf game ;)

which where

[Raskolnikov]

which where

Lol 3 y old game on the giraffe boards with Ender/Visor/Winston. Doesnt relate anyway since it was a 5d/2d kindof game

[Visor]

Players Votes

EnderWiggin 4 (nebjiamn, Didistetter, Dolby, ColonelLubriderm)
nebjiamn 2 (insomnia, Gemma)
Theknightsofneeee 1 (Raskolnikov)
Gemma 1 (Wisdom)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
Raskolnikov 1 (EnderWiggin)
Maple 1 (Ladd)



believe this is correct

[Gemma]

***

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

recap of our neighbor chat; it was silence for a while until maple showed up and asked if im a wolf to which i replied with a walterwhiteyouGotMe.gif to which he then replied with a walter white gif with red laser eyes. then we fucked around talking abut league of legends and i was telling him how i used to main warwick and he made a joke about me being a power bottom. the only game related thing we really talked about day 1 was me poking him to come join me on syn and he said sure. I think he followed through, i dont really remember but then there was a bunch of waiting gifs for the reveal followed by me doing a play by play of how i was furiously rubbing my nipples when i saw syn's flip and getting melted coffee oreo ice cream allover my chest to which he replied that it made him hungry. A little later i was ranting on how that silly tryhard Jan got me to go on rasko and i was complaining if he just kept his mouth shut i might be on my way to dvc next phase. Then i started saying how he was a wolf trying to direct the syn wagon to rasko because if rasko flips villa then syn wagon dissipates for days likely because of the god read. then i cooled off thinking its both possible rasko is just a wolf or even rasko is a villa and jan is just a villa. maple asked me aboutmy hard on for gemma and i told him I pretty much hated how she thought syn's opening was villagy over stet's opening where he literally got spew read villa from and maple said how isnt it possible she didnt read stet's post and i said sure, but then why even say anything about syn and that kind of ended there. Then we started up talk this morning when he talked about being reversed or flipped or some shit and i said its probably because there is a 3p and they are magic cards and he got his ass tapped by an icy manipulator. we had a nice chortle, thats about it. i'm pretty much v reading him solely because i enjoy the chat and even if hes a wolf i dont care. You can't have my neighbor

that was fun to read though i hate to break it to you but v reading syn on page 1 was a joke that i worded as seriously as possible because im weird like that it just seemed like the wolfiest possible thing i could have posted at that stage which made me happy and the fact that syn turned out to be a wolf just makes it even more golden in retrospect

[Gemma]

Players Votes

EnderWiggin 4 (nebjiamn, Didistetter, Dolby, ColonelLubriderm)
nebjiamn 2 (insomnia, Gemma)
Theknightsofneeee 1 (Raskolnikov)
Gemma 1 (Wisdom)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
Raskolnikov 1 (EnderWiggin)
Maple 1 (Ladd)



believe this is correct

wait eod is tomorrow morning? oh ffs i thought we had another 24 hrs

[Raskolnikov]

Next Ender's voter is a wolf

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

joke, but I read the wagon pure aorn glgl

on to knights ISO.

5 first posts are literally wolf txtbook: stilted then weird openers, unexplained shade on dya, unbased TR on didistetter (read as TMI).
Follow up is reading Bop based on confusing his avie with GH's.

[Gemma]

@grr i dont care about what Newcomb said about it. Put on my shoes for a second: I give Manti a try and attempt to follow up his process. I get what he is saying before you, think about it, conclude its NaI for both of you (re Maple the fact its what remains mostly, together with his 6 word posts about sheep is actually AI for me).

Then u proceed to wolfread me for it? Like wtf. So do what u want with it, but try charitabke if villa smh.

@Jan: thoughts on Dolby willing to make us D2 dome? Fwiw i dont like it. Like narrow vision or smtg. A lot of slots remains to be discussed etc etc

weird post

[Gemma]

Vote: Maple

[Gemma]

fine with death for any of maple/neb/nee/uhhh i guess thats it hmmm that cant be right

[Raskolnikov]

think cobalt's recent posting is p good (specially posts #76 and #82)

newcomb not giving a fuck about the game except about if colonel is gh feels slightly villagery (and also newcomb/bop are unlikely w/w)

after rereading bop/benneh's interactions, it felt very natural and meme'y and good and i don't want to kill either of them atm

initially liked syn pushing bop (colonel), but now that i'm villa reading bop i like it less.






Villagers

knights

didistetter
cobalt

colonel lubricator (bop)
nebjiamn (benneh)

gun to head villagers

newcomb
syn

Wolves

dyachei



and with that, good night

don't like this because
1 dya's treatment (particularly them being so low off one rand post, as opposed to other people being so high based off almost nothing too)
2 he liked Cobalt saying sheep is leaking TMI while not expressing anything wrt sheep's slot
3 his stett's read can be read as TMI too.

can still be villager non sense early on though

[Raskolnikov]

weird post

keep reading, u will find ur eggs

[Gemma]

@Wisdom ok well, this response kinda made me want to vote you again but: ill try to explain where i'm at on you and why i have concerns.

first, i ack dolby's point that syn's responses to you look unpairing. im not sure i agree, but it's def something im weighing.

i voted in response to #1581 because its a very lvl 1 post i see from scum a lot of: state read, vote off read. just a micro ping that i don't love.

that was more just a catalyst to vote you, b/c your day so far has kinda been gnawing at me.

for the most part, it feels like people are trying to progress the game and solve, and i haven't seen that from you. your reads have a lot of stagnation, your poe has remained largely the same from your initial reads, and it just doesn't feel like you actually have a real stake in solving.

you also have some posts that just like, seem built to get people to like you rather than like your slot, so even tho they arent ai they boost your rapport—for example the



post that bop HELL YEAHd. i know its a joke, but its a joe that shades slots that in general this game have been >rand villagery, so it doesn't add anything of solve value but only serves to curry favor.


also, this is probs a bit personally biased, but your play around my slot has been really, really, weird.

i agree i was locktowned too soon d1, but your response to that feels almost petulant?

i know you have more of a background with slots like rask and jan, but placing them in locktown and me in iffy zone just doesnt feel like a genuine read at this point.

it feels more like you want to try to undermine me/intentionally keep lowballing my towniness.

maybe you genuinley just don't townread me. that can be valid, but then it feels odd you haven't used that as an avenue to explore thread given like 90% of the game has called me ic or obvitown at this point. why not explore who might be TMIing townreads? why not try to take a concrete stance on me and push where others might be wrong?

instead it frankly feels more like you dont think i ought to be townread and you dont want to waste a nk on my slot so you try to push me towards a more neutral zone to make me viable as an elim in later days.


i'm probs overthinking it, but. your read stagnation + some micro posts + treatment around my slot just feel really freakin shady. I want to understand you and your slot, so pls show me where i'm misunderstanding if you're town, b/c frankly the vibes just feel slightly off this game

bruh

this is so uncharitable tbh

why do ppl v read stett so much idgi

[ladd]

V
Ladd
Insomnia
Bop
Artic
Grr
Dya
Gemma
Stett

The rest tier 1
Jan -not wolf with rask
Rask -not wolf with jan
Wisdom -claimed fightfighter...will hopefully clear up a bit later itg
Ender - not with dolby
Dolby-not with ender
Vanta-posts look good but just v low volume
Knights-looks good from eod but i just cant bring myself to have him higher onky based in posting, sorry


The rest tier 2
Benneh
Sunbae
Maple
Monty


I am kinda between 2 worlds right now:

1) i am off on more than 1 of my ender/wisdom/jan/rask v reads, sunbae/benneh are villas, maybe maple is too, maybe not. We are probably ok

2) sunbae/maple are w/w, benneh may be a wolf (or not, i honestly dont have a great read on his posts so far), knights i really doubt is a wolf with sunbae so would be a villa here, jan/rask woild be v as well so options are like super limited


I just think maple is the least villagey person, i didnt really like their iso nor pushes and the reversed stuff seems straight out of manti wolf playbook.havent played with manti in like years tho




With that being said, i will never votr anyone in my v tier but am open to voting anyone below at eod depending on how the rest of the day evolves

Gonna save the rest of my posts for eod cause i dont wanna be limited

Should be 40

[Raskolnikov]

sup

wrt colonel being bop - there was a couple posts that bop made (the one about if being gh gets him villa read then hell ya i'm gh) which stood out way more in my mind while reading and felt like how gh 'claims' his alts. and since gh alts alot over on MU, and this is his homesite, i just kinda ran with that assumption. Completely missed the jon paul references and benneh calling you bop otherwise yeah it would have been pretty obvious.

wrt ladd wondering why i didn't give a read on sheep - i wrote out a whole couple sentence thing about sheep, and wanting to drop him in lean wolf on my reads list, but after rereading it I felt like i was reaching pretty hard and trying to force a read on someone I knew i should have a read on, but I didn't actually have a firm read on, and so I just left him off.

my thoughts were essentially I think his wolf read on me is pretty high confidence considering its a page 1 wolf read on someone who he historically isn't the best at reading, but I didn't really think the reads were wolfy so much as wrong so i didn't want to omgus him, but that he hasn't actually been villagery either.

all of which sounds hedgy and stupid so yeah i just left it off

p good post imo (the second part, about sheep): basically i like people articulating their process (as long as it seems plausible smh lol)

@ whoever asked about my benneh read (raskov I think?)

its literally just i liked how he interacted with bop

relatively low confidence but the vibes were good

this is the second thing that pinged me live (I don't know knights record with Benneh, but clearing him for vibes/Toan early doesn't ring with me). Add to that I hate the wording (like man, what did u like in that interaction etc etc. feels so ez to write this as a wolf because u feel u are laid back on ur early reads but actually u are posting stuff that a villager would not think at all. maybe uncharitable here dunno)
also can't help noticing the diff treatment wrt sheeps slot.

[Raskolnikov]

lol smh I am softening on knights reading him in details, like I agree with Ladds D1 push and I have pushed some of the same stuff too but in retrospect I am not sure they are outside villa range. sucks to be me. gonna get to the point he starts tunneling Jan. Will prolly get to conclusions in a couple of poasts since I am not wasting all my stock for the knight

[Gemma]

idk how to elucidate on my read and im not sure its even worth it but i feel like ender is being weirdly ignored

like i doubt anyone's going to prioritize him today cause he's kind of a non-player in EOD and it feels like he doesn't resolve much either way but something about his posting just irks me

i think jan mentioned he had a 'villagery burst' or something and like, that's what every instance of him joining thread has felt like to me -- a burst of energy and then farewell ill see you next time when the energy on his v reads starts to run low

and like i get its on me to talk about it more or case him but i just dont have that energy rn. if someone wants to explain why he's town to me ill listen but every bit of his presence has seemed like a facade to me

eh thats fair ig about activity

is his town and wolf meta polarized at all or are there noticeable differences in terms of thread presence @nebjiamn

personally im averse to pushes on him bc he's such an easy push to make and if hes v theres so much w motivation for doing that

i also just find the struggle of managing to clear lhf slots interesting / compelling in general so im naturally more attracted to that option but that's just me

i lean him v because when he's around i feel good about his posts, dunno why u dont but its not a strong enough read that i'd defend him rly

[Gemma]

keep reading, u will find ur eggs

[dyachei]

I'm not gonna be around much until eod since it's the weekend and kids. But I kind of think knights is still villa like I said at last eod

Sunbae probably still too

I'm having problems making a 5 man team

[EnderWiggin]

I'm lead wagon?

Lmao.

Idk if I have the energy to care.

I'll do a bit of solving while reading up but I'm probably crashing after I finish catching up. And I have no guarantee of having time for EOD so...

Eh.

Tiring.

[EnderWiggin]

mmmmmm

why do you consider saying a wagon looks good but avoiding it unpartnered? felt like avoiding the wagon while trying to distance to me.

i actually really hated the unvote, its something ive seen a *lot* from maf recently with contentious wagons. they dont want to join the wagon on partner b/c their previous approach to the slot doesn't justify it, and it would risk getting called out as a busvote, so they unvote the cw as light distancing.

i think insomn voting and making it 3/3/3 would def be easy to anticipate from wolves that it put syn at major risk, b/c knights and rask (if town) could self pres there, and i/dya had previously indicated interest in the wagon, so it could easily build, which it did. both knights and i almost instantly voted syn after insomn made it a viable option.

i don't really buy either of these as pros for mont

This is going to be blah blah meta.

But:
At the point Monty was at, he would know (if we assume you're correct in that people would see the Syn wagon in the distance) that his "decisive" vote switch in the point to change it from Rask to Syn would be looked at a LOT better.

Monty's EOD is a Monty that doesn't care how he's seen. He's not looking to capitalise on his partner dying. But he's also not trying to avoid his partner dying.

That's not the wolf!Monty I know.

But also any wolf worth their chops wouldn't get caught frozen with their pants down.

The unvote + Encouraging Syn wagon is like trying to bus without the cred. It's just ~bad. And I wouldn't necessarily townread it from a random player. Which is why my original statement was "For Monty and how he played EOD".

This is, of course, where Monty is wolf and I look like a clown. But GTH that EOD is much more town from him.

[EnderWiggin]

I townread Grr rn but I'm just not with the mental energy to sort through your wall posts that I'm seeing in my catchup. I'm sorry.