Tarot Mafia

[Wisdom]

And yes, two wolf lean categories were intentional. I'm more confident in Maple/Gemma than Vanta/Ladd.

[Maple]

speaking of 0-2 wolves in vanta

its probably pretty important that people commit to *some* kind of read on that slot today just so there's some accountability with the inevitable swaps to that player if theyre alive in a couple days

which they will be

[Dolby]

Eh I guess this is worth a post

Wisdom what caused you to go from town to wolf on Vanta during N1, I know that you wrote about it but frankly it just wasn't convincing to me and I want to try to get more into your head. Why do you htink that Vanta is a wolf voting for Dya yesterday? Knowing that Dya/Rask are almost certainly town/3P, and mafia maybe had an inkling that Rask was more likely to be 3p than Dya, I think that Vanta's vote yesterday shows a distinct lack of agenda and is pretty towny

On Day two on two separate occassions you said that Maple was sus, but that seemed to correlate with when Maple was getting a lot of pressure in the thread, and was never enough to place them with me, Gemma or Vanta (who tbh I still think are all three town). Why was Maple's posting and claim being suspicious not enough to warrant that when you didn't really seem to have a concrete take on the slot?

You also said at one point yesterday that you were concerned that I was TMIing you v when I said that I felt that purely off of Syn spew you and Rask were likely v. Why did you feel that way?

5 posts left, probably wont respond

[grr]

Vote: ladd

oh yeah that makes sense.

[Jan]

Vote: Wisdom

I will jail Maple and you can assume I will execute.

We will have a night talk of course but this is where I stand right now and big things need to happen for that to change. (actual hard confirmation that the village can comprehend even if I die).

[Sunbae]

vote: nebjiamn

[grr]

And yes, two wolf lean categories were intentional. I'm more confident in Maple/Gemma than Vanta/Ladd.

why maple btw. (i dont get vanta either but idc about that rn)

[Dolby]

Vote: Ladd

want a second wagon, for the moment, that isn't Maple given Jan's action

VC after this vote is

Wisdom 6 (Gemma, Ladd, EnderWiggin, nebjiamn, dyachei, Jan)
Ladd 3 (Montmorency, grr, Dolby)
Maple 2 (insomnia, Wisdom)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)

four posts left

[Visor]

Players Votes

Wisdom 6 (Gemma, Ladd, EnderWiggin, nebjiamn, dyachei, Jan)
Ladd 3 (Montmorency, grr, Dolby)
Maple 2 (insomnia, Wisdom)
nebjiamn 1 (Sunbae)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)

[Maple]

Vote: Wisdom

I will jail Maple and you can assume I will execute.

We will have a night talk of course but this is where I stand right now and big things need to happen for that to change. (actual hard confirmation that the village can comprehend even if I die).

Is your execute a "night action" or is it a delayed trigger of your day action

or rather

can you activate an ability on the same night that you execute?

If we both die tonight it'd be annoying.

i mean, its entirely possible we have a medic or something in which case they ideally save you, at least

[grr]

Im currently at the following wolves (most likely to least likely)

ladd
gemma (paired btw)

benneh
maple

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only counterpoint i can give myself here is that its kinda too ez if it was literally all 4, but feel free to look into this.

[grr]

like lets be real montmorency is villagery, knights "fell off" but was imo also villager idk maybe good wolf or something whatever?

if u iso gemma d1 no real reason to clear her, in fact kinda squint worthy even when u can obviously give her *some* cred for being on the right wagon but ladd's been confidently clearing her. also i believe him now he wanted to be offwagon but makes more sense when he's wolf with gemma considering the timing of his sheepvote

[grr]

idk something doesnt quite check out with the claims. what exactly was arctic. did we have 2 village kps? is dya really 1 shot or did they secretly shoot bopolis and didnt bother to tell us

[Gemma]

*ducks head in*

we still killing wisdom?

ok cool

bye

[Jan]

Is your execute a "night action" or is it a delayed trigger of your day action

or rather

can you activate an ability on the same night that you execute?

If we both die tonight it'd be annoying.

i mean, its entirely possible we have a medic or something in which case they ideally save you, at least

I should be able to do both.

[Maple]

k well im locking in

any thoughts on which card to pick? im gonna try for something to keep you alive, that or a Sword and hope for a vigi

[Maple]

Hmm, I just had a thought. Now that I'm reversed, it isn't unthinkable that my cards are reversed too. I should pick a card that doesnt look like it has a bad reveral, probably.

[theknightsofneeee]

hello hello hello

yes i have fallen off, wolf read me for it if you want I guess, i'll be honest that i'm not having the most fun playing 48/24 in general, but last EOD was pretty fun/realtime interaction'y so I just kinda wanted to EOD post again

if thats wolfy to you guys, so be it

haven't read the last 8 or so pages so i'm gonna skim those super quick



for the most part my stances haven't super changed, I think i'm probably more firm on sunbae=villa than I was at SOD, and i think i got there on not worrying about jan right now because he'll probably be outed in a day or two if his 'inverted role' doesn't have any results

plus with arctic dead, on the off chance that he is villa kp atm, we probably want to avoid him anyways.

still think he's wolfy but i've been wrong before, and my wolf read on jan maybe lines up a bit too cleanly.



i'm looking at ladd ATM, i think his treatment of me today feels like a wolf looking for someone to push, especially juxtaposed to sunbae who hard cleared me for day 1, and its night and day.

that combined with his day 1 pushes and vote at EOD, plus didi dying over him (for instance, no shade to didi, but if I was a wolf I would 100% put kp on villa!ladd over didi, regardless of how villa read didi was) i'm decently confident thats a hit.

[Maple]

k i selected the card that I think flavour-wise should be best for this situation

we'll see how it goes lol

[Gemma]

k i selected the card that I think flavour-wise should be best for this situation

we'll see how it goes lol

69 of wands?

agree

[Maple]

I don't think I die in the w!jan world at least, so that's pretty poggers if you ask me

[theknightsofneeee]

can someone ELI5 why maple is a wolf?

i know the arctic stuff, but like.

I think they have been getting pushed from essentially everyone but me today, and perhaps i'm just out of touch or missing something obvious

but afaik he claimed he was inverted (before he claimed a role), claimed he was self resolving, claimed he used his ability on arctic and arctic died.




the one thing I could see as a reason for maple is that I know he is very much someone who role hunts villagers, and arctic dying after soft claiming vig (as well as him using his ability on arctic) seems a bit convenient

but I don't see anything necessarily outting wrt his role.




i'm open to being wrong on this, because most of my villa read on maple comes from day 1 stuff, but i'd love a case to munch on

[Maple]

69 of wands?

agree

we call it my Queen of Wands

she's a real beauty

[theknightsofneeee]

vote: ladd

[Gemma]

vote: ladd

why etc

[theknightsofneeee]

Yeah I have something insomnia.

let me show u the entire Wisdom progression on ladd here:









































(this one is my favorite so i made it bigger)





Here's the thing. I think Wisdom is a wolf who decided to not bus this game (a bird whispered to me once she generally decides pregame if she wants to bus or not and then sticks with it. i have seen this once myself). She is pretty stuck with their solving because of that, she needs to protect her wolfpals which is why her reads have pretty strange focus either on slots that gonna resolve soon anyway like Rask or Maple, or on slots that are pretty much dead-ends to sus into, stetter and me. recently she is kinda distancing from ladd but also still somewhat reluctant on it because she is the one who wants to end up being bussed, not vice versa.

thots? @insomnia

While I am at it.

Wisdoms progression on Sunbae:




































(btw now that i come across this just saying my handling of rask was actually villagery af its clear i was confused about getting my top townread in a CC from someone who shouldnt be a wolf by how the claim went down and then decided to be convinced he is a wolf him after he made the wolfiest post in the entire thread, which shows i have no TMI and read also him exactly like what he was: a serial killer (probably). also makes no sense for me as wolf to push him there cuz if i was a wolf rask is a villa who announced to kill a (likely? dunno) villa tonight).










I have. less to say about this except it also fits the same pattern as with ladd without having a post that struck me as mega pingy. However her tossing sunbae and knights and sunbae and insomnia in bins kinda seems, weird to me as first of all they arent similar at all and second of all it just kinda feels like it's conceiling spew to me. (btw the "knights towny but not unfakeable" rubbed me the wrong in general its kind of half of a vanity thing ig cuz people are obv free to not share every read i make i just didnt like my TR there to be shot down that way.). I dont think Sunbae ever answered Wisdom about prodding about the no-voting and she forgot about it lol (which is also not damning god knows all the shit i forgot to follow up on in this game just a thing i noticed)

these both read as super villagery solving to me

very thorough and i can feel the way that grr is coming to these reads feels super genuine

not touching grrr

[Vanta Black]

Im currently at the following wolves (most likely to least likely)

ladd
gemma (paired btw)

benneh
maple

---

only counterpoint i can give myself here is that its kinda too ez if it was literally all 4, but feel free to look into this.

I can't see ladd/gemma, and I kinda can't see gemma paired with anyone.

vote: Maple

[theknightsofneeee]

Yeah I have something insomnia.

let me show u the entire Wisdom progression on ladd here:









































(this one is my favorite so i made it bigger)





Here's the thing. I think Wisdom is a wolf who decided to not bus this game (a bird whispered to me once she generally decides pregame if she wants to bus or not and then sticks with it. i have seen this once myself). She is pretty stuck with their solving because of that, she needs to protect her wolfpals which is why her reads have pretty strange focus either on slots that gonna resolve soon anyway like Rask or Maple, or on slots that are pretty much dead-ends to sus into, stetter and me. recently she is kinda distancing from ladd but also still somewhat reluctant on it because she is the one who wants to end up being bussed, not vice versa.

thots? @insomnia

While I am at it.

Wisdoms progression on Sunbae:




































(btw now that i come across this just saying my handling of rask was actually villagery af its clear i was confused about getting my top townread in a CC from someone who shouldnt be a wolf by how the claim went down and then decided to be convinced he is a wolf him after he made the wolfiest post in the entire thread, which shows i have no TMI and read also him exactly like what he was: a serial killer (probably). also makes no sense for me as wolf to push him there cuz if i was a wolf rask is a villa who announced to kill a (likely? dunno) villa tonight).










I have. less to say about this except it also fits the same pattern as with ladd without having a post that struck me as mega pingy. However her tossing sunbae and knights and sunbae and insomnia in bins kinda seems, weird to me as first of all they arent similar at all and second of all it just kinda feels like it's conceiling spew to me. (btw the "knights towny but not unfakeable" rubbed me the wrong in general its kind of half of a vanity thing ig cuz people are obv free to not share every read i make i just didnt like my TR there to be shot down that way.). I dont think Sunbae ever answered Wisdom about prodding about the no-voting and she forgot about it lol (which is also not damning god knows all the shit i forgot to follow up on in this game just a thing i noticed)

why etc

just said a couple posts above

but think his soft shading of me today which essentially amounted to 'knights is lacking' feels copout'y, and i'm halfway ruling him.

[Maple]

well

we're going into an extremely ominous night here, it feels like

in the worst case, Wisdom and I are both dying and flipping v, so we're looking at what -- 5 v deaths, down to 7-3, w/ forced to hit KP or lose? That's pretty bad lol

I think it was *probably* optimal to massclaim today in hindsight, but you know how it is. Ideally this isn't what happens lol

The claims are like

Dya, Ender, Jan, (me and wisdom who are dying) am i forgetting anything?

So we'll see some number of other deaths in the night, probably Dya + whoever is the most scary off dayplay. Ben if he's village, gamma if we're getting dommed, jan if he's real.

Hmm

I guess the main takeaway is that we *should* read into whatever kills they make tonight. That we *really* need to be highly critical of the remaining PR claims outside of dya. I don't think we have any more info kills after these two, so we gotta be prepared to be on the back foot.

The game is in a pretty fucked state for me. Basically anyone *could* be a wolf here. Ladd and knights going at each other is a pretty bad omen, in that way. *ideally* one of them is a wolf, but i cant tell you which. I think Knights looks good of d1 and general vibes. I don't even know why the heck i think ladd is a villager, idk posting i guess? it sounds bad when i put it that way. But if there isn't, i guess cut the difference and look to see [what ender's claim is, ben, dolby, sunbae]. I think in the w!sunbae world wolves aren't *that* entrenched at least though? So ya know, that shouldn't be *too* awful lol

mm anyway

i don't know what else to say

jan is *presumably* killing me here, i hope we can have a nice chat and i hope the item i give him helps the village

if i *do* live to tomorrow, and I *do* start getting railroaded, well then yeah its pretty fucked i suppose, so killing me may be for the best, in either case

what am i missing?

[theknightsofneeee]

ok so someone explain to me why maple is a wolf and not just a villager fucking around like he does?

And no mont, your argument of he did this in a previous wolf game is lame because he's also done this in a previous village game

cool i'm not the only one who thinks maple is just a villager here, not taking crazy pills