Tarot Mafia

[Montmorency]

Dya, what I mean is, if you're town do you think you live forever here? Is it more likely you just get NKed, or that mafia try to line you up as a deep ML?

I strongly oppose ousting any claimed PRs today. Yes, dya's claim is strong, but Rask's isn't bad in itself. (Although I can't understand anyone vigging sheep N1, let alone two).

I strongly opposed ousting any claimed PRs today. We need to let this cook.

[dyachei]

o looking at d1 rask could easily have been w/w with syn

[dyachei]

Dya, what I mean is, if you're town do you think you live forever here? Is it more likely you just get NKed, or that mafia try to line you up as a deep ML?

I strongly oppose ousting any claimed PRs today. Yes, dya's claim is strong, but Rask's isn't bad in itself. (Although I can't understand anyone vigging sheep N1, let alone two).

I strongly opposed ousting any claimed PRs today. We need to let this cook.

No I know that claiming here gets me killed and then it's not self resolving

So I'm voting a claim because there are obviously fake claims

[Arctic]

rask doesn't really feel like a wolf so i wish he had more posts to elaborate on his role because i feel like ungated vig is kinda unlikely given what everyone else has been claiming

meh

[Wisdom]

Feels like grr is currently fence sitting, just a note to self.

I'm falling asleep and need my sleep schedule intact, so I hope this get sorted out. Good night, yeet wolves, stay hyped!

[Montmorency]

No I know that claiming here gets me killed and then it's not self resolving

So I'm voting a claim because there are obviously fake claims

If Rask is maf, and you flip town, we can oust him later as likely fakeclaim. t-t is still remotely possible, but it's much safer to oust a claimed vig if the other claimed vig (you) is proven. From our perspective, is getting a flip on Rask now worth the risk of losing a shot?

o looking at d1 rask could easily have been w/w with syn

I mean, he could have been shielding with reliance on his meta, but it's not easily. Ladd's interactions fit better there.

[dyachei]

Why is no one asking why rask just assumed it was a full cc situation instead of considering it could be the same shot target? I know why I did but he didn't claim any reason on his end why it couldn't be v/v

[dyachei]

If Rask is maf, and you flip town, we can oust him later as likely fakeclaim. t-t is still remotely possible, but it's much safer to oust a claimed vig if the other claimed vig (you) is proven. From our perspective, is getting a flip on Rask now worth the risk of losing a shot?



I mean, he could have been shielding with reliance on his meta, but it's not easily. Ladd's interactions fit better there.

Alignment only flips means it's never proven that I'm a vig

[ColonelLubriderm]

I have one post after this i think, maybe 2 but definitely 1.

Claims in order of townyness from my PoV

Rasko- vig who killed sheep
Jan- PR
ender-something that targetted stet
wisdom-firefighter
maple-self PGO?



vvvv(o wolves)
Rasko

vvv(0-1 wolves)
stet
insomnia


vv(0-1 wolf)
dya
grr

v(1-2 wolves)
arctic
jan
vanta
gemma
knights

/shrug(1-3 wolves)
ladd
mont
dolby
maple
sunbae
benneh

w(0-2 wolves)
ender
wisdom

WRT maple- i didnt read his last couple posts before my last post so i didnt realize he PGO himself. I dont know how that is self resolving, but fuck it we can give it a day

I was looking at the wagons from eod 1 and there is a point where its

I feel like gemma/knights fell into the tonal abyss today after getting a pass from the majority of the thread; not feeling great about that. If ender is a wolf i wouldnt worry about knights. If ender is a villa then that opens up the world where knights is a wolf PR better than syn but thats a reach.

I find it kind of weird that arctic seemed to be around for the EoD but never really pparticipated when we had such close wagons, when i looked at Visor's iso for votecounts, they dont show up until the last one as one of the last minute votes. In the last 15 minutes main wagons were moving and changing but arctic doesnt vote until the pile on in the last minute. I think thats kind of a bad look if it is true they were in fact around with all the wagon changes and not commiting to anything votewise

I think the least believable claims are wisdom/maple but i wouldnt kill maple til tomorrow; he says he can self resolve, i dont think he can self resolve but i dont think it hurts us killing him tomorrow instead of today in the weird chance that he can clear himself. I wouldnt berate you for going there today though


If you want to go outside the claims, i'd go somewhere in dolby/benneh/ladd/sunbae. I would probably go sunbae

I think I'd vote out wisdom if we are to go inside the claims. The day 1 reads of jan/ender didn't make sense to me and the claim today feels meh.

my heart say go wisdom so thats where i'll vote for now

Vote: Wisdom

I think wisdom because there is no way we can confirm that role and it will always just be a question we have. Even if we can surmise there is an arsonist, it still wouldnt clear wisdom.


I believe i have two posts left and im going to save them for the eod.


PSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPS

I was about to post this and i saw the dya/rask threadvelopment. The correct thing to do is to do nothing. I think if they are not v/v then rask is always the wolf. Dya is under no pressure to claim and if i understand them correctly there is some reason where rask can't be the sheep shooter. Rask still has a shot so if he's a villa you just let him shoot the wolf!dya. EZ PZ.

I'd go wisdom still because they work as a wolf regardless of how the claimbattle turns out and they have one of the weaker claims.

Vote: Wisdom

[Arctic]

Why is no one asking why rask just assumed it was a full cc situation instead of considering it could be the same shot target? I know why I did but he didn't claim any reason on his end why it couldn't be v/v

i kind of think that he might be a wolf vig who used his role in a pro-town way which is why he claimed pretty easily under pressure like that

and you just both happened to target the same person, and his shot was the one that went through

[grr]

Feels like grr is currently fence sitting, just a note to self.

I'm falling asleep and need my sleep schedule intact, so I hope this get sorted out. Good night, yeet wolves, stay hyped!

I village read this post wisdom but I have never been accused of this as mafia i think. I genuinely think you guys do not know how I wolf. fence sitting is agenda=>keeping ur options open etc. that means i am playing towards my wincon as wolf and everyone who approaches me that way will never read me correctly lol. (i realise that is like, an impossible concept to grasp for people who dont know me cuz it sounds backwards, but im explaining anyway cause i always do that).

[grr]

Why is no one asking why rask just assumed it was a full cc situation instead of considering it could be the same shot target? I know why I did but he didn't claim any reason on his end why it couldn't be v/v

I have been asking that myself if it helps (lol). I think I kinda tuned it out becuz technically you also were so sure it was a CC so I couldnt determine it was sus for specifically him, but yeah i noted it.

[Montmorency]

Alignment only flips means it's never proven that I'm a vig

Yes, another remote possibility is that you are fake-claiming town fpsing because you're convinced Rask is scum and want to get him out somehow. But I'm not putting stock in it.

[Vanta Black]

I have one post after this i think, maybe 2 but definitely 1.

Claims in order of townyness from my PoV

Rasko- vig who killed sheep
Jan- PR
ender-something that targetted stet
wisdom-firefighter
maple-self PGO?



vvvv(o wolves)
Rasko

vvv(0-1 wolves)
stet
insomnia


vv(0-1 wolf)
dya
grr

v(1-2 wolves)
arctic
jan
vanta
gemma
knights

/shrug(1-3 wolves)
ladd
mont
dolby
maple
sunbae
benneh

w(0-2 wolves)
ender
wisdom

WRT maple- i didnt read his last couple posts before my last post so i didnt realize he PGO himself. I dont know how that is self resolving, but fuck it we can give it a day

I was looking at the wagons from eod 1 and there is a point where its

I feel like gemma/knights fell into the tonal abyss today after getting a pass from the majority of the thread; not feeling great about that. If ender is a wolf i wouldnt worry about knights. If ender is a villa then that opens up the world where knights is a wolf PR better than syn but thats a reach.

I find it kind of weird that arctic seemed to be around for the EoD but never really pparticipated when we had such close wagons, when i looked at Visor's iso for votecounts, they dont show up until the last one as one of the last minute votes. In the last 15 minutes main wagons were moving and changing but arctic doesnt vote until the pile on in the last minute. I think thats kind of a bad look if it is true they were in fact around with all the wagon changes and not commiting to anything votewise

I think the least believable claims are wisdom/maple but i wouldnt kill maple til tomorrow; he says he can self resolve, i dont think he can self resolve but i dont think it hurts us killing him tomorrow instead of today in the weird chance that he can clear himself. I wouldnt berate you for going there today though


If you want to go outside the claims, i'd go somewhere in dolby/benneh/ladd/sunbae. I would probably go sunbae

I think I'd vote out wisdom if we are to go inside the claims. The day 1 reads of jan/ender didn't make sense to me and the claim today feels meh.

my heart say go wisdom so thats where i'll vote for now

Vote: Wisdom

I think wisdom because there is no way we can confirm that role and it will always just be a question we have. Even if we can surmise there is an arsonist, it still wouldnt clear wisdom.


I believe i have two posts left and im going to save them for the eod.


PSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPS

I was about to post this and i saw the dya/rask threadvelopment. The correct thing to do is to do nothing. I think if they are not v/v then rask is always the wolf. Dya is under no pressure to claim and if i understand them correctly there is some reason where rask can't be the sheep shooter. Rask still has a shot so if he's a villa you just let him shoot the wolf!dya. EZ PZ.

I'd go wisdom still because they work as a wolf regardless of how the claimbattle turns out and they have one of the weaker claims.

Vote: Wisdom

I have a quetion about this which you don't need to answer wth only 1 post left but it loos like Rask is your top TR and dya is lower, so why is Rask always the woof?

[didistetter]

If Rask is maf, and you flip town, we can oust him later as likely fakeclaim. t-t is still remotely possible, but it's much safer to oust a claimed vig if the other claimed vig (you) is proven. From our perspective, is getting a flip on Rask now worth the risk of losing a shot?



I mean, he could have been shielding with reliance on his meta, but it's not easily. Ladd's interactions fit better there.

on the inverse tho: if he's maf it lets him get a free nk off.

if you wanna dodge all pr claims today, which is valid, where would you look?

feel like wagons d1 are significantly more dif if rask if town kp vs maf.

makes bussing wayyyyy more likely,

@theknightsofneeee why are you still parked on jan who claimed pr?

idk elimming outside of the claims feels like a shot in the dark, but I kinda agree it feels like a better choice

im just kinda stuck b/c i probs move in dif directions depending on flips

Vote: Sleep (this is not a real suggestion, just want to see gemma/ladd/ender/maple/knights etc. come back in and react

last 2 posts for voting

[Raskolnikov]

@dyachei
@Arctic
@didistetter
@Vanta Black
@nebjiamn.
@Sunbae
@Raskolnikov
@ladd
@Jan
@Gemma
@grr
@EnderWiggin
@insomnia
@Wisdom
@Syn
@ColonelLubriderm
@Maple
@Montmorency
@Dolby

OK I actually realised I have one post left:

check the timestamps of the posts I linked in #2071 and realise dya is just sacrifying their wolfy butt to evade the shot on a maf (I said I'd shoot in Maple/Wisdom after claiming).

Their presumed breadcrumbing is even AFTER my claim lol. Mine literally started at SOD smh. How do u people, out of all ww players do not see that smh? How can u let dya go away with this s!%? !!!!

fgs come on village. get ur ww sensor back on. Wisdom is even lolcating before going to bed arglll.

dya and minimum one of WIsdom/Maple are outed. (I think they are all actually maf so GG)


Frankly get dya because they actually deserve it or get one of the other two lolcatting slots and trust my shot to actually hit. glgl friendos

[grr]

Yes, another remote possibility is that you are fake-claiming town fpsing because you're convinced Rask is scum and want to get him out somehow. But I'm not putting stock in it.

no strike that from the possibilities immediately. they would not do that.

[dyachei]

@dyachei
@Arctic
@didistetter
@Vanta Black
@nebjiamn.
@Sunbae
@Raskolnikov
@ladd
@Jan
@Gemma
@grr
@EnderWiggin
@insomnia
@Wisdom
@Syn
@ColonelLubriderm
@Maple
@Montmorency
@Dolby

OK I actually realised I have one post left:

check the timestamps of the posts I linked in #2071 and realise dya is just sacrifying their wolfy butt to evade the shot on a maf (I said I'd shoot in Maple/Wisdom after claiming).

Their presumed breadcrumbing is even AFTER my claim lol. Mine literally started at SOD smh. How do u people, out of all ww players do not see that smh? How can u let dya go away with this s!%? !!!!

fgs come on village. get ur ww sensor back on. Wisdom is even lolcating before going to bed arglll.

dya and minimum one of WIsdom/Maple are outed. (I think they are all actually maf so GG)


Frankly get dya because they actually deserve it or get one of the other two lolcatting slots and trust my shot to actually hit. glgl friendos

I made it very obvious I had targeted sheep. Stett even almost outed me herself because of how obvious it was

[dyachei]

Rasks reaction to my claim is wolfy af

[grr]

@dyachei
@Arctic
@didistetter
@Vanta Black
@nebjiamn.
@Sunbae
@Raskolnikov
@ladd
@Jan
@Gemma
@grr
@EnderWiggin
@insomnia
@Wisdom
@Syn
@ColonelLubriderm
@Maple
@Montmorency
@Dolby

OK I actually realised I have one post left:

check the timestamps of the posts I linked in #2071 and realise dya is just sacrifying their wolfy butt to evade the shot on a maf (I said I'd shoot in Maple/Wisdom after claiming).

Their presumed breadcrumbing is even AFTER my claim lol. Mine literally started at SOD smh. How do u people, out of all ww players do not see that smh? How can u let dya go away with this s!%? !!!!

fgs come on village. get ur ww sensor back on. Wisdom is even lolcating before going to bed arglll.

dya and minimum one of WIsdom/Maple are outed. (I think they are all actually maf so GG)


Frankly get dya because they actually deserve it or get one of the other two lolcatting slots and trust my shot to actually hit. glgl friendos

I dont think this is how a villager talks?

[grr]

Vote: Raskolnikov

[Montmorency]

Holy hell what an evil CL post. Is it confbiased to say that wall fits very well with a ladd-CL-Ender team?

I meld with CL on leaving Rask/dya alone for today.

on the inverse tho: if he's maf it lets him get a free nk off.

if you wanna dodge all pr claims today, which is valid, where would you look?

My team solve is still ladd-Gemma-CL-Jan/Ender/Wisdom, and by VC it seemed like most people were voting one of these before the latest claims developments.

no strike that from the possibilities immediately. they would not do that.

They're the one who implied it.

[grr]

Wisdom was also not lolcatting even if she was a wolf, makes no sense for Rask to say that?

[Dolby]

everyone. there it was all in the thread for you. I did sus stett (not itt D1 Monty, but realised I mistake them for Sunbae overnight) and shot them, conforted by Ladd's read.

u turn dya.

Damn u lazy patate. Just pings on the knight and sheep but rn i cant remember why smh. I wouldnt be surprised if the one TRing Benneh flips wolf though. Think I have asked about it, will prolly cast a vote once I sober up a bit. Syns post is OK (lmao this read), will reevaluate when he gets up. Ender is OK for D1 on tone only.

Grrr looks a bit odd to me rn, not sure what he saw on Newcomb (but this vote got my attention, curious about any follow up).

Pretty much it

@Wisdom: re Syn. It's just he seems more prone to directly attack people here (ColonelLub, Jan) in his very special way (look the last one lol "looks at my poe

looks at this post

looks at my poe

looks at this post

surely it cannot be ") here, which I associate with his town game.

I feel it's different from last game where he was a woof (it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn).

Ladd posted something I missed though ("everyone currently passing the vibe check I think we should vote sleep

not to be confused with sheep") which is a bit odd like. would be very sadge if Syn is wolfing with sheep but lol. Just something to keep in mind for when one of them flips.

Gonna read the knightofneee (I didn't vibe with you TRing Benneh out of vibes pal )

Rask posted these posts as well and tbh, I guess he isn't a lock w but I think we kinda have to kill him

claiming to shoot someone you confused for someone else is so whack and realized that overnight

[Arctic]

Wisdom was also not lolcatting even if she was a wolf, makes no sense for Rask to say that?

i think they might be wolves together

especially if what i said is true about rask being a wolf vig who used his shot for towncred - in that world there probably isn't a wolf arso and wisdom's claim is just fake. their claims also neatly corroborate each other with wisdom being like "guys sheep was definitely town kp i know cuz of my role" implying that wolves have an arso so the vig must be town. seems like a cool little setup, dunno

i noticed earlier he's been shading wisdom all day and now is calling her outted out of nowhere

kinda feels like textbook distancing when the ship is sinking

[nebjiamn]

idt leaving the dya/rask dichotomy alone today helps solve anything

lets say dya is v and rask is w -- he's locked himself into shooting them and if dya dies and flips town (along with another NK or two) we are stuck in the same dichotomy tomorrow and have to sort out whether to solve him

the only chance for this dichotomy to resolve by ignoring would be if he shoots a wolf (either dya or someone else) and i dont think the former is particularly likely, nor is the latter based on his conviction here

and on top of that idt the way he's approached dya's 'cc' is villagery, both in terms of consideration for dya's role/intent and also for the way he claimed he had conditionals in his last 2 posts but refused to elaborate after being called out on the potential conditional nature of roles ITG after dya's claim

not to mention we're like, already relying on the hope that maple will be 'self-resolving' with equally stilted clarity and claims and now ppl wana double down on that instead of just occam's razoring it here and killing one of the two players most likely to be wolf if we ignore mechanics (which, it seems, we almost certainly should because the game is confirmed role heavy!!!!! and the mechanics are otherwise unknown to everyone but the wolves who can otherwise take advantage of this)

[nebjiamn]

Vote: raskolnikov

i'm hostin a cookout but i'll be around sporadically between now and eod

[grr]

i think they might be wolves together

especially if what i said is true about rask being a wolf vig who used his shot for towncred - in that world there probably isn't a wolf arso and wisdom's claim is just fake. their claims also neatly corroborate each other with wisdom being like "guys sheep was definitely town kp i know cuz of my role" implying that wolves have an arso so the vig must be town. seems like a cool little setup, dunno

i noticed earlier he's been shading wisdom all day and now is calling her outted out of nowhere

kinda feels like textbook distancing when the ship is sinking

disregard all of my reads tbh seriously. i need to start from scratch. (kinda liked wisdoms latest posts tbh but like, dunno as i said i need to think about this whole game differently and im not gonna do that anymore tonight, in my eyes raskols last post was so wolfy i assume we eliminate him here. lol)

[Montmorency]

idt leaving the dya/rask dichotomy alone today helps solve anything

lets say dya is v and rask is w -- he's locked himself into shooting them and if dya dies and flips town (along with another NK or two) we are stuck in the same dichotomy tomorrow and have to sort out whether to solve him

the only chance for this dichotomy to resolve by ignoring would be if he shoots a wolf (either dya or someone else) and i dont think the former is particularly likely, nor is the latter based on his conviction here

and on top of that idt the way he's approached dya's 'cc' is villagery, both in terms of consideration for dya's role/intent and also for the way he claimed he had conditionals in his last 2 posts but refused to elaborate after being called out on the potential conditional nature of roles ITG after dya's claim

not to mention we're like, already relying on the hope that maple will be 'self-resolving' with equally stilted clarity and claims and now ppl wana double down on that instead of just occam's razoring it here and killing one of the two players most likely to be wolf if we ignore mechanics (which, it seems, we almost certainly should because the game is confirmed role heavy!!!!! and the mechanics are otherwise unknown to everyone but the wolves who can otherwise take advantage of this)

lets say dya is v and rask is w -- he's locked himself into shooting them and if dya dies and flips town (along with another NK or two) we are stuck in the same dichotomy tomorrow and have to sort out whether to solve him

Yeah then we solve him. That's what I've conveyed. Maple, I don't even quite understand the implications of their claim, but flipping him is at least better than flipping Rask/dya IME.

But at the very least, is anyone going to even pretend to POE dya if Rask flips town? Because dya is almost certainly scum if t-Rask, and I think we're setting ourselves up to just bunt on that.

[insomnia]

saying rask used the shot for cred is pretty irrational imo

the setup is closed and it's safe to assume villas should have a vig. why set up for claiming vig?