Tarot Mafia

[didistetter]

Sorry about the tone in the last post.

Stett you're right that I haven't focused you that much but I still think there's a huge difference from that game.

I'm going away for a family gathering for the rest of the day and might not be able to be here except for popins, and since I'm a focus slot right now I'm just going to claim.

I am Strength, a 2-shot firefighter.

That means there are likely an arsonist, wolf or 3p, hence why I think Sheep wasn't killed by wolf kp.

I have played games with firefighters without arsonists tho so who knows :wowee:

mmm

pr vibes make sense ig.

leaving this to maf for now, mildly twitchy b/c i've never seen firefighter as a town role, but the post wrt sheep makes plausible sense for assuming arsonist

[Maple]

vote: dolby

Just going to reiterate, for the people in the back, that my role is confirmable and therefore selfresolving.

If I call bop Arctic knights sunbae stett v
And I call wisdom Jan v

That leaves me with 11 leftover. So I'm basically halfway there. Granted, I feel like there's a very real chance that I'm pocketed as fuck.

Continuing to yolo shit out

So sorting names into two categories

Ben grr ender gemma Mont venti

Ladd rask dolby dya

I'm missing one person. But we can call those rough unordered tiers. With the top tier being "I have any conceivable reason to call this person a villager but I don't personally buy it" and "I have no real reason to call this person a villager" respectively

So I suppose this mysterious 11th person belongs in the second group

Yall I got bad news. My solve this game is dogshit.

[didistetter]

idk vibes, the way u came out today pushing rask felt agenda-y, why does it feel like a pot shot

since you'll probably also want to know about my gif above i didnt like the recent post i quoted bc ur saying you're talking about a monty read but ur words are about unrelated ppl and what u said doesnt apply to monty in this game (his syn stance would've allowed him to join the wagon), not saying i think u should have a different opinion about monty just the way ur wording there icks me shrug

@Gemma idk if this helps but:

i prefer to read people off posts, but his posting just feels null to me. i agree his shade on syn would have allowed him to vote him somewhat sensically, but thats part of why dropping to unvote was off to me

maybe its a new player issue im too broadly applying, but i've played several games recently where wolves unvoted to make tied wagons, b/c they got less flack for it so it pings me.

people make wrong reads all the time and its super possible rask was just wrong town.

but i also don't like his posts.

im struggling to articulate it, but it just feels very like... devoid of vibes

it's actually kinda a similar place as ladd to me this game?

some of the stuff they say sounds good, but its just not clicking in a way thats abnormal for me

espec wrt to ladd, i want to tr him; there just like an invisible wall in my head coming from something about his posting that im struggling to climb over

rask is that, but its like i can see the wall, i just cant describe the material


idk if that makes any sense at all but, its the best i can describe it

[Maple]

Confidence in my v reads? Low.

[Maple]

Anyway I gotta go be gay for a few hours bbl

[ladd]

There is uh something that doesnt add up in the setup imo

I am very very sceptic that the wolves have an arsonist cause wolf arsonist is an extremely swingy role that i doubt visor would put in the game



i just spent 10 minutes ctrl+fing "visor" and "firefighter" on MU to see what he thought of them

he did propose a setup with a villa firefighter a villa arsonist once. he never had a wolf arsonist

he also quoted this org game as a good setup, where there was a wolf fighter which use was to distract the village motion detector


so quick summary:

- if there is MD or villa arsonist, firefighter is prob village role. if neither exists, i dont see what's its use since again i really really doubt there is a wolf arso so i'd say it's a wolf role





i have no idea what manti is claiming, 1 shot PGO is such a bizzare thing to give to manti

[Raskolnikov]

Syn ISO Early D1:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

P1: Fluff opening, TRed by Gemma. Colonel (CL) susses Gemma for finding Syn's post townier than stetter's.

P2: Syn jokingly SRs CL for posting too much.

P3: Knights trending Syn down for being against CL, still g2h town.

P4: Jan: "The syn villa reads are weird. Syn will be readable and there is no reason to force it this early."

P5: Wisdom shares a song with Syn. Syn responds to Jan from P4 by claiming to be mysterious and unreadable. Syn calls Maple based for SRing sheep off "6 words." Syn asks Wisdom what tapioca is.

P6: Syn discusses song with Wisdom, who tells them about tapioca. Syn wants to vote Sleep, not Sheep (Insomnia?). Gemma banters with Syn over his indirect Maple-Sheep read. Arctic finds Wisdom's music-post directed at Syn "kinda wrong." Rask kinda agrees with Syn about CL SR,

wants to kill CL and Vanta, locks Syn town.

P7: Arctic interrogates Rask over Syn, asks about meta. Rask explains that Syn should be direct and aggressive, elaborates on his own CL and Vanta SLs.

P9: Rask finds Syn OK for now. Newcomb can hardly believe Syn has posted, he's so UTR.

P10: Wisdom hedges on Syn, asks Rask for advice: "I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset." Newcomb asks ladd whom he would dayvig, ladd suggests Syn to be "boring" (sounds like PIS, as this is ladd's first-ever comment on Syn). Ladd goes on to clarify he's not convinced Syn is scum, understands why Rask TRs them, but offers a Syn post that "was out of character for their villa self, but I am not sure how serious it is."

All distancing. Syn-ladd-Gemma-Colonel-[REDACTED]/[REDACTED]/[REDACTED] possible. Though I could believe Gemma is just collateral damage with a certain playstyle.

I do suspect ladd's relationship with Syn in this game may turn out to be comparable to his relationship with dya (and Kage?) in Casual December - kind of hedging and avoiding their lhf partner.

Also, he didn't vote all day, though he specifically noted early on that he votes once in late day as a defense mechanism.

Worst of all, I think Syn may have spewed him here (this isn't fully in the ISO yet but it's important enough to note separately).

So, first check the p10 ISO where ladd discusses Syn. Syn objects to this on p13, then posts a full leans list that excludes Montmorency and ladd. But it doesn't just exclude ladd, it mentions Hally instead of him, even though he was just interacting with ladd.

It smacks of very distinct distancing of the kind I've seen from ladd in the aforementioned Casual December game. @Raskolnikov should give this a sanity check.

the pattern as far as I can read (checked 3 pages off the 4 of his ISO) was kinda powerwolfing, handing small TRs to partners unless hard sussed (he followed Boq on saying Kage might be a wolf ) but latching hard on wack villagers (Ender lol). could see it here with Syn in lieu of Kage and Sheep in lieu of Ender. (need to check what was Ladd's first read on Syn before he said he'd dayvig him replying to idontrememberwho)

@Montmorency

I dunno if I have the balls to vote Ladd but I am getting there. Still like my Maple vote more for now. But pending. Will read Ladd's ISO in this game sometimes soon.

[ladd]

There is uh something that doesnt add up in the setup imo

I am very very sceptic that the wolves have an arsonist cause wolf arsonist is an extremely swingy role that i doubt visor would put in the game



i just spent 10 minutes ctrl+fing "visor" and "firefighter" on MU to see what he thought of them

he did propose a setup with a villa firefighter a villa arsonist once. he never had a wolf arsonist

he also quoted this org game as a good setup, where there was a wolf fighter which use was to distract the village motion detector


so quick summary:

- if there is MD or villa arsonist, firefighter is prob village role. if neither exists, i dont see what's its use since again i really really doubt there is a wolf arso so i'd say it's a wolf role





i have no idea what manti is claiming, 1 shot PGO is such a bizzare thing to give to manti

correction - if there is a villa arso then firefighter is a villa role


if there is an MD i am inclined to think it's a wolf role



last alternative would be visor putting it in to troll but eh

I dunno if I have the balls to vote Ladd but I am getting there. Still like my Maple vote more for now. But pending. Will read Ladd's ISO in this game sometimes soon.

i am genuinely an incredibly easy villa read from your pov, i have no idea how you are even considering it lol

[ladd]

While we're at it I might as well claim PR too.

Idk if Stett got any info about my targeting her last night but there's that.

so did you @didistetter

did everyone just ignore ender claiming pr or am i missing a joke

[didistetter]

This is going to be blah blah meta.

But:
At the point Monty was at, he would know (if we assume you're correct in that people would see the Syn wagon in the distance) that his "decisive" vote switch in the point to change it from Rask to Syn would be looked at a LOT better.

Monty's EOD is a Monty that doesn't care how he's seen. He's not looking to capitalise on his partner dying. But he's also not trying to avoid his partner dying.

That's not the wolf!Monty I know.

But also any wolf worth their chops wouldn't get caught frozen with their pants down.

The unvote + Encouraging Syn wagon is like trying to bus without the cred. It's just ~bad. And I wouldn't necessarily townread it from a random player. Which is why my original statement was "For Monty and how he played EOD".

This is, of course, where Monty is wolf and I look like a clown. But GTH that EOD is much more town from him.

good post tbh.

Vote: Unvote

[Raskolnikov]

There is uh something that doesnt add up in the setup imo

I am very very sceptic that the wolves have an arsonist cause wolf arsonist is an extremely swingy role that i doubt visor would put in the game



i just spent 10 minutes ctrl+fing "visor" and "firefighter" on MU to see what he thought of them

he did propose a setup with a villa firefighter a villa arsonist once. he never had a wolf arsonist

he also quoted this org game as a good setup, where there was a wolf fighter which use was to distract the village motion detector


so quick summary:

- if there is MD or villa arsonist, firefighter is prob village role. if neither exists, i dont see what's its use since again i really really doubt there is a wolf arso so i'd say it's a wolf role





i have no idea what manti is claiming, 1 shot PGO is such a bizzare thing to give to manti

I actually think Maple is clicking button as the threadstate is allowing him to.

kinda not vibing with stett's most recent posts too smh. (It feels like nobody is acknowledging the fact I've been built up as last minute cw to a flipped wolf when afk)

[didistetter]

so did you @didistetter

did everyone just ignore ender claiming pr or am i missing a joke

oh.

i didnt get any feedback

@EnderWiggin does your role indicate you should give feedback?

assuming this means ender is claiming prot (fucking rough)
town kp on sheep

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

mafia probs assume its dya lets be so fr

wisdom claiming firefighter
maple claims inverted
maple/bop claim neighbors

hm.

22p, 5 wolves:
id assume some form of investigative but maybe not
feels unlikely neighbors + vig + prot + firefighter is all town but ig its possible

[Raskolnikov]

@ladd: I am actually factoring in Bop's post about sheep being a PR. I had missed that in my overnight catch up. Posted about it this morning (but apparently u and arctic missed it or are unwilling to acknowledge that)

[Raskolnikov]

u are all annoying since u apparently can't read the thread. I killed sheep smh. have another shot.

[didistetter]

There is uh something that doesnt add up in the setup imo

I am very very sceptic that the wolves have an arsonist cause wolf arsonist is an extremely swingy role that i doubt visor would put in the game



i just spent 10 minutes ctrl+fing "visor" and "firefighter" on MU to see what he thought of them

he did propose a setup with a villa firefighter a villa arsonist once. he never had a wolf arsonist

he also quoted this org game as a good setup, where there was a wolf fighter which use was to distract the village motion detector


so quick summary:

- if there is MD or villa arsonist, firefighter is prob village role. if neither exists, i dont see what's its use since again i really really doubt there is a wolf arso so i'd say it's a wolf role





i have no idea what manti is claiming, 1 shot PGO is such a bizzare thing to give to manti

@ladd do you think villy would ever get both arso and vig?

espec with no proof of maf extra kp *yet* that feels kinda op

[ladd]

@ladd: I am actually factoring in Bop's post about sheep being a PR. I had missed that in my overnight catch up. Posted about it this morning (but apparently u and arctic missed it or are unwilling to acknowledge that)

alrighty and?

why would i care about someone else thinking a third person was a pr so much that i'd want to push them over you when you were right there

[didistetter]

u are all annoying since u apparently can't read the thread. I killed sheep smh. have another shot.

oh.


well i rlly gotta reread dya now :wowee:

[ladd]

@ladd do you think villy would ever get both arso and vig?

espec with no proof of maf extra kp *yet* that feels kinda op

prolly no, in fact i am considering that wisdom could be a wolf




i kinda wanna lunch benneh ngl

[didistetter]

We probably have give or take 5 PRs total in this game, ff, Jan, the vigi +2 assuming both claims are real and assuming Jan isn't the vigi (which is a very good assumption). I maintain I think the inverter is >rand v for targeting me n1.

Assuming we're up against an arso, it also makes claiming in a 22er relatively safe. Relatively speaking. As in, *very* relative - we have a lot of villagers that need chewing before the numbers get tough.

So to that end, I should probably claim that I recieved the 10 of Swords last night -- which, long story short, is a 1-shot nerfed PGO.

This relates to my role, which was indeed inverted but frankly sucks even more now. The specifics don't matter because the biggest change to my role is that it now gives feedback!

ugh shoulda full caught up before wasting posts/time sorry gimme a min.

what does pgo mean?

[Raskolnikov]

oh.


well i rlly gotta reread dya now :wowee:

y wowee ur this D2 frankly.

Wisdom is prolly a wolf. Maple too. prolly killing whoever is alive in these 2 tonight

@ladd: there are so many reasons I swear. (say u tryed to yeet sheep, don't wanna bring too much attention to ur slot when u opportunistically kill a villa. for instance, not going this avenue any longer friendo)

[didistetter]

This one might be a tactical mistake because the pressure on me is not that big right now and my name is more floating than being pushed.

But I am sick and have not slept a lot in the last 24 hours. I am likely to fall asleep between now and end of day, and I won't make it back to defend myself if that happens.

I am a village pr.
I have no intention of claiming more than that right now because I have no crucial information to give.
And claiming more than this only helps wolves.

This is why I thought Maple's inverted claim was weird because I do not think my role can be inverted (or only in odd ways).

lol well that should hardclear my ass if tru

[ladd]

ugh shoulda full caught up before wasting posts/time sorry gimme a min.

what does pgo mean?

paranoid gun owner

kills everyone who visit them (but manti is claiming nerfed so prolly only kills 1 visitor)

[ColonelLubriderm]

i want to kill maple solely for not engaging in thread at all with my made up neighborhood;

i also think the firefighter claim is kind of bullshit but regardless of it being bullshit or not i b et it means a wolf arsonist exists and they are using it as a fakeclaim because who really uses firefighters(note if in the last 2 years a meta of firefighters in small games exists then lol me).

i think arsonist makes sense because i think a full wolf vig makes a 22 person setup kind of swingy and arsonist makes it less so; firefighter seems kind of a silly role but who knows

i believe rask is a villa who killed sheep;

i think that makes knights/gemma kind of towny based on eod 1 because they could have possibly killed rasko; asterisk here because bussing happens

I think wolves are four of wisdom/ender/ladd/benneh/jan/sunbae/maple

i dont think ender/benneh are w/w

wisdom oddly villa read ender/jan day 1 based on nothing it seems and im not sure what to make of it

i currently like montmore/vanta for low confidence reasons, monte for tying the wagons with his unvote because i lean toward that being an action to "see what happens" and not "lets save xyz" thus lightly villagy. Vanta i kinda just believed the overwhelmed post and just read it villagy at the time. ymmv with those

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[Maple]

I will once again reiterate

my role is

confirmable

and

self resolving

---

bop i want you to know, i was going to claim an entirely fictional n0 action where i recruited you as a neighbor and was fabricating extra abilities for myself to be able to do so. Would have been really funny if you rescinded after all that and got me killed.

Anyway, I'll be on-on at about... 1 or 2?

[didistetter]

@nebjiamin

so where would you look rn with ender and jan off the table?

[ladd]

Id be surprised if there is a villa firefighter AND a wolf arso cause that would be brutal for wolves

Firefighter in a 22er honestly does feel fake to me cause its basically rng

I dont think there is a wolf arso anyway cause its like such a swingy kp to put in a normal game and wolves would have almost no way to counteract the villa kp. Idk it feels too slow to me


Fwiw in recent times almost all the times i have seen firefighter used has been as a wolf role to distract a motion detector

unvote

[didistetter]

i want to kill maple solely for not engaging in thread at all with my made up neighborhood;

i also think the firefighter claim is kind of bullshit but regardless of it being bullshit or not i b et it means a wolf arsonist exists and they are using it as a fakeclaim because who really uses firefighters(note if in the last 2 years a meta of firefighters in small games exists then lol me).

i think arsonist makes sense because i think a full wolf vig makes a 22 person setup kind of swingy and arsonist makes it less so; firefighter seems kind of a silly role but who knows

i believe rask is a villa who killed sheep;

i think that makes knights/gemma kind of towny based on eod 1 because they could have possibly killed rasko; asterisk here because bussing happens

I think wolves are four of wisdom/ender/ladd/benneh/jan/sunbae/maple

i dont think ender/benneh are w/w

wisdom oddly villa read ender/jan day 1 based on nothing it seems and im not sure what to make of it

i currently like montmore/vanta for low confidence reasons, monte for tying the wagons with his unvote because i lean toward that being an action to "see what happens" and not "lets save xyz" thus lightly villagy. Vanta i kinda just believed the overwhelmed post and just read it villagy at the time. ymmv with those

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frankly if wisdom is wolf i think she probs TMId them and stuck to it.
jan read feels more pockety/appealy than w/w

ender and jan both claiming pr is more believable to me than wisdom. I had a p strong pr read on jan, and ender feels viably prot

i need to finish reading back: but based off current claims:

Wisdom claims Strength, a 2-shot firefighter #1789

Jan claims village pr, role probably couldn’t be inverted #1851

Enderwiggin claims PR who targeted didistetter n1 #1880

Raskolnikov claims vig shot on sheep #1904

Maple claims a confirmable and self resolving role, claims to have received the 10 of Swords which = 1 shot nerfed PGO, claims neighbors with Colonel
#1876

sword vendor + rask's vig are def at odds with town arso.

ig it makes wolf arso possible?

im kinda confused but ngl i wanna call ladd/wisdom a diff check

if wisdom is legit firefighter and ender isnt prot he might be arso claiming pr lol but i dont wanna think about that yet

[ladd]

i want to kill maple solely for not engaging in thread at all with my made up neighborhood;

i also think the firefighter claim is kind of bullshit but regardless of it being bullshit or not i b et it means a wolf arsonist exists and they are using it as a fakeclaim because who really uses firefighters(note if in the last 2 years a meta of firefighters in small games exists then lol me).

i think arsonist makes sense because i think a full wolf vig makes a 22 person setup kind of swingy and arsonist makes it less so; firefighter seems kind of a silly role but who knows

i believe rask is a villa who killed sheep;

i think that makes knights/gemma kind of towny based on eod 1 because they could have possibly killed rasko; asterisk here because bussing happens

I think wolves are four of wisdom/ender/ladd/benneh/jan/sunbae/maple

i dont think ender/benneh are w/w

wisdom oddly villa read ender/jan day 1 based on nothing it seems and im not sure what to make of it

i currently like montmore/vanta for low confidence reasons, monte for tying the wagons with his unvote because i lean toward that being an action to "see what happens" and not "lets save xyz" thus lightly villagy. Vanta i kinda just believed the overwhelmed post and just read it villagy at the time. ymmv with those

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Wisdom/jan arent w/w cause there is no way the wolves plan was for them to both claim pr b2b IYAM

wisdom/ender i guess it s possible tho i still villaread ender

[theknightsofneeee]

okay i'm here lets do this shit

where to start where to start...



Where i'm at before a full day 2 read/reread.

gonna look into ladd/jan's day 2 and see where i'm at on both of them (i have read their day 2's but not digested them so i want to see if that changes my reads on them)

want to look into sunbae more

want to look into vanta/mont and sort them

currently have

dya/benneh/maple/didi/dolby/bop/wisdom (after the claim)/insomnia/gemma all as villagers

want to kill outside of that group, and while I def lean jan personally atm, i honestly haven't looked at many others closely enough yet to really strongly advocate for jan over those atm


i think the syn wagon is mostly clean (with the exception of maybe arctic), all the votes felt villagery and not forced, and even bop/dya's votes on syn felt good too.

benneh is the villa read i'm softening on the most with time, but i haven't really read his day 2 yet so i'll do that first before I potentially move him in my reads.

anyone have questions/comments/concerns pls ask/tag me, and I will respond as I get to it.

[ladd]

vote:neb

Idk, en guarde or something

Really gonna spare my posts now cause i have a feeling ill need them at eod to defend myself