Tarot Mafia

[EnderWiggin]

Sorry, can't do it tonight.

2am and I'm dying.

Will try to be back for eod.

Re: Ladd

I haven't finished re-reading him or checking all the things. I can somewhat see what Monty meant by Syn = Kage from the other game, but the question I have is why does Ladd feel defanged in comparison. Like idk Ladd here is doing solving via townreads which... to be fair isn't what I expect out of him either alignment but idk how that's necessarily wolfy.

Idk how else to say this, but Ladd just looks ~good when I read their posts to me. Shrug.

I will try to give it a fair shake of the stick overnight after EOD. I know I said this already but tonight was just no.

[EnderWiggin]

I am kinda living in a knights wolf world right now, that is probably my hottest take



I hated this post today and if you eliminate the syn vote at eod1 their posting just isnt good imo?

their jan push is obsolete by now, their d1 was wolfy (imo, but newcomb agreed!)

I see people saying "knight would tried harder as a wolf" but that read has an accurcay way below rand ime

EoD1 sure looks good from knights but they were already a wagon and widely suspected, I dont think it's really such a crazy buss for them to make. If they wolfside at EoD they just risk both of them going down

See, part of me wants to buy this because it means my D1 was actually good lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Wisdom

#Wagonomics

[ladd]

hmmm maybe Wisdom is worse than Maple tbh

Anyone want to sell me on that?

They just came out of a game where they fakeclaimed d2 as a wolf on MU, their firefighter claim i think is pretty weak for reasons already explained

Their pushes have all been extremely surface level and especially their pushes on vanta/gemma i think lack the care/paranoia wisdom would have there as a villager. Bonus: i think gemma is a villager and the only possible wolf pushing them d1 is wisdom

bop died calling for their head

[Maple]

Good morning chat, i see the last 80 posts have been more talking in circles

And let me tell you, I've been thinking in circles, too.

My reads are approximately 1% different than they were before.

[grr]

I am gonna be real, i had no idea was the vc was. I assume wagons will be wisdom/maple at eod anyway


i think this game i was voted by you/insomnia/stett/(maybe gemma?) right? idk if i am missing anyone else

um, stetter, dyachei, insomnia, montmorency, theknightsofneeee, me i think. (dont ask why or context i just ctrl+f'ed it in the VH lol).

my thought is that u are all villas, idk if you wanted anything more deep but dont have anything

no it's fine ty was just wondering if u had a clue of what's going on rn.

[Dolby]

I'm going to be making an active effort to conserve posts for the rest of the day. I don't like the knights drop off d3 specifically, but I recall distinctly liking Knights posts on day one and I would probably put effort into defending him day four since he isn't in danger today. I think that post is whack tbph and his posting hasn't been great after day one but I also just think he's a villager from the events of day one specifically.

[ladd]

Sorry, can't do it tonight.

2am and I'm dying.

Will try to be back for eod.

Re: Ladd

I haven't finished re-reading him or checking all the things. I can somewhat see what Monty meant by Syn = Kage from the other game, but the question I have is why does Ladd feel defanged in comparison. Like idk Ladd here is doing solving via townreads which... to be fair isn't what I expect out of him either alignment but idk how that's necessarily wolfy.

Idk how else to say this, but Ladd just looks ~good when I read their posts to me. Shrug.

I will try to give it a fair shake of the stick overnight after EOD. I know I said this already but tonight was just no.

I think people expect me to do x but I am doing y and they cant compute that y is not wolfy, just different

which i mean fair enuf, but I dont always feel like doing X


does your claim contradict maple claim in any way btw? they claim inventor which seems similarish to your role

[Dolby]

Ladd part of my problem with how I've been reading you is despite having your vote plopped on Maple for a lot of d2, it doesn't feel like that vote really existed outside that vote, even in casual talk with other people in the thread. Idk, any reason you weren't trying to move votes to Maple

[EnderWiggin]

I think people expect me to do x but I am doing y and they cant compute that y is not wolfy, just different

which i mean fair enuf, but I dont always feel like doing X


does your claim contradict maple claim in any way btw? they claim inventor which seems similarish to your role

No.

Maybe?

I'd say my claim is more likely to contradict Inverter but I kinda believe they're town so idk what to do with that.

[grr]

They just came out of a game where they fakeclaimed d2 as a wolf on MU, their firefighter claim i think is pretty weak for reasons already explained

Their pushes have all been extremely surface level and especially their pushes on vanta/gemma i think lack the care/paranoia wisdom would have there as a villager. Bonus: i think gemma is a villager and the only possible wolf pushing them d1 is wisdom

bop died calling for their head

ngl i was a bit puzzled that both benneh and u came up with that uhhh, a day after the claim happened.

[Maple]

Whoever said solving is easier utg is a fuckin liar there is literally no new information to gleam down here.

Gemma is perhaps a villager. I'll probably submit Jan as my target here on the off chance I live, though I considered sending to dya instead. I mean fmpov it's pretty hard to tell people who are trying to kill me for legitimate reasons vs wolves trying to get a role off the board. How many alive are there even?

Let's say I have, like, 6 v reads I'm not sure how many more I need atm.

[ladd]

Good morning chat, i see the last 80 posts have been more talking in circles

And let me tell you, I've been thinking in circles, too.

My reads are approximately 1% different than they were before.

i think you kinda just need to spitball anything you are thinking atp if u are a villager cause otherwise you are probably ded


@Jan feel free to ignore this but if we end up lunching in wisdom/maple, i'd kill outisde of the claims tonight. Probably in me/sunbae/benneh/knights honestly but go with god depending on what your reads are

Ladd part of my problem with how I've been reading you is despite having your vote plopped on Maple for a lot of d2, it doesn't feel like that vote really existed outside that vote, even in casual talk with other people in the thread. Idk, any reason you weren't trying to move votes to Maple

not really? i think maple was top wagon most of they day and maple wasnt around until close to eod when they claimed so nothing really changing my mind posting wise either

i dont see the need to repeat "maple is a wolf" all day for 48 hours

[insomnia]

dyachei's roleclaim that they have a vig shot that gets blocked when target is visited by another person does that in some way mesh with a village/wolf firefighter? (my gth take is a village power role thats only function is to block another village powerrole is kinda... uh, unlikely ig? Is that correct, also @insomnia just in case u have thots, but if she is a wolf im not quite sure how the wolves are to work out how they would have to use it either)

long before the claim you kinda had a "if im wrong on someone it'd be wisdom" line um, do you remember why you were conflicted?

blocking the kp of villas by villas is pretty troll. i know i wouldn't add it. also when the setup is already seemingly high KP oriented, taking away a chance at village's KP which is already 1-shot is pretty foul play

to be clear, i think dya can not be a wolf just off their claim and that should be enough, even if it's a closed setup

[ladd]

Whoever said solving is easier utg is a fuckin liar there is literally no new information to gleam down here.

Gemma is perhaps a villager. I'll probably submit Jan as my target here on the off chance I live, though I considered sending to dya instead. I mean fmpov it's pretty hard to tell people who are trying to kill me for legitimate reasons vs wolves trying to get a role off the board. How many alive are there even?

Let's say I have, like, 6 v reads I'm not sure how many more I need atm.

dont give the card to jan unless he confirms ITT he is jailing you, he is probably dying tonight

if he is not jailing you give it someone outside of the claims and that you villaread

if he decided to jail you sure give it to him

[Jan]

i think you kinda just need to spitball anything you are thinking atp if u are a villager cause otherwise you are probably ded


@Jan feel free to ignore this but if we end up lunching in wisdom/maple, i'd kill outisde of the claims tonight. Probably in me/sunbae/benneh/knights honestly but go with god depending on what your reads are



not really? i think maple was top wagon most of they day and maple wasnt around until close to eod when they claimed so nothing really changing my mind posting wise either

i dont see the need to repeat "maple is a wolf" all day for 48 hours

On the one hand killing Ladd or Ben is just so much more fun.
On the other hand flipping people who always die next has a lot of value.

[insomnia]

has anyone ever ran a wolf arso pretty much ever? especially visor

feels like firefighter is a massive troll. the 3p wasn't arso, unless visor decided to make the 3p a double acting arso and sk lmfao

[Maple]

i think you kinda just need to spitball anything you are thinking atp if u are a villager cause otherwise you are probably ded


@Jan feel free to ignore this but if we end up lunching in wisdom/maple, i'd kill outisde of the claims tonight. Probably in me/sunbae/benneh/knights honestly but go with god depending on what your reads are



not really? i think maple was top wagon most of they day and maple wasnt around until close to eod when they claimed so nothing really changing my mind posting wise either

i dont see the need to repeat "maple is a wolf" all day for 48 hours

Yeah it's not really all that different, like I said.

Dya Jan knights grr you gemma is 6

Responding to insomnia post: it'd not uncommon to add a visitor type role to fuck around with that sorta vigi. What makes it weird is dya being 1 shot. The restriction makes it less likely that visor would fuck with it since it's double gated.

[Maple]

has anyone ever ran a wolf arso pretty much ever? especially visor

feels like firefighter is a massive troll. the 3p wasn't arso, unless visor decided to make the 3p a double acting arso and sk lmfao

The 3p was also already dead so we sorta have to assume unless it's a paired role, wolves got kills off. The only arso explanation would be an arso that houses during the day

But I guess
@Wisdom what's the specifics behind your claim?

[insomnia]

The 3p was also already dead so we sorta have to assume unless it's a paired role, wolves got kills off. The only arso explanation would be an arso that houses during the day

But I guess
@Wisdom what's the specifics behind your claim?

oh yeah, i was gonna add that to the list of reasons that rask can not be an arso. that debate had me thinking "cmon guise, no way we're spending posts on this" for about a few mins

[Dolby]

I think that Maple should die but I think that there's value to giving jan the card bc even if he doesn't jail maple bc he could tell whoever was jailed that he was given the card. That said I'm kinda hoping one gets jailed and the other executed regardless of card outcome.

With that said, I think that Maple and Wisdom are both wolves and just based on claims and vibes Maple is more likely to be the more valuable wolf but I think relying on that is to egoy, I'll just say that Maple is the most likely wolf imo

[insomnia]

ngl, i dont get the point of maple giving the card or whatever. all it does is confirm his role does something around that. does it confirm him as villa? will it not make us want to kill him? you need to ask these questions as well

manti is good with mech and i dislike the fact he implied he'd be cleared even tho he has no clue what his cards do. also if i were in position i'd target an UTR target that I have as a villa read, not arctic. after all, my intention is to prove my role is what it is. if a wolf gets it, we know who that wolf is and we confirm maple as legit his role

manti, what was your thought process in picking the card recipient if not this?

[insomnia]

i'd rather jan jails someone that he actually plans on executing. if the plan is for him to jail manti just to "confirm" he does his thing, you are all aware that jan is simply gonna die and won't be able to claim that, right?

or are we all oblivious to that fact

i see no reason for why jan should jail maple. we should just kill him rn and let him jail wisdom or whoever his heart desires and give us some KP since we lost all of it

[grr]

ngl, i dont get the point of maple giving the card or whatever. all it does is confirm his role does something around that. does it confirm him as villa? will it not make us want to kill him? you need to ask these questions as well

manti is good with mech and i dislike the fact he implied he'd be cleared even tho he has no clue what his cards do. also if i were in position i'd target an UTR target that I have as a villa read, not arctic. after all, my intention is to prove my role is what it is. if a wolf gets it, we know who that wolf is and we confirm maple as legit his role

manti, what was your thought process in picking the card recipient if not this?

im p. sure maple will never be confirmed of anything lol i just convinced myself wisdom should be a wolf here.

[Maple]

ngl, i dont get the point of maple giving the card or whatever. all it does is confirm his role does something around that. does it confirm him as villa? will it not make us want to kill him? you need to ask these questions as well

manti is good with mech and i dislike the fact he implied he'd be cleared even tho he has no clue what his cards do. also if i were in position i'd target an UTR target that I have as a villa read, not arctic. after all, my intention is to prove my role is what it is. if a wolf gets it, we know who that wolf is and we confirm maple as legit his role

manti, what was your thought process in picking the card recipient if not this?

I never should have been getting pushed in the first place. The fact that people didn't fuck off when I initially claimed PR is what led us to this situation.

If Arctic lived the night he confirms I did something very village aligned at night with an action and people get off my back long enough to let me be useful.

Did I overplay the confirmable nature of my role? Yes. But only because people decided to fuck around for some inexplicable reason. You'll notice I never even implied my alignment was hard confirmable until it looked like I was dying, up until that point I just claimed I had a role that gave verifiable feedback.

[Maple]

Sure let's just go into tomorrow with, like, 4 more flips and I'm sure the remaining villagers can pick up the pieces. If we're lucky, Jan hits a wolf and I give out a gun or a check or some shit.

[Maple]

Fake solving is like breathing for me so it's not even like I can believably solve until people don't kill me.

Largely because, fmpov, this shit is so straight forward.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Wisdom 4 (Gemma, Ladd, grr, EnderWiggin)
Maple 4 (nebjiamn, insomnia, Wisdom, Dolby)
Ladd 2 (Montmorency, dyachei)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)

[Jan]

if maple is a villager it means he get one more action, I get a card and even if he dies to my hand there are cards that might have high value to use for me on the same night.
maybe I get a pgo and kill a wolf visiting me?
maybe I get to doc a player or a vigshot?
Maybe it is nothing.

There are a lot of good outcomes in a v!maple world.

[Jan]

i'd rather jan jails someone that he actually plans on executing. if the plan is for him to jail manti just to "confirm" he does his thing, you are all aware that jan is simply gonna die and won't be able to claim that, right?

or are we all oblivious to that fact

i see no reason for why jan should jail maple. we should just kill him rn and let him jail wisdom or whoever his heart desires and give us some KP since we lost all of it

there is a high chance I die tonight so I should almost always execute.
unless I find an unclaimed pr and believe the claim I should just reduce the general poe.