Tarot Mafia

[Sunbae]

@Sunbae i reread eod focusing on gemma a bit more beyond the iso and ... ya, sorry, not much changed

i wont be floored if they're a wolf but i still see little things that make me lean v? like i hear what you are saying but its not clicking for me

Thank you! Noted (just wanted to acknowledge etc)

[grr]

Zzz....

[Sunbae]

Benneh prob v, ladd I keep flipflopping on but right now i think w, and vanta is likely newer villager here and having a hard time parsing what looks to be role madness

ty dya

[grr]

@insomnia want some help/input? ( xD )

[insomnia]

What if you remember I mostly just reread eods and major events and recall very little from early d1 that doesnt specifically involve me!!!!

Noted on second paragraph. Do you think my longer post on Ladd is just flawed then? It's possible of course!

it's so rough with ladd

here's tha thang. i've done numerous posts on why i think he's a wolf, which, objectively, i just feel are correct. im not sure someone can disagree or fight against it, not even ladd himself. the facts are that he hasn't had a solid push yet past d1, and the ones on d1 were all wrong. the only unflipped we don't know about is gemma

however, he kinda makes up for that by just having really solid villa reads at the right time. i feel like, if anything, this should be the reason he's being villa read, not anything else.

but there's simply something lacking in his play and i think it's that he'd already have a clear direction that we can all see through his pushing. the fact he keeps hammering down on the villa reads instead of pushing for wolves in this spot is also a big grievance of mine, although that maybe is a bit unfair

he's just an amazing player so it's hard to really put it into words beyond just a feeling he's not having the village's interest at heart. he feels really calculated and cunning in his posting, like he's avoiding stepping on eggshells.

now my tinfoil is that, in a ladd wolf world, he's actually a strong PR / KP for them. this would explain his positioning on syn, basically never attempting to defend a teammate that's under heat but he also doesn't want to hard push him because then he'd need an answer for why he's alive. that's why it bugs me why he's only stating village reads and doing no pushing. also, it's really easy and safe to distance from Syn because idt he's ever had a game where he doesn't die early as wolf (no offense). he did all the right things, pocketing newcomb and poking at villas on d1, but this is why i hate he isn't just running a train across his wolf reads.

i guess this is my problem, his posts just don't seem that villagery to me, but positioning wise he just looks good. and i guess it's also a game state type of read where i'd expect him to have some reads and push them rn that he simply isn't concerned with

i feel like he tried to throw small punches at villas all game, pocket certain players and once he got his footing in, he just stuck to villa reading anti-consensus players for cred, because pushing people would be harder or he'd even be forced to bus if we're doing good, maybe. i just really need to see him push people and why

[insomnia]

@insomnia want some help/input? ( xD )

idk, if you have strong thoughts on my PoE

otherwise not sure what to ask. im pretty set on the resolve i have now, i just don't know the order

im debating just going full lazy mode until i see maple and wisdom flip, not sure what else there needs to be done

[Dolby]

I kinda want to flip ladd now before Wisdom, though I may feel differently if Ladd comes in with a solid bite someone

But like, Maple/Ladd/Wisdom just makes sense to me? And I do feel that Ender can fit in with that group

[grr]

Yeah I have something insomnia.

let me show u the entire Wisdom progression on ladd here:

I really should stop playing on phone why am I like this.

Apparently all but Monte has posted but it feels like I missed half the playerlist.

The way Ender solves through relaxing and vibing is something that I associate with his town game.

On the other side, Cobalt seems a bit stiff and forced. For some reason his post on this page, about him liking people talking about him, wasn't in his ISO (I'm going insane). It felt real though.

Rask... for some reason I expected him to be more hype than he's shown so far, but I know that he really didn't want to rand wolf this game and I'd think he'd put more effort into seeming solvy than he's done so he's probably town anyway.

I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset. @Raskolnikov I think you know why I'm worried, can you explain why you instantly locked him town?

Newcomb/Ladd is unlikely w/w and I feel like I agree with everything they say even when I don't. So, hopefully both are town and shouldn't be too hard to find them if they're alive wolves in later game.

Jan is still town. Retracting town leans on Sheep and Stett for the time being.

Unvote

TIME FOR SOME HIPFIRE TRASH READS

I usually wait with sharing reads until I vibe hard enough or have found anything AI but let's do an experiment and just throw out the first thing that comes to mind on every player. I expect this to be terrible accuracy but hey maybe something is worth pursuing.

EnderWiggin -> Yeah I think he's probably town, good vibes in thread, doesn't remind me of his wolf games and I'm quite sure I've seen a few of them.

ColonelLubriderm -> Stop not being GH, I literally can't find you until you stop not being GH because every time you post I feel like I have to focus on reminding myself that you're not GH. I noted you as non w/w with someone but I'm not gonna check who. (I like you outside of that, Bop, just stop not being GH please)

Newcomb -> Feels like he's everyone's comfort blanket this game. He's my comfort blanket at least. Probably town.

didistetter -> Opening bugged me, good vibes in rest of post, but far from the super-stett I know and love. Null.

Jan -> Obv town, we should mason

Gemma -> Hi you were in my last game here so I'm sorry I haven't paid any attention to you

nebjiamn -> Mjeh no you tunneled me last game for having you in my PoE until I you got me yeeted (Despite me being obv!town), it feels like you haven't done much AI yet tho, but you haven't really been in my solve zone yet. I got pinged by your town read on me but meh.

theknightsofneeee -> People talk about you, you talk back, you've sadly not been in my focus yet.

ladd -> Vibes like town ladd? Not sure how to describe it. His town read on me felt more real than Benneh's.

dyachei -> You had a post that I liked earlier but I can't recall what it was about. Feels a bit UTR right now.

sheepsaysmeep -> Shrug

Sunbae -> Cute traitor

C0balt -> Is either wolf or misyeet bait, don't really want to go there today.

grr -> Also a bit UTR but I'm not sure if that's just because my solve zone hasn't handled everyone yet.

Raskolnikov -> Probably town and drunk

Maple -> Does Maple ever post anything AI d1? I'm not sure I've seen it.

insomnia -> Probably the one I've played with the most here and I still can't read you.

Arctic -> Someone said you sounded like a robot. I opened your ISO, noped, and then did other stuff.

Syn -> I don't like that I sus you when you seem happy. But my meta burned me last game so I'll just trust Rask's clear on you for the moment. Maybe one day I'll see what he sees.

Vanta Black -> Can't recall what you posted, sorry about that!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Just a spoiler to out those who only read their own name and then jumped to the spoiler

i forgot syn, they are in the ender/sheep tier


i'll bbl




as an aside imo its a super interesting game and am personally very curious to find out what was going on d1 with flips in mind. hope it's nothing too boring but idts

Towny post and overall nice reads. I didn't really feel that Bop's push on me was in good faith so I'd place him close to the bottom, but the rest is reasonable.

I don't think I'll be able to play more tonight so just some last thoughts.

Jan is bleeding town and it's about far more than his opening, which in itself is enough to warrant the Wisdom D1 town lock tbh.

Other than that I don't have anyone I really want to bank the game on being town, but Newcomb, Ladd, Ender, Rask and grr are all up there. Yeeting Sunbae and Stett is probably a bad idea too.

Gemma is good enough to end my vote on but it sure sucks to miss the most fun/important part of the game.

Kinda surprised that there haven't really been any real spice so far (except grr pushing newcomb) but the game is fun and you're all awesome so I don't mind :3

With that I wish y'all a good night! <3 Stay hyped and hydrated!

i have seen it


how would you expect syn/rask w/w to play out?

Syn would probably bus Rask lol
And Rask would probably avoid Syn until there's some thread temp on him

Maybe. Just my 2c

didnt you villa read vanta yesterday?

you are allowed to change your mind obviously, but i feel they have done something villagery for you



thoughts on eod if u read it? general poe still the same or?

They had some towny vibe in their opening posts but it was mostly a gut reaction from my part, not based on any reasoning. I think they're quite a bit of macro town vibes but I can't see anything towny when I squint.

It's a bit of a coward vote, because obviously I'm missing a few wolves, but it's the safest vote. My read of both Vanta and Gemma reminds me of how I felt about Neowise in my recent Champs game (wolf), and also like Vanta/Gemma did in our last game. In that game Vanta was town though (Gemma was still a w) but I think it's a good idea to give them some pressure.

Na I haven't really gotten invested enough to have many hard stances yet, but everytime I see you post a read I disagree with it (maybe not true, but at least with Syn/Bop).

What do you feel about a Vanta wagon today?

And what's your thoughts on Ladd/Ender?

Vanta is rand aorn. I do think they will produce reads if given time and like I thunk there are more productive things to do tbh.

Ladd v, ender null (i have posted a bit about Ladd if u wanna dig, Ender is a slot I will ISO today or try to interact if given the chance)

Is there a way to see full posts when ISOing people? Because Ctrl+F Ladd on your ISO gave me nothing except "Sucks to be Ladd" ^^'

Tbh Jan, I think Ladd is a villager here for this. Id be dead I guess otherwise.

To be complete too about Syn, me quoting his "sleep, not sheep" post is me expressing a little ping. Though y, I was still expecting a green flip. Hope it helps solving our slots

If this is what you mean I don't really get it.

In the world I live in (syn woof, me villa) there is no need for Ladd to be so adamant pushing a villa read on me when 1 I am afk most of the day 2 thread momentum at eod makes me a prime yeet target. W!ladd can just look elsewhere and let the village kill me.
@Gemma: yes

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Depends on who else would be wolfing but sure, I see what you mean.

Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!

Yeah right now I'd say...

Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask

Leaning town
Ender
Ladd

Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett

Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae

Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta

I honestly dont really get why u feel so strongly about it

If all i read was eod, jan would look bad iyam

He defended syn and is clearly not spewed wolf so id say it worked


I just read eod again and what i find strange is how much jan suddenly cares once syn becomes a wagon, like he was pretty chill until the syn wagon and then he goes "ham"



@Wisdom why dolby so low? Why gemma?

Dolby is mostly a PoE slot right now.

Gemma isn't doing much with her time in thread and it doesn't seem like she have more thoughts than she's sharing if you know what I mean with that.

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But also a bit of vanity because I wanna see if I hit a wolf d1 and that'd probably clear me

Btw benneh, my main push d2 was maple. I was voting them all day until they claimed confirmable role, i thinknits really easy to disalign them and me (even from d1 posts)


For the rest i dont agree with clearing wisdom from rask flip cause i dont think visor would put a firefighter just to ckunter a poor neutral. Like u are really putting a neutral arso itg which is super hard to play and also giving thr village a counter? Iyam no


I think rask was prolly like an sk who was telling the truth abiut their shots but got unlucky

I initially thought two of Stett/Bop/Arson were w!Arson kills (would imply they could ignite and douse the same night) but I'm probably just here to screw things up due to flipless.

I'm useless now so might as well claim the rest. I targeted Stett n1 and Bop n2 so if those two got arsoned despite that some major fuckery is going on. Rask being SK and no arsonist existing makes sense.

I'm starting to suspect ladd is a wolf who's pocketing/whiteknighting me tbh, but it's hard to explain why

But when I think that there's 3-4 wolves in 14 players (right?) and that he's alive it's easy to think he's a wolf.

Like, the easiest world is it's like Gemma/Vanta/Dolby/Monte but it's never that easy. Ladd's easy to tinfoil, and then we have Knights and Benneh who I've got no clue on, and Ender who I can't remember a single d2 post from but I read he claimed pr.

Dya's town. Grr's probably town. I still want to think Jan is my D1 Town Clear and won't re-evaluate unless alive end game, if he's town pr he'll just die eventually anyway. And Maple who I don't know what his deal is.

My goal for today is finding 8 villagers, I have 3 right now +2 potential pr's. I'm soon done with work so can put some more work in when I get home.

(this one is my favorite so i made it bigger)

I didn't. You misunderstood me (I wasn't very clear). He and Ender should have been in between the other two piles as a "possibly pr" pile. I just didn't think about him (mainly due to not knowing if he had already done his self resolving or not) until the end and editing posts on phone is hell.

Also, I didn't mean that all 4 in Gemma/you/Vanta/Monte are wolves, just that it would make the game easier if you were (and I didn't have any tr's there but I think your recent posts are towny). Wolf!Ladd and Wolf!Manti are both hard to yeet.

Gemma has pretty much the same reads as I do.

If she's w/w with both Maple and Ladd I don't think her only focus today would be ladd/maple/wisdom.

So if Ladd/Maple are w/w I don't think Gemma is wolfing but Gemmas play is quite narrow/static from what I've seen so she probably still a wolf.

Implying Maple/Ladd not being w/w.

Here's the thing. I think Wisdom is a wolf who decided to not bus this game (a bird whispered to me once she generally decides pregame if she wants to bus or not and then sticks with it. i have seen this once myself). She is pretty stuck with their solving because of that, she needs to protect her wolfpals which is why her reads have pretty strange focus either on slots that gonna resolve soon anyway like Rask or Maple, or on slots that are pretty much dead-ends to sus into, stetter and me. recently she is kinda distancing from ladd but also still somewhat reluctant on it because she is the one who wants to end up being bussed, not vice versa.

thots? @insomnia

[grr]

idk, if you have strong thoughts on my PoE

otherwise not sure what to ask. im pretty set on the resolve i have now, i just don't know the order

im debating just going full lazy mode until i see maple and wisdom flip, not sure what else there needs to be done

I hope you are a bit wary of the fact that u will get nightkilled next and i will become randomly MLable and i also tend to get lost when i lose my towncore. (a lot have already died and the people remaining start nibbling at my toes.). lmao. (i'll try my best tho no worries)

also, no idea what maple is cooking tbh. he also claims to be potentially pocketed by ladd and is confused by wisdom which is funny af if they are both wolves.

[Dolby]

fwiw on the matter IH is that she can be teammed with ladd still and that I still sus her overall worldview yesterday which had Jan/rask at the top and me/gemma/vanta at the bottom. I don't really like the directions they have chosen to go a lot of the game until today

While I suppose I should put in more effort into clearing Gemma, I think that Jan/Rask both at the top of their reads is a discongrous worldview. I like their d3 better, and they are voting Maple now, but Maple is kind of a forced vote and that's not saying much, but uh, maybe I am not reading that last post clearly but that really looks like they are using ladd/maple not w/w to justify shading Gemma, and it kind of does give them space to get back off of Maple and on to Gemma later, but I can't believe that Wisdom thinks wagons today aren't going to be Wisdom/Maple anyway?

If the ladd pocket post had come at any point on day two I would like it a lot, but it doesn't. It's coming on d3 when options are narrowing and ladd is in the crossfires pretty solidily now. And also like, when has ladd pocketed Wisdom? Maybe I've missed something but they've interacted noramlly but infrequently as far as I can recall. Would have to read back for that to evaluate as well

[Dolby]

I hope you are a bit wary of the fact that u will get nightkilled next and i will become randomly MLable and i also tend to get lost when i lose my towncore. (a lot have already died and the people remaining start nibbling at my toes.). lmao. (i'll try my best tho no worries)

also, no idea what maple is cooking tbh. he also claims to be potentially pocketed by ladd and is confused by wisdom which is funny af if they are both wolves.

ladd/maple/wisdom is the world that I'm currently living in

[grr]

also from what i have seen people are COMPLETELY dropping everyones legacies immediately so you'll also be forgotten the minute ur dead. xD I cant recall anyone ever referring to a legacy (it probably happened once or twice I struggle to be aware of everything).

(which is also kinda a subtle hint to me that dead villa legacies are probs decent).

[grr]

fwiw on the matter IH is that she can be teammed with ladd still and that I still sus her overall worldview yesterday which had Jan/rask at the top and me/gemma/vanta at the bottom. I don't really like the directions they have chosen to go a lot of the game until today

While I suppose I should put in more effort into clearing Gemma, I think that Jan/Rask both at the top of their reads is a discongrous worldview. I like their d3 better, and they are voting Maple now, but Maple is kind of a forced vote and that's not saying much, but uh, maybe I am not reading that last post clearly but that really looks like they are using ladd/maple not w/w to justify shading Gemma, and it kind of does give them space to get back off of Maple and on to Gemma later, but I can't believe that Wisdom thinks wagons today aren't going to be Wisdom/Maple anyway?

If the ladd pocket post had come at any point on day two I would like it a lot, but it doesn't. It's coming on d3 when options are narrowing and ladd is in the crossfires pretty solidily now. And also like, when has ladd pocketed Wisdom? Maybe I've missed something but they've interacted noramlly but infrequently as far as I can recall. Would have to read back for that to evaluate as well

don't think he did really (at least not recently, I think d1 there was a bit of good attitude from ladd's side at least) but its just the kinda thing wolves say about their wolfbuddy when they decided to change course.

gonna have to leave I need to focus a bit on cooking irl. honestly I have not thought much about the detailed shade they would be doing wrt gemma ngl. I am just seeing a general vibe there wrt ladd.

[Sunbae]

also from what i have seen people are COMPLETELY dropping everyones legacies immediately so you'll also be forgotten the minute ur dead. xD I cant recall anyone ever referring to a legacy (it probably happened once or twice I struggle to be aware of everything).

(which is also kinda a subtle hint to me that dead villa legacies are probs decent).

i have been bringing up bop/stett/newcomb/arctic!

[EnderWiggin]

(I have not caught up and will not be catching up rn. Just about to drive to work.)
@Sunbae

Will you be around about 4 or 5 hours from now?

Was thinking last night in bed about liking your follow on to your 'campaign promises' and woke up feeling like realtiming with you might be best way to get my brain on about you instead of waving flags like an F1 lap announcer.

Pls ping with response. Ty <3

[insomnia]

yeah ih, i've read wisdom's posts where before, i'll be honest, i straight up ignored them

Not because i don't like their posts but only because I knew that if I did read them, i'd always come to the conclusion they're a wolf. Mostly because i was skimming all the time on forums and just always thought to myself "how are you supposed to villa read them?" but i really really hate some of the posts that i did end up reading

I guess your point adds up to my tinfoil of ladd being the KP. but in a ladd / maple / wisdom world they're all simply doomed

[insomnia]

I think the most odd part is that their turnaround on ladd seems really abrupt

And what do you mean you don't have a reason to think they're pocketing you, if I make that call i have at least one reason why i think they could be a wolf, and based off that i'd deduce they were pocketing me

But if the meta you have is legit then i could see it. Their susses are 0/3 fmpov, it was gemma / vanta and who else? Just doesn't seem like the place to be in right now, but im not some werewolf guru and i could be wrong /shrug

Gemma's iso is really not impressive, but EoD1 is a pretty good look for them as it is

[insomnia]

as it stands

Jan / dya probably legit villas imo and are the roles they claim. if arctic is somehow KP that killed sheep and didn't jump in then we just lol at him

Grr is meta very likely villager

Ender is villagery and also claims PR. gonna wifom this line to say he's the inverter role off PoE but it could be someone else hehe

Dolby is just posting villagery for me.

These two people I have as connected: Knights was a strong bop read and I also like that he focuses on jan / ladd and Gemma isn't really as villagery as I've seen of them, but I can't deny EoD1 is good for them. If ladd / wisdom / maple doesn't flip several wolves, then I guess here could be the disconnect and we were living in a "wolves got clapped early and we cleared them without knowing we were wagonning wolves". However, it felt like an EoD where wolves weren't active to me

Benneh / sunbae no real thoughts

Vanta Black I kinda feel like is a villager. As a wolf I think they'd succumb to the pressure that is this game and be really stilted and wolfy

Which leaves

Maple / ladd / wisdom / montmorency

[insomnia]

ladd / maple / wisdom are top priority for me. in the ideal world this is 3/3, but probably 2/3. If it's 1/3 then i'd be a little worried

benneh / sunbae probably has 1. this having 2 is probably unlikely

if the above is very wrong, gemma / knights prob has 1 if not 2, but i doubt the above is too wrong

montmorency i need to read

[insomnia]

another point against wisdom is that they had a typical progression from a wolf that will n1 newcomb

"blanket of comfort, he vibes really nice, good for you newcomb, wallposts really suck!"

if they are a villager though then I guess good job, but them not elaborating on it is hard to see it as genuine

[grr]

While I am at it.

Wisdoms progression on Sunbae:

breathes out of relief okay never mind I (Newcomb really) just got trolled

I feel so betrayed, I really trusted Sunbae lol

TIME FOR SOME HIPFIRE TRASH READS

I usually wait with sharing reads until I vibe hard enough or have found anything AI but let's do an experiment and just throw out the first thing that comes to mind on every player. I expect this to be terrible accuracy but hey maybe something is worth pursuing.

EnderWiggin -> Yeah I think he's probably town, good vibes in thread, doesn't remind me of his wolf games and I'm quite sure I've seen a few of them.

ColonelLubriderm -> Stop not being GH, I literally can't find you until you stop not being GH because every time you post I feel like I have to focus on reminding myself that you're not GH. I noted you as non w/w with someone but I'm not gonna check who. (I like you outside of that, Bop, just stop not being GH please)

Newcomb -> Feels like he's everyone's comfort blanket this game. He's my comfort blanket at least. Probably town.

didistetter -> Opening bugged me, good vibes in rest of post, but far from the super-stett I know and love. Null.

Jan -> Obv town, we should mason

Gemma -> Hi you were in my last game here so I'm sorry I haven't paid any attention to you

nebjiamn -> Mjeh no you tunneled me last game for having you in my PoE until I you got me yeeted (Despite me being obv!town), it feels like you haven't done much AI yet tho, but you haven't really been in my solve zone yet. I got pinged by your town read on me but meh.

theknightsofneeee -> People talk about you, you talk back, you've sadly not been in my focus yet.

ladd -> Vibes like town ladd? Not sure how to describe it. His town read on me felt more real than Benneh's.

dyachei -> You had a post that I liked earlier but I can't recall what it was about. Feels a bit UTR right now.

sheepsaysmeep -> Shrug

Sunbae -> Cute traitor

C0balt -> Is either wolf or misyeet bait, don't really want to go there today.

grr -> Also a bit UTR but I'm not sure if that's just because my solve zone hasn't handled everyone yet.

Raskolnikov -> Probably town and drunk

Maple -> Does Maple ever post anything AI d1? I'm not sure I've seen it.

insomnia -> Probably the one I've played with the most here and I still can't read you.

Arctic -> Someone said you sounded like a robot. I opened your ISO, noped, and then did other stuff.

Syn -> I don't like that I sus you when you seem happy. But my meta burned me last game so I'll just trust Rask's clear on you for the moment. Maybe one day I'll see what he sees.

Vanta Black -> Can't recall what you posted, sorry about that!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Just a spoiler to out those who only read their own name and then jumped to the spoiler

What, why did the site delete my reads? Can't stuff be put inside (smaller than) and (bigger than) symbols?

Immediate PoE 3-5 wolves (unordered):
Arctic
Bop
Dya
Gemma
Knights
Maple
Monte
Sunbae
Vanta

Least confident town reads (Unordered):
Benneh
C0balt
Insomnia
Sheep
Stett
Syn

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I won't be able to be here 3 hours before EoD ever, but today I'm going to a boardgame event as well, just a fyi!

I might not have played a ton of games recently but I have railed some from the shadows and like, idk, I feel like people expect out of dya that dya just doesn't ever really actually do and then when they don't see they just shadeshadeshade and then dya gets on the defensive a bit and then because dya has been shaded when they start dropping reads people just throw their hands up a bit and go "oh shucks im not sure what to make out of all this ill just focus elsewhere for a bit" and then they and their reads just kinda sit in their own untouched universe for a couple game days

and like, idk, i read dyas posts and they seem like an obvious villager and id like to try to prevent that from happening here?

I really like this post! I don't see what Sunbae sees but it's a town point for Sunbae and a good reminder that I tend to sus Dya d1 for this exact reason. I still don't see the obv!town stuff but I believe Sunbae seeing it.

holy fuck I forgot about babydik, what an elite moment

I'm not gonna make it a thing but I think your sunbae read is soft. From my POV Sunbae is an elite wolf and his best skill is being able to put out casual, reasonable sounding posts in his sleep. Like literally nothing he's posted is remotely out of his wolfrange IMO. Granted i'm working with relatively old meta at this point.

I'm giving manti a daypass for the "first six words" post, that was slick

I don't really get the artic read. I mean I get the 'said something I thought = more likely village', sure. You're giving points for going all over explainy though? Why?

Noted wrt Sunbae! Still not someone I wanna yeet today.

I might be an idiot but I still think Sunbae's pure. I know it's dumb because it's all macro and I'm really looking for one micro reason to town read him, just anything that's slightly town indicative on a perspective level rather than tone/wim/solvyness, and I just can't.

But he's in my town lean pile anyway, he's cute, sue me.

I don't think I'll be able to play more tonight so just some last thoughts.

Jan is bleeding town and it's about far more than his opening, which in itself is enough to warrant the Wisdom D1 town lock tbh.

Other than that I don't have anyone I really want to bank the game on being town, but Newcomb, Ladd, Ender, Rask and grr are all up there. Yeeting Sunbae and Stett is probably a bad idea too.

Gemma is good enough to end my vote on but it sure sucks to miss the most fun/important part of the game.

Kinda surprised that there haven't really been any real spice so far (except grr pushing newcomb) but the game is fun and you're all awesome so I don't mind :3

With that I wish y'all a good night! <3 Stay hyped and hydrated!

Nvm I've probably slept enough

I would like to interact a bit before the americans realizes sleep is a good thing.

Sunbae, do you think the Syn wagon was pure and if so, why?

I don't think it has to be, no but it's hard for me to gauge the eod vibes without me being around so I'm just taking a lot at face value right now and seeing how everyone reacts today

Oh you also weren't there on EoD, darn ^^

You might be right, but in your woof pile I only really see Mont and Vanta as possible hits.

Thoughts on C0balt/Dolby? Doesn't see him on the list.

thank you for the lore background, saw people saying rask reads syn well but didnt realize it was to that degree. i always hesitate to put a lot of stock in the last sentence type things cause i cant really know what weird things people might try but I will keep it in mind. Out of curiosity, do you feel like Rask posted towards Syn near eod like someone who reads someone well and thinks they are a villager?

Don't think I've read the posts you're talking about. Last Rask/Syn thing I remember was Rask explaining to me why he thought Syn was town.

If I understood this right the following players didn't have a vote down at EoD1:
Cobalt/Dolby
Monte
Maple
Arctic
Sunbae

Maybe not important, I just needed to write it down for my brain's sake

No Arctic/Maple voted Syn last minute Visor just missed them.
Monte voted Rask at some point
Cobalt, Sunbae didn't vote, according to Grr's vote history.

I won't be around at all after these next few posts and vote. If you think I'm the best vote uh, good luck? Think that's hard to be the case on multiple fronts but I cannot stop you!

Still feel pretty ok with where I've been at. Think I've got a prettttty good swath of the game with reads. Doubt they are all accurate but I'm comfy with the reads and how I got there.

Keep circling back to Rask as my best wolf. Something about calling my reads too consensus while they are getting poo poo'd elsewhere for being too out there just makes me think it was shading and finding a reason to do so that sounds reasonable but hadn't actually been reading my posts or thinking about my reads. I don't think anyone else would call the reads consensus!

Still don't find Jan villagery. Don't see why others do and the only thing I get told when asked is "vibes" which, fair it's day 1, but I counter with "I get vibes that say opposite".

@Sunbae can you walk me through why you didn't vote here or during the following 75 minutes you were in thread? You had been active, you had a wolf read.

I forgot about both Mont existing when I wrote that. Ben too, really, but it wouldn't have changed my point.

While it's not worth much, I thought that Benneh in a few bursts of posts (214 to 376 in his iso) varied shitposting with solving in a way that I associate with town PoV, but it's not worth much and doubt it's towny for him specifically.

Maple is mostly a bs read. I liked his talk about getting reversed but when Jan started talking about it I kinda changed my mind, doing mech stuff to mislead is exactly what I expect from w!Maple.

Sunbae just sounds pure.

have i ever explicitly told you that you're delightful to play with wisdom?

Oh, I really don't feel like I'm any fun at all this game, so thanks <3 It means a lot!

You too!

Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!

Yeah right now I'd say...

Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask

Leaning town
Ender
Ladd

Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett

Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae

Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta

My current town core is Dya/Knights/Grr (i trusted people on stett and arctic, ill trust em on Grr too)

Dya is 100% town. I kinda wanna stick to my Jan v read as well but I've pretty much reset overnight.

Why is Knights and Grr top town?

Grr is because I've had just so many people tell me Grr is a villager. Knights I made a long post on a bit ago



I know Bop mentioned them falling off day 2 but they also seemed to just be busy irl and I wont worry unless they fall off today too?


With Jan, I think he's claimed jailkeeper right?
@Jan is that right? Standard jailkeeper now inverted?

The short time I spent in thread before leaving yesterday I thought grr was a bit wolfy tbh

I'll see if I can find your post later

(btw now that i come across this just saying my handling of rask was actually villagery af its clear i was confused about getting my top townread in a CC from someone who shouldnt be a wolf by how the claim went down and then decided to be convinced he is a wolf him after he made the wolfiest post in the entire thread, which shows i have no TMI and read also him exactly like what he was: a serial killer (probably). also makes no sense for me as wolf to push him there cuz if i was a wolf rask is a villa who announced to kill a (likely? dunno) villa tonight).

Could you elaborate on the grrr read?

It's mostly a vibe and I haven't checked it properly, but I think he wasn't doing much in with his time in thread at a point where it was very spicy

Oh no im getting invested

Vote: Sunbae

:wowee:

I forgot about Insomnia and Sunbae. Put them in no clue but I know others town reads them.

Gemma seems like the carton "lots of sus little push" wolf from what I've read. She's probably the best slot to solve atm.

You're forgetting that I'm doing what I can with limited information. I haven't read half d2 and when I don't have enough information on someone I sheep the consensus (ie Knights/Insomnia) but when I find wolfy stuff I'm gonna point it out.

Last game I had here I was pushed all game because my reads weren't consensus. I was wrong on Syn being wolf and he got yeeted d1. I had Logic town d1-d3 and then he got misyeeted. I had Benneh/Hally in my PoE almost all game despite both being consensus town read and after I got misyeeted Hally continued to solo win.

I have good intuition and I know to trust myself and that sometimes it's better to listen to others and sometimes I should listen to my gut and my reasons.

Like, the knights posts I've seen all have looked towny but not unfakeable. Same with Sunbae. And since they aren't focused in thread, I don't prioritze trying to find micro stuff on them because that's going to be easier with more flips anyway.

I have. less to say about this except it also fits the same pattern as with ladd without having a post that struck me as mega pingy. However her tossing sunbae and knights and sunbae and insomnia in bins kinda seems, weird to me as first of all they arent similar at all and second of all it just kinda feels like it's conceiling spew to me. (btw the "knights towny but not unfakeable" rubbed me the wrong in general its kind of half of a vanity thing ig cuz people are obv free to not share every read i make i just didnt like my TR there to be shot down that way.). I dont think Sunbae ever answered Wisdom about prodding about the no-voting and she forgot about it lol (which is also not damning god knows all the shit i forgot to follow up on in this game just a thing i noticed)

[grr]

yeah ih, i've read wisdom's posts where before, i'll be honest, i straight up ignored them

Not because i don't like their posts but only because I knew that if I did read them, i'd always come to the conclusion they're a wolf. Mostly because i was skimming all the time on forums and just always thought to myself "how are you supposed to villa read them?" but i really really hate some of the posts that i did end up reading

I guess your point adds up to my tinfoil of ladd being the KP. but in a ladd / maple / wisdom world they're all simply doomed

this is so funny the people who arent locktowning u are all wolves tbh. (yeah i kinda get it I started to ISO wisdom mid d2 before they claimed and was like "uhh uhhh. no idea" every post.)

[grr]

i have been bringing up bop/stett/newcomb/arctic!

I'm gonna have to look at that later. I think u might have yeah.

[insomnia]

can you quote their progression on newcomb?

pretty sure they were "vibing with him" when all he did was to ask sheep 3 questions and not much else

first time wolfing against the village goat just puts wolves in that mode of pocketing him out of hope that they can be overlooked for just 1 day until they can kill him

[insomnia]

and with that I monologued enough. not sure im gonna do anything else, you all have the floor

i have an interview in about 10 hours so im slep

[grr]

I think legacy wise everyone disliked maple (i hope he flips town cuz its funnier then), and everyone but sheep who TRed her didn't like wisdom, very broadly. (Newcomb had her as ???? or something he had other focuses but wasnt TRing her i believe).

[insomnia]

Ok yeah I had some slight disgust just reading wisdom's read on newcomb that i might actually case it for you all to see

But that's only 10% likely cuz I CAN'T BE DAMNED

such is the way of the washed

[Jan]

6 words. I need to look at that when I get to a pc.

[grr]

can you quote their progression on newcomb?

pretty sure they were "vibing with him" when all he did was to ask sheep 3 questions and not much else

first time wolfing against the village goat just puts wolves in that mode of pocketing him out of hope that they can be overlooked for just 1 day until they can kill him

i dont wanna quote stuff rn cuz its annoying to to so but

shrug, they vibes for much less:

Would be fun, if true! I've never seen him town from this side and I think we solve in a similar way. I really vibed with the "so far nothing AI post".

Also hi, it's been ages since we last played!<3

they TR on him or the vibing not an issue to me if im being honest, like obviously a wolf wouldnt scumread newcomb most of the time simply becuz... they would not want the attention (even when they know newcomb would probs townread them for it they'd be SCARED) but. shrug as i said i can see this also just being a whatever read lol. Calling him a comfort blanket felt a little out of place to me cause that didnt really match how people... interacted with him? talked to him? dunno. idk i dont really care so much about that i could just confbias that as "sure makes sense".

[grr]

my vote isnt final btw im just sending a MESSAGE

(spiritual vote on whatever inso is voting, its maple rn but idrc.)

done for today gn.