Tarot Mafia

[insomnia]

numbers wise i'm highly highly skeptical there would be another 3p. it made sense for there to be one at 22players since the additional player vs a normal 21er being 16/5

a 2 neut team with a factional would be kinda nuts unless theres only 4 wolves (but even then it still feels hard to balance aroudn that)

so wtf happened last night, wolves have 3kp?

[Jan]

numbers wise i'm highly highly skeptical there would be another 3p. it made sense for there to be one at 22players since the additional player vs a normal 21er being 16/5

a 2 neut team with a factional would be kinda nuts unless theres only 4 wolves (but even then it still feels hard to balance aroudn that)

we played that setup kind of back in the day on videomafia.

4 wolves vs sk/arson team vs village in 20-25 person games (I don't remember the exact numbers tbh)

[Montmorency]

Heckuva job, fellas. ffs

At least we cleared dya.

[dyachei]

oh yeah mont is not a wolf but he could be a 3p

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[nebjiamn]

Ah fuck it. I can't be asked to wait.

I was jailkeeper and am now jailkeeper.
which is just very funny.

n1 protected stett (I expected Newcomb would only be targeted if wolves have strongman and stett was the dodgekill)
good chance that I actually got a protection on stett if we look at 3 kills tonight.

n2 protected dya in case they were bluffing about part of their role and are odd night vig).
this does tell us that dya did not do any of the kills inc ase anyone was paranoid for some reason.

keep in mind your target last night is likely cleared of being wolf (and maybe villa, but i kinda doubt it?) KP and there's probably at least 2 maybe 3 (if wolves didn't space out the factional) ppl that would have carried last night

also tiny chance you blocked a 4th kill :p but that would be a lot for n2 in this size game with a dead neut

dont out it ofc but factor it in

[Jan]

so wtf happened last night, wolves have 3kp?

3 wolf kp maybe if matts role got inverted to a kp role.

An arsonist could douse n1 and ignite n2. (only if the devil was not arsonist ofc)

that is all I really have.

[nebjiamn]

so wtf happened last night, wolves have 3kp?

could be delayed, reactionary, idk

inb4 maple claims she PGO'd someone

[grr]

grr thank you for the vote history

would you mind spoilering it next time?

ya sure. btw i didnt have time to read stuff and the first person who i wanted to question a bit about something is dead (it was arctic hehehe) so ill just be back tomorrow cya.

[Jan]

keep in mind your target last night is likely cleared of being wolf (and maybe villa, but i kinda doubt it?) KP and there's probably at least 2 maybe 3 (if wolves didn't space out the factional) ppl that would have carried last night

also tiny chance you blocked a 4th kill :p but that would be a lot for n2 in this size game with a dead neut

dont out it ofc but factor it in

I outted dya as n2 target already because my role got inverted and is different now. I am now a Jailkeeper!

[nebjiamn]

3 wolf kp maybe if matts role got inverted to a kp role.

An arsonist could douse n1 and ignite n2. (only if the devil was not arsonist ofc)

that is all I really have.

thematically i hoep this is/was the case, cause that's cute

[nebjiamn]

I outted dya as n2 target already because my role got inverted and is different now. I am now a Jailkeeper!

oh derp

i read that too and just blanked

[Montmorency]

I really disliked that Rask pile-on. Dya had a stronger claim in a vacuum (whom we can at least be comfortable clearing), but this wasn't exclusive of preserving Rask. Ultimately I couldn't lean on this to make a case, but he was more or less acting in his town meta throughout D2 that I could see.

Vote:ladd

You know what you gotta do. Look at that sign. 4 mafs, minimum. I was wrong about CL (I think Maple shotem), but ladd is the godfather here, so to speak.

[Dolby]

I expect Wisdom, Ender, and Maple to all come in pushing me and/or Monty

Big question for me for how I view EOD is 1. Is Rask a killing or jester role. I think almost certainly a SK variant. In that case I actually really like Gemma’s EoD. Mafia have probably clocked that Rask is SK by that point and I don’t think that Gemma would be saying that they were saying about the claims then. Same applies to a way lesser extent to Monty. I kind of don’t like Vantas vote on Dya looking at it in retrospect bc like, any town should recognize that Rask looks worse but I also think that Vanta was kinda disconnected from the thread in that moment so it’s probably fine

I think Ender can turn it around but bro is probs wolfing, more at 11

[insomnia]

even with jan's claim, the only explanation that makes sense to me is 3p faction with factional kill (if we're assuming mont wasn't just a massive troll for no reason whatsoever in a tight 1v1 with BIG STAKES - it really wasn't, everyone was gonna kill rask lol)

and i guess syn being a good role is no longer the world. in a legit!jan world, the wolves targeted stett n1 and dya / rask stacked, rask claimed for cred in order to live is what im assuming since he didn't think villa vig shot because of the crosskill. he might've thought villas have some other form of PR cuz 3p kill and wolf kp is already enough or he just knew 100% (except not!) that sheep was his rightful kill to claim

[insomnia]

I really disliked that Rask pile-on. Dya had a stronger claim in a vacuum (whom we can at least be comfortable clearing), but this wasn't exclusive of preserving Rask. Ultimately I couldn't lean on this to make a case, but he was more or less acting in his town meta throughout D2 that I could see.

Vote:ladd

You know what you gotta do. Look at that sign. 4 mafs, minimum. I was wrong about CL (I think Maple shotem), but ladd is the godfather here, so to speak.

loooooooool

[Gemma]

keep in mind your target last night is likely cleared of being wolf (and maybe villa, but i kinda doubt it?) KP and there's probably at least 2 maybe 3 (if wolves didn't space out the factional) ppl that would have carried last night

also tiny chance you blocked a 4th kill :p but that would be a lot for n2 in this size game with a dead neut

dont out it ofc but factor it in

how do we know wolves carry? i checked op and dont see it am i blind

[Jan]

oh derp

i read that too and just blanked

as upside and headup - I can now execute people!

[Montmorency]

to be honest idek why montmorency would out at a point where rask was ensured to die if he can still carry a factional

i really love closed setups

would only make sense if their wincon was to both win and they were pretty much done anyway so the best they can attempt is to save rask by outing and they try to weasel out somehow, but this sounds like tinfoil territory

Well, I actually am a Lover. But I'm not aligned with Rask.

Why did I lie about Rask? Chaos. He was dying, and shouldn't, but what was left. I also wanted to find out whether there would be a bandwagon effect on him. Also, Lovers have been some of my funniest roles.

I think stetter may have been arsoned. What was @Wisdom doing?

@Ender claimed to have targeted stetter N1 with an unspecified power, which needs elaboration.

[nebjiamn]

how do we know wolves carry? i checked op and dont see it am i blind

its pretty standard outside mashes, idt i've played a non-carry game in more than 5 years

[Gemma]

as upside and headup - I can now execute people!

you lucky bastard

[Sunbae]

This has been one of the funniest games I've gotten to play in years. My personal villa reads aren't dying while, imo, being pretty villagery still. My sponged villa reads (that I'm sponging off of my personal villa reads) ARE dying and flipping villa. And the people I'm not villa reading are dying and flipping non-villa. I'm just here for the vibes and social aspect yet I'm having the best first couple of days in a game I've had in ages. Of course that can just be due to the order of flips and all that but right now I'm feeling like I'm killing it.

What does that tell me? That I should keep vibing and shitposting because it's working.

However, there's been enough flips that my brain is realllly wanting me to dig into stuff for puzzle solving purposes. So maybe I'm going to turn on my solving hat this game day cause I feel like it. Expect it overnight when I'm around.

Benneh, we are both unknowns on day 3 this can be a vibe check for the ages! Obv gonna work with whoever but I'm very excited to gamegamegame with you as a last hurrah.

[insomnia]

there's no way you're an actual lover with this amount of kp

this setup must be approved by UD if mont is legit

[insomnia]

nobody claiming any card thus far, to the surprise of no one

[Sunbae]

and yes blah blah could be a wolf blah blah
but can we all agree that if im a villager im doing awesome i could really use the positivity and feels good hehe

[Montmorency]

I outted dya as n2 target already because my role got inverted and is different now. I am now a Jailkeeper!

So what's the difference between being a jailkeeper and being a jailkeeper?

as upside and headup - I can now execute people!

???

[nebjiamn]

This has been one of the funniest games I've gotten to play in years. My personal villa reads aren't dying while, imo, being pretty villagery still. My sponged villa reads (that I'm sponging off of my personal villa reads) ARE dying and flipping villa. And the people I'm not villa reading are dying and flipping non-villa. I'm just here for the vibes and social aspect yet I'm having the best first couple of days in a game I've had in ages. Of course that can just be due to the order of flips and all that but right now I'm feeling like I'm killing it.

What does that tell me? That I should keep vibing and shitposting because it's working.

However, there's been enough flips that my brain is realllly wanting me to dig into stuff for puzzle solving purposes. So maybe I'm going to turn on my solving hat this game day cause I feel like it. Expect it overnight when I'm around.

Benneh, we are both unknowns on day 3 this can be a vibe check for the ages! Obv gonna work with whoever but I'm very excited to gamegamegame with you as a last hurrah.

i dont really feel much validation for my play but i'm happy we're (seemingly) winning and im being carried over the finish line and i'm glad i made it this far because yea, i feel like we only ever get to do this in turbs and i finally have a looser schedule this week to really focus and dig in and im eager to see what you got and what we can figure out together

[nebjiamn]

So what's the difference between being a jailkeeper and being a jailkeeper?



???

there is an alternate version of jailkeepers (sometimes called jailers in games like Wolvesville and Throne of Lies I think) that can actually jailkeep someone and get the option to kill them instead of protect

i assume this is what he's talking about

[dyachei]

i dont really feel much validation for my play but i'm happy we're (seemingly) winning and im being carried over the finish line and i'm glad i made it this far because yea, i feel like we only ever get to do this in turbs and i finally have a looser schedule this week to really focus and dig in and im eager to see what you got and what we can figure out together

i dont get this view because like...we just lost 3 pretty clear villa overnight

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[Gemma]

So what's the difference between being a jailkeeper and being a jailkeeper?



???

he's now sexier

[Montmorency]

its pretty standard outside mashes, idt i've played a non-carry game in more than 5 years

Carry as in one mafioso's exclusive NA that night?

Carry and factional are both common.

What does that tell me? That I should keep vibing and shitposting because it's working.

That's a touch crumby.

Benneh, we are both unknowns on day 3 this can be a vibe check for the ages! Obv gonna work with whoever but I'm very excited to gamegamegame with you as a last hurrah.

Hilarious. Both you and neb are my true nulls still.

there's no way you're an actual lover with this amount of kp

this setup must be approved by UD if mont is legit

I am 100% a Lover. Think about it. I hardclaimed D1 btw.