Tarot Mafia

[Arctic]

fwiw Arctic, I think your bottom 4 (Rask-Wisdom-Maple-Ladd) could be the team

and like.. if that's the case then they all just fell over and died this game? ladd was trying to keep up pushes on sheep/knights/gemma and wolves weren't able to do anything about the villa led (in this world) CFD to w/w wagons on syn/rask so kinda just flailed and, well, have been since i guess. since the jan push today fell flat with people seeing villa posting from him today (i forgot to mention that i disagree with this, i don't really think the manti claim callout was towny and everything else went over my head)

i guess it's possible - but wouldn't maple voting rask at eod1 have been a little strange then? i guess we don't know what syn's role is. if this is the team then like, they're half-committing to bussing each other (and not the same one either, i mean you have ladd calling out wisdom's claim, wisdom hard pushing rask after the claim, maple not giving a fuck about anything)

there's not much disproving this i guess but that team feels hella disorganized

[Maple]

ender also hard-soft claimed pr

[Maple]

fwiw Arctic, I think your bottom 4 (Rask-Wisdom-Maple-Ladd) could be the team

no fucking universe you actually think this lol

[theknightsofneeee]

First off

I hate that the iso function only goes back 100 posts, that is so annoying


secondly here is a really interesting sequence with ladd that rings as very hollow/wolfy to me.

yea this is basically how i feel about them

thx for the other reads too :y:


artic probably cleared themselves in my eyes with their post last couple of pages tbh

lettuce see where i am at if i kinda yolo it just for fun


just villagers
ladd
newcomb
didistetter
artic
grrr

confident villagers, ordered
bop
jan

rask

this is where reads i strongly care about end

wisdom - if i am wrong somehwere here i'd guess its them
dya - maybeee some worlds where they a wolf but based on toan/meta i'd say they are fairly likely to be villa

leaning villa but losing a bit of confidence/some worlds where they are a wolf with manti if manti w
insomnia
sunbae


the rest, ordered in 2 tiers. no order within tiers

ender - feels villagery but surface level
sheep - bit unsure but i think i am cool with havig them here for now

benneh - feel like i did him a bit dirty cause havent made much of an effort on my part to re read his iso and find him but thats mostly cause i wanst gonna lunch him today anyway
knights - confusing play
gemma - have trouble believing his posts show genuine solving
maple - no read but interesting web of connections. prob a strong wolf pr if wolf
cobalt - see ya tomorrow; maybe



not evne gonna list monte/vanta

i forgot syn, they are in the ender/sheep tier


i'll bbl




as an aside imo its a super interesting game and am personally very curious to find out what was going on d1 with flips in mind. hope it's nothing too boring but idts

has knights tried to be villagery tho? Some spooky gemma votes ngl


@manti i'd be curious of a benneh iso



i think bop is a villager cause of what he did not say but clearly was thinking vs what he actually said. Like i think in his mind he was linking me and wisdom even if he never said so explicitely but i could FEEL that he was clearing thinking about game/associations/worlds, whateve ryou wanna call it in a critical way

no one asked but i saw grr post their bop villa read so i figured i may chime in cause i feel pretty good about it now

forgetting to put syn on the list and not giving a reason for putting them there (when they gave a reason for everyone else in the wolves tier) feels kinda partner'y, having gemma in your bottom tier and then being concerned about the people voting gemma also feels weird/not what I would expect from villa!ladd when someone he thinks is a wolf is getting voted, and he repeatedly pushed multiple villagers throughout the day (myself, sheep, gemma) in ways that are soft shade'y and feel wolfy to me in retrospect (and they felt wolfy to me yesterday as well)




raskol is probably a wolf if the claim is directly competeing with dya, because I hard read dya as villager

but the heart wants what it wants

Vote: ladd

[Maple]

so rask *is* currently dying here, so rask-voters just want to make sure we're all okay with that

[Gemma]

Somehow EOD feels less YOLO and more "death march to bullying Biden into dropping out", to use that reference point. High risk/reward, as they say.

So be it indeed.

(50 post cap with EOD lift has proved more appropriate for the Org by the by)

they're really gonna make me vote for joe biden? joe biden?

how is the best case scenario joe biden?

joe joe joe buhhh

juh juh juh joe biden

j-j-j-joe

they're really gonna make me vote for joe biden?

[Dolby]

no fucking universe you actually think this lol

I mean fwiw I think you and Rask are loosely anti aligned in both directions (you -> him and him-> you, Rask did vote you in a awkward spot to vote a teammate earlier today iirc) but eh it fits well in my head

[Gemma]

i see everyone set themselves on fire and we're yeeting a claimed vig for some reason

seems fine to me!

[Maple]

What about the fact that ladd has been pushing me all game?

I'll at most concede pairing me with Wisdom.

[Gemma]

definitely no worlds there could ever be 2 town vigs in a game where visor said he'd be bopping with the kp lmao

[dyachei]

so rask *is* currently dying here, so rask-voters just want to make sure we're all okay with that

I'm fine with it. his reaction to my claim has only been wolfy. he made it a dichotomy before knowing my conditional and has been outright hostile even though we *could* have been v/v shooting the same target. He also got upset when I pointed out i had crumbed it earlier than he did and I basically defended the shot in thread from the start of day. I was hoping to be the NK when I did that because Im out of shots but like...idk that they will bother now

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[Maple]

brb

[dyachei]

definitely no worlds there could ever be 2 town vigs in a game where visor said he'd be bopping with the kp lmao

I conceded that there could be but rask didn't even consider it. he's been wolfy since I claimed.

[Arctic]

What about the fact that ladd has been pushing me all game?

I'll at most concede pairing me with Wisdom.

i was thinking about this earlier and i don't really think this unpartners you

his handling of you has been more.. "why are people townreading maple for no reason? this is so strange!" rather than like.. actually a push? you've never been his vote, or his main focus. seems like that was jan today and knights/sheep yesterday

[theknightsofneeee]

yea this is basically how i feel about them

thx for the other reads too :y:


artic probably cleared themselves in my eyes with their post last couple of pages tbh

lettuce see where i am at if i kinda yolo it just for fun


just villagers
ladd
newcomb
didistetter
artic
grrr

confident villagers, ordered
bop
jan

rask

this is where reads i strongly care about end

wisdom - if i am wrong somehwere here i'd guess its them
dya - maybeee some worlds where they a wolf but based on toan/meta i'd say they are fairly likely to be villa

leaning villa but losing a bit of confidence/some worlds where they are a wolf with manti if manti w
insomnia
sunbae


the rest, ordered in 2 tiers. no order within tiers

ender - feels villagery but surface level
sheep - bit unsure but i think i am cool with havig them here for now

benneh - feel like i did him a bit dirty cause havent made much of an effort on my part to re read his iso and find him but thats mostly cause i wanst gonna lunch him today anyway
knights - confusing play
gemma - have trouble believing his posts show genuine solving
maple - no read but interesting web of connections. prob a strong wolf pr if wolf
cobalt - see ya tomorrow; maybe



not evne gonna list monte/vanta

i forgot syn, they are in the ender/sheep tier


i'll bbl




as an aside imo its a super interesting game and am personally very curious to find out what was going on d1 with flips in mind. hope it's nothing too boring but idts

has knights tried to be villagery tho? Some spooky gemma votes ngl


@manti i'd be curious of a benneh iso



i think bop is a villager cause of what he did not say but clearly was thinking vs what he actually said. Like i think in his mind he was linking me and wisdom even if he never said so explicitely but i could FEEL that he was clearing thinking about game/associations/worlds, whateve ryou wanna call it in a critical way

no one asked but i saw grr post their bop villa read so i figured i may chime in cause i feel pretty good about it now

I'm fine with it. his reaction to my claim has only been wolfy. he made it a dichotomy before knowing my conditional and has been outright hostile even though we *could* have been v/v shooting the same target. He also got upset when I pointed out i had crumbed it earlier than he did and I basically defended the shot in thread from the start of day. I was hoping to be the NK when I did that because Im out of shots but like...idk that they will bother now

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yeah dya is always a villager here btw

raskol probably a wolf because of that but I didn't see the lead up to the claim, was he under pressure? why did he claim?

i'm doubtful there is 2 villa vigs that can shoot on the same night, and the wolves don't have matching kp (althought as i'm typing this out I remembered arsonist potential because of wisdom and thats leading me to reconsider)

hmph

visor probably wouldn't allow for stacking in such a small setup but it would depend if the arsonist had a BPV or something.

[Montmorency]

forgetting to put syn on the list and not giving a reason for putting them there (when they gave a reason for everyone else in the wolves tier) feels kinda partner'y, having gemma in your bottom tier and then being concerned about the people voting gemma also feels weird/not what I would expect from villa!ladd when someone he thinks is a wolf is getting voted, and he repeatedly pushed multiple villagers throughout the day (myself, sheep, gemma) in ways that are soft shade'y and feel wolfy to me in retrospect (and they felt wolfy to me yesterday as well)




raskol is probably a wolf if the claim is directly competeing with dya, because I hard read dya as villager

but the heart wants what it wants

Vote: ladd

Yeah, it's ladd-ender. Astonishing how both ladd and syn forgot to rank eachother on their leans lists.

Although this

maple - no read but interesting web of connections. prob a strong wolf pr if wolf

hits different now.

Vote:ladd

[Gemma]

I conceded that there could be but rask didn't even consider it. he's been wolfy since I claimed.

well i hope ur wrong bc im gonna look stupid af if he's a wolf lol

[dyachei]

yeah dya is always a villager here btw

raskol probably a wolf because of that but I didn't see the lead up to the claim, was he under pressure? why did he claim?

i'm doubtful there is 2 villa vigs that can shoot on the same night, and the wolves don't have matching kp (althought as i'm typing this out I remembered arsonist potential because of wisdom and thats leading me to reconsider)

hmph

visor probably wouldn't allow for stacking in such a small setup but it would depend if the arsonist had a BPV or something.

rask was under pressure from what I remember seeing

You should note I'm conditional - my vig only goes off if no one else targets the player and i'm one shot

[theknightsofneeee]

Yeah, it's ladd-ender. Astonishing how both ladd and syn forgot to rank eachother on their leans lists.

Although this



hits different now.

Vote:ladd

i think if ladd is a wolf that is his way of setting up a possible mislynch on maple later, because maple tends to both a) endgame a lot and b) be mislynchable depending on the player list.

this is the type of player list where its actually relatively hard to mislynch maple IMO, because people will accurately clear him, but if you're a wolf you have to keep options open.



and thats what ladd's game feels like to me.

more than solving the game and pushing wolves, he's clearing the obvious villagers (newcomb/grr/bop) but still trying to spread shade to everyone

[Montmorency]

rask was under pressure from what I remember seeing

You should note I'm conditional - my vig only goes off if no one else targets the player and i'm one shot

Is the vig wasted if you co-target? If you don't know, can you ask Visor if you can shoot tonight? You don't have to tell us btw.

[Gemma]

does anyone know what wagons are aorn

if theres a viable cw to rask id go there but also not interested in flashing ladd imo

[theknightsofneeee]

i'm obviously willing to give jan a day or two because of the claim (probably exactly 2)

but if raskol flips wolf its unlikely that both jan and raskol claimed before EOD as wolves, so i would probably just assume he's villa until close to lylo.

gonna read raskol's claim/reaction to dya and make sure i'm okay with him dying here

[dyachei]

Is the vig wasted if you co-target? If you don't know, can you ask Visor if you can shoot tonight? You don't have to tell us btw.

it's wasted

[Gemma]

i think if ladd is a wolf that is his way of setting up a possible mislynch on maple later, because maple tends to both a) endgame a lot and b) be mislynchable depending on the player list.

this is the type of player list where its actually relatively hard to mislynch maple IMO, because people will accurately clear him, but if you're a wolf you have to keep options open.



and thats what ladd's game feels like to me.

more than solving the game and pushing wolves, he's clearing the obvious villagers (newcomb/grr/bop) but still trying to spread shade to everyone

misyeet/misyeeted/misyeetable

j-j-j-joe

[Gemma]

i'm obviously willing to give jan a day or two because of the claim (probably exactly 2)

but if raskol flips wolf its unlikely that both jan and raskol claimed before EOD as wolves, so i would probably just assume he's villa until close to lylo.

gonna read raskol's claim/reaction to dya and make sure i'm okay with him dying here

wtf jan also claimed lmao

what even hapopened while i was sleeping jesus

[Maple]

Call me a lunchable the way I get voted out in endgames

[Maple]

wtf jan also claimed lmao

what even hapopened while i was sleeping jesus

Mass claim for some inexplicable reason

[Gemma]

Call me a lunchable the way I get voted out in endgames

lunch is the bare minimum effort yes

[theknightsofneeee]

read benneh iso

liked his treatment of Sunbae (following up on his stated read about sunbae being a collaborator as a villager), agree with him on dya being obvious villa, and think he's pushing in the right areas (ender/jan/raskol) but I would maybe argue that he doesn't feel like he's inquisitive/probing enough this game, more that he's an observer/commenter than a wolf hunter.

still would put him as a villa lean, but not in top tier villas.

[Gemma]

is everyone just postcapped or what?

isnt it like 15 min to eod?