Tarot Mafia

[insomnia]

@theknightsofneeee

gonna start with you first. if you are a villager you can't just naked vote me here, because im probably gonna tunnel you unless you lay out a case. it's incredibly lol to me that a villager could consider im ever a wolf here over someone like sunbae, who is a prolific player that simply didn't do much more than i have. your play has been to tunnel the big names with really poor cases and judging off your choice today, im waiting for you to see what you say and if i deem it really poor, i'll likely just end up tunneling you out for today. i believe if you're a wolf, your sus on me today will make it real obvious as to your alignment, cuz it's hard af to have sunbae as a villager over myself here unless you have TMI. there's just no comparison

also, i can't remember you focusing or giving much importance on wisdom / maple at all, which would also be incredibly lol as a villager with all the dead villas who have died and had at least one of them as a wolf. your play is starting to seem really wolf motivated in that you're just choosing to push 1 big name each day and do nothing else. what is your view on maple / wisdom and what did you consider them to be throughout the game? what i've also noticed is that despite your really low activity and engagement, you seemed to be aware of what was going on in the thread at all times, which bodes really poorly for someone seemingly "out of it" by pushing jan / ladd / myself


i still dunno wtf to do with wisdom / maple, but i simply don't see how there can't be a single wolf fakeclaiming. in that world, wtf is the team doing? nothing?

[grr]

you have an extremely strong reaction to insomnia being voted but couldn't even explain why on request.

that just makes me think you are just pushing things while not actually solving.

[insomnia]

the easiest name to start with is vanta black cuz they have low content. i'll give my current thoughts as they are and then skim their iso because i remember it being pretty low content

this is a name that i don't think is a wolf. in my world, the wolves either did fakeclaiming (so wisdom / maple, at least 1 there) or they did ~nothing. especially in terms of EoD1. we already know syn and benneh weren't there and apart from knights, i doubt a wolf was present.

which is why vanta should be an easy sort fmpov, they fit that profile

except, they seemed villagery to me. it's not exactly impossible to be out of it and be a wolf (cuz this is what im saying this team is doing if it's not maple / wisdom), but there's an undertone of genuineness that i didn't pick up in their wolfgame. they just seem to be going with the flow of things and figuring things out without caring what the thread thinks of it, which is kinda opposite to what knights is doing imo. knights just seems 10x more calculated and having TMI than vanta, in that i really dont believe his pushes are real in the context they're being thrown around. he just seems to be contrarian for the sake of it and to powerwolf, whereas from vanta i pick up more of a vibe of "idkwhat'sgoingonmybffjill". their solving isn't directed to the thread as "look, im anticonsensus", whereas knights just goes balls deep into every push on the top names while having extremely poor reasoning and at times where they don't make sense to make (jan / ladd didn't make sense to be so strong at those points in time imo, as neither do i view myself as the right person to look at today with wisdom / maple unflipped and sunbae still alive despite him doing less than me imo)

admittedly, there's a chance im underestimating vanta black, but i don't think so. as a wolf they're just a lot more stilted and in here they seem really care free and not like they have a target on their back, which is what i expect they'd feel like. but ofc im gonna recheck


so, thus far

vvv
insomnia
grr
gemma
ender

vv
vanta black

PoE
wisdom
maple
sunbae
montmorency
knights

2/5 in those is what im thinking. 3/5 is not a viable world without at least one of wisdom / maple imo

[insomnia]

re: wisdom's claim

i've thought about it and view it as low chance of there being an arsonist in the game. im 85% sure i would've been a douse by n2, if not n1 and dead by toDay if there was an arso with the way i've played. ofc you guys don't know my alignment and all, but yeah i dont think arso is alive. grr / myself would've been easy douses and would've been smoked ages ago

if we're living in a 3 wolf world, i think we're in a very dangerous spot and we might not even be able to recover today. at least 1 wolf would be deep by way of fake claim and / or EoD1 stuff and i think we'd vote out a PoE villa that is simply not playing the game today

mont / vanta / ender of course count for this, although i think ender won't die

[insomnia]

also, @theknightsofneee

your posting seems real fake today with the self voting and giving up. it's very possible that 3 wolves would be alive today and you act like you'd be fine dying. you gonna blame it on you being drunk? cuz i doubt you'd be this unaware and thoughtless regarding the context of the game

do you think there's only 2 alive, or?

[insomnia]

honestly, this is gonna sound wolfy to everyone but idc

im petty and feel like plenty people tried to make maple look good and not stick to the game plan of just killing his ass, instead we wagon people like ladd and maple's martyr, dolby (loldolby btw)

so im perfectly fine assuming he's a villager and if he's a wolf im also perfectly fine just giving him the game at the expense of extremely poor village play

/wolfy post over

[grr]

Maple didnt fakeclaim btw, he gave last card to jan who chose (we know that now due to dolby's last post) to not execute Maple which he clearly wouldn't have done if Maple fakeclaimed.

Aight my real role is hella whack but I also played last 7 hours pretty suboptimally so to be expected. Probably should have just tried to get it wisdom

Everything I have said about n1 and n2 is a lie except I specifically have TMI that Jan chose to not exe maple

Sorry town

Also the way that knights is trying to sell maple is wolf KP really doesn’t match with how benneh treated maple. Like, if maple is wolfing they are a pretty not important wolf based on both thread play and actions

[insomnia]

Maple didnt fakeclaim btw, he gave last card to jan who chose (we know that now due to dolby's last post) to not execute Maple which he clearly wouldn't have done if Maple fakeclaimed.

none of that confirms maple though, we knew it would never and still found 10 different ways to spare him

[insomnia]

wisdom / sunbae / mont / knights

the best combo here is knights + 1


if im mistaken about the wolf plan and wolves were just under heavy artillery and decided to bus, knights / mont makes sense. mont having just subbed in, is put in an extremely rough spot and would rather bus syn (or have collectively decided in wolfchat they would bus) and knights / mont just get rid of him, especially because benneh was at a heavy disadvantage already by being afk for that. someone would have to carry the torch

idk, i said the wolves did nothing but that world actually doesn't make sense to me typing about it. because it'd have to be like vanta / +1, but i just dont think vanta is a wolf

[grr]

none of that confirms maple though, we knew it would never and still found 10 different ways to spare him

Yeah does not confirm his alignment but confirms the claim to be correct.

[insomnia]

idk, have i been so out of it that i've missed the point where we all just drop our grievances regarding wisdom / maple?

because im kinda using that as a reason to point at knights, but maybe i've missed the arc where we just ignored both of them and think they're villas

if not, knights' gameplay is extremely wolfy for not sharing the same view as us. he just doesn't get stuck on that (which is wolfy) but still has horrendous pushes

[grr]

One of the problems is that half of the village starts cooking not before 8hrs before deadline while the other half is alr semi-afk at that point. but can't really help that i suppose. 2h/22h is the only acceptable form of mafia for this reason.

[grr]

idk, have i been so out of it that i've missed the point where we all just drop our grievances regarding wisdom / maple?

because im kinda using that as a reason to point at knights, but maybe i've missed the arc where we just ignored both of them and think they're villas

if not, knights' gameplay is extremely wolfy for not sharing the same view as us. he just doesn't get stuck on that (which is wolfy) but still has horrendous pushes

I just thought dolby outed as wolf in thread yesterday, I was voting Wisdom exactly before that, not that I could decide or something. I think wisdoms role has nothing to do with arsonists and if anything the wolves would have another role like dya's that gets countered by firefighter. So that doesnt really tell me anything except for wisdom is basically a secondary doc claim in my mind. like a doc claim that can only stop specific shots.

I'm done for good with maple, he is a lock villager now, if he convinced one villa to holster village kp and the other one to not even selfpres on him as a wolf GGs to him genuinely well played etc. blabla.

[grr]

I suppose I can explain the v read on Vanta

N1 vanta V

vanta is the light in the darkness

you can't deny truth

It’ll all make perfect sense when we I flip

N2 Results:

ColonelLubriderm was killed.

They were:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The Hermit



They were village!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hermit_(tarot_card)

According to Eden Gray, his lantern is the Lamp of Truth, used to guide the unknowing, his patriarch's staff helps him navigate narrow paths as he seeks enlightenment and his cloak is a form of discretion.[1]

I think the guy is a legit cop check. second is really an oddly specific phrasing and fits the description with the Hermit card perfectly.

so that's what i have lulz.

what do u think of this @insomnia. I think it's a solid clear. no one reacted to it which is funny.

[insomnia]

@theknightsofneeee

gonna start with you first. if you are a villager you can't just naked vote me here, because im probably gonna tunnel you unless you lay out a case. it's incredibly lol to me that a villager could consider im ever a wolf here over someone like sunbae, who is a prolific player that simply didn't do much more than i have. your play has been to tunnel the big names with really poor cases and judging off your choice today, im waiting for you to see what you say and if i deem it really poor, i'll likely just end up tunneling you out for today. i believe if you're a wolf, your sus on me today will make it real obvious as to your alignment, cuz it's hard af to have sunbae as a villager over myself here unless you have TMI. there's just no comparison

also, i can't remember you focusing or giving much importance on wisdom / maple at all, which would also be incredibly lol as a villager with all the dead villas who have died and had at least one of them as a wolf. your play is starting to seem really wolf motivated in that you're just choosing to push 1 big name each day and do nothing else. what is your view on maple / wisdom and what did you consider them to be throughout the game? what i've also noticed is that despite your really low activity and engagement, you seemed to be aware of what was going on in the thread at all times, which bodes really poorly for someone seemingly "out of it" by pushing jan / ladd / myself


i still dunno wtf to do with wisdom / maple, but i simply don't see how there can't be a single wolf fakeclaiming. in that world, wtf is the team doing? nothing?

also, @theknightsofneee

your posting seems real fake today with the self voting and giving up. it's very possible that 3 wolves would be alive today and you act like you'd be fine dying. you gonna blame it on you being drunk? cuz i doubt you'd be this unaware and thoughtless regarding the context of the game

do you think there's only 2 alive, or?

i don't see why you'd feel the need to add me to the pile of pushes while giving sunbae leeway, what iyo makes me a good push to have here? what are the wolfy things i've done? also, what has sunbae done that makes you speak like he's confirmed villa to you, because altogether i think i look like 4x better than him, so explain that as well please

@theknightsofneeee

added all the posts for you to reply in one post so you don't miss it


you think the wolfteam just decided to bus instead of voting either of you or gemma here? kinda feel like you're outing yourself just by having this view cuz how tf can a villager think this

i have the option to sit on gemma or push YOU over a wolf and i just save both of you? looooooool

[insomnia]

uhh i feel like a part of the post got eaten up

i was gonna say how tf can he think monty and i are wolves because... and then the "you think" part comes in

like if im wolf i've done what i said in that post and monty unvoted one of the "villagers" when he could just as easily stick his vote

idk, his answers for that EoD1 and the view of it is just insane imo, especially from his PoV

i had gemma as a push, i was angling to voting him and dip all of that to bus syn in the best spot and out of all the slots in the game he thinks im a better vote here? cmon bro if you're a villager it's a two way street, can't say we are meant to find you after you push things with seemingly no thought. or maybe you're just a wolf

but most of all i find it incredibly odd he's giving sunbae all this leeway cuz i think i look 5x better than him. it's much easier to tinfoil him than myself, that's at least if you imply to have read the thread, which he did numerous times imo. he knew what was going on despite being afk

[insomnia]

yeah ih, i found it funny cuz i elaborated on my read without reading your post

even without it i dont think i'd want vanta dead. i also think it's a solid possibility wolves killed bop for his peek rather than pushes, that's if we think wisdom is a villager which im not sold on for sure

@Sunbae were you the one with mont meta? is it normal for him to be this inactive? is he an easy read, what do you think of him etc etc

it seems like we've all just added mont to our poes and are mindlessly voting him and it kinda pings me, cuz why didn't you all do it by now? why exactly now? it's not like he had moments where he shifted his villageriness, he's played the same way all game

[insomnia]

wisdom / sunbae / mont / knights

the best combo here is knights + 1


if im mistaken about the wolf plan and wolves were just under heavy artillery and decided to bus, knights / mont makes sense. mont having just subbed in, is put in an extremely rough spot and would rather bus syn (or have collectively decided in wolfchat they would bus) and knights / mont just get rid of him, especially because benneh was at a heavy disadvantage already by being afk for that. someone would have to carry the torch

idk, i said the wolves did nothing but that world actually doesn't make sense to me typing about it. because it'd have to be like vanta / +1, but i just dont think vanta is a wolf

this is why you should read

mont didn't bus, he just unvoted rask right before the syn wagon blew up

[insomnia]

gonna lol if we're in the world of knights / gemma / +1 and they actually bussed syn and loved that option over voting each other cuz they both had decent roles and syn had a shit one

but that would be too cool to be true

[insomnia]

one last question and im gonna try to read some things

knights, why do you think sunbae is a villager here? his benneh push is not in his wheelhouse? he can't bus?

he's a 10x better wolf than i am both on posting and especially because he can bus, i don't want to. im just clueless how fypov you think he's a locked villa but i could be a wolf over him, makes no sense to me

[Gemma]

the easiest name to start with is vanta black cuz they have low content. i'll give my current thoughts as they are and then skim their iso because i remember it being pretty low content

this is a name that i don't think is a wolf. in my world, the wolves either did fakeclaiming (so wisdom / maple, at least 1 there) or they did ~nothing. especially in terms of EoD1. we already know syn and benneh weren't there and apart from knights, i doubt a wolf was present.

which is why vanta should be an easy sort fmpov, they fit that profile

except, they seemed villagery to me. it's not exactly impossible to be out of it and be a wolf (cuz this is what im saying this team is doing if it's not maple / wisdom), but there's an undertone of genuineness that i didn't pick up in their wolfgame. they just seem to be going with the flow of things and figuring things out without caring what the thread thinks of it, which is kinda opposite to what knights is doing imo. knights just seems 10x more calculated and having TMI than vanta, in that i really dont believe his pushes are real in the context they're being thrown around. he just seems to be contrarian for the sake of it and to powerwolf, whereas from vanta i pick up more of a vibe of "idkwhat'sgoingonmybffjill". their solving isn't directed to the thread as "look, im anticonsensus", whereas knights just goes balls deep into every push on the top names while having extremely poor reasoning and at times where they don't make sense to make (jan / ladd didn't make sense to be so strong at those points in time imo, as neither do i view myself as the right person to look at today with wisdom / maple unflipped and sunbae still alive despite him doing less than me imo)

admittedly, there's a chance im underestimating vanta black, but i don't think so. as a wolf they're just a lot more stilted and in here they seem really care free and not like they have a target on their back, which is what i expect they'd feel like. but ofc im gonna recheck

you what now

vanta is all but outed wolf fmpov like they're basically just lolcatting in thread and havent done anything in 2 dayphases

[Wisdom]

Maple didnt fakeclaim btw, he gave last card to jan who chose (we know that now due to dolby's last post) to not execute Maple which he clearly wouldn't have done if Maple fakeclaimed.

Couldn’t Maple have given Jan the vig shot knowing that Jan couldn't use it? Did Dolby ever say why Jan didn't shoot or could he have tracked Jan and Jan got roleblocked or jailkept or something?

[Wisdom]

wisdom / sunbae / mont / knights

the best combo here is knights + 1


if im mistaken about the wolf plan and wolves were just under heavy artillery and decided to bus, knights / mont makes sense. mont having just subbed in, is put in an extremely rough spot and would rather bus syn (or have collectively decided in wolfchat they would bus) and knights / mont just get rid of him, especially because benneh was at a heavy disadvantage already by being afk for that. someone would have to carry the torch

idk, i said the wolves did nothing but that world actually doesn't make sense to me typing about it. because it'd have to be like vanta / +1, but i just dont think vanta is a wolf

Mont... didn't sub in iirc. He just joined thread late.

[Gemma]

[grr]

Couldn’t Maple have given Jan the vig shot knowing that Jan couldn't use it? Did Dolby ever say why Jan didn't shoot or could he have tracked Jan and Jan got roleblocked or jailkept or something?

They claimed to have given a doc not a vigshot?

wrt dolby I can only speculate but note that he flipped Emperor while Jan flipped Empress or something. So if I had a wild guess I would say there probably was some wiretapping stuff going on, so Dolby had some info what Jan was doing specifically (maybe he could observe his actions? or his chat?)

anyhow its just guessing he was clear the only info he gave out is that Jan specifally chose to spare Manti.

[Montmorency]

I read a “intro to mafia” that said you could edit post in 1 min or so.

But if not then I wont.

Blame GH TBH.

You have exactly almost-60 seconds for ninja edits.

the easiest name to start with is vanta black cuz they have low content. i'll give my current thoughts as they are and then skim their iso because i remember it being pretty low content

this is a name that i don't think is a wolf. in my world, the wolves either did fakeclaiming (so wisdom / maple, at least 1 there) or they did ~nothing. especially in terms of EoD1. we already know syn and benneh weren't there and apart from knights, i doubt a wolf was present.

Why can't Ender be a fakeclaiming scum? Maple's claim is better supported at this time. I'm not even sure what Ender is supposed to be - an upgrader? an inverter?

In terms of PR claims alone it should be clear atp that Maple > Ender > Wisdom

wisdom / sunbae / mont / knights

the best combo here is knights + 1

if im mistaken about the wolf plan and wolves were just under heavy artillery and decided to bus, knights / mont makes sense. mont having just subbed in, is put in an extremely rough spot and would rather bus syn (or have collectively decided in wolfchat they would bus) and knights / mont just get rid of him, especially because benneh was at a heavy disadvantage already by being afk for that. someone would have to carry the torch

idk, i said the wolves did nothing but that world actually doesn't make sense to me typing about it. because it'd have to be like vanta / +1, but i just dont think vanta is a wolf

Are you talking about someone else here?

See, be careful about invoking consensus when reading knights for this reason. Whether or not knights is a hit, this is a seriously-divided player list who can hardly agree on basic facts like who voted where on D1. (Yes, I noticed you corrected yourself later.)

The one POE most players have consensus on is probably Wisdom...

it seems like we've all just added mont to our poes and are mindlessly voting him and it kinda pings me, cuz why didn't you all do it by now? why exactly now? it's not like he had moments where he shifted his villageriness, he's played the same way all game

I would just say that my play throughout the game should be pretty difficult to pinpoint as pro-mafia. But for various reasons, I tend to hit a POE-wall by midgame and either get mafia-driven MLed, or just NKed by mafia. This is never a game where I'm NKed, unless Wisdom is a hit today and I personally lead another winning wagon tomorrow while solving the #3.

[Montmorency]

@Maple

Just tell us who you gifted and why.
@EnderWiggin
Any updates on your PR?

you what now

vanta is all but outed wolf fmpov like they're basically just lolcatting in thread and havent done anything in 2 dayphases

Why did Vanta and neb simultaneously save Wisdom at EOD3? It's at least a little anti-pairing, isn't it?

[grr]

They claimed to have given a doc not a vigshot?

wrt dolby I can only speculate but note that he flipped Emperor while Jan flipped Empress or something. So if I had a wild guess I would say there probably was some wiretapping stuff going on, so Dolby had some info what Jan was doing specifically (maybe he could observe his actions? or his chat?)

anyhow its just guessing he was clear the only info he gave out is that Jan specifally chose to spare Manti.

which was the only holdup i had with manti living cause Jan stated clearly he would not do that if he didnt have VERY good reason to do so:

Vote: Wisdom

I will jail Maple and you can assume I will execute.

We will have a night talk of course but this is where I stand right now and big things need to happen for that to change. (actual hard confirmation that the village can comprehend even if I die).

info has changed with dolbys claim so thats that.

[grr]

I am fairly confident gemma is villa.
I have nothing to quote on the matter.

based read.

[grr]

Yeah well maybe it's just gunna be Wisdom and knights and my vibe radar has been completely off the rocker this game. Bye.