Tarot Mafia

[grr]

The main result of my readthrough till EoD2 is that im comfortable towncoring gemma i suppose. i doubt reading further in this phase is gonna do anything but tire me out so it probs stops there. insomnia is like fine. (I wanna give him credit for voting benneh after syn too but if there is anyone insomnia would bus with a passion its benneh so thats kinda unlucky in a humourous way. but he's very likely still town)

[grr]

@insomnia you sr knightsofneeee partially for being survivalistic EoD1 am i understanding this right? Because if you read EoD2 the approach is somewhat similar and he wasnt wagoned, what you make of that?

[theknightsofneeee]

Sup

Here somewhat consistently from now until EOD.

Been incredibly busy but now I’m on a 7 hour drive so nothing to do but play w yall lol

[insomnia]

Sup

Here somewhat consistently from now until EOD.

Been incredibly busy but now I’m on a 7 hour drive so nothing to do but play w yall lol

please answer all my mentions

[insomnia]

@insomnia you sr knightsofneeee partially for being survivalistic EoD1 am i understanding this right? Because if you read EoD2 the approach is somewhat similar and he wasnt wagoned, what you make of that?

i'll see how he answers me rn and then i'll explain

[theknightsofneeee]

@ whoever said my read of Benneh early game was lame.

Yeah I don’t really have a reasonable refutation of that, I can easily see how you could see my tone read on benneh as Wolfy, but I’d argue that the way benneh and I interacted at EOD 3 or 4 (where he kinda used me to springboard a vote onto Ladd at EOD) feels pretty obviously not w/w.

But I’ll be honest benneh flipping wolf wasn’t great for my chances to not get ml’d ?

[Wisdom]

i have come to the realisation that being attached to mafia games sucks. i wish i could just yaknow, let go like all the other peeps.
@Wisdom you didnt answer me when I asked why you tr insomnia, also your sunbae read is like... non-existent, why is that!?

I liked his d1 play and he's been agendaless overall, but I wouldn't say I strongly tr him. Him and Sunbae are both kinda "can't read, check again after next wolf flip".

[Wisdom]

My head is mush so I'm gonna sleep early today.

If you decide to yeet me Maple/Gemma/Monte is still my legacy.

[insomnia]

I liked his d1 play and he's been agendaless overall, but I wouldn't say I strongly tr him. Him and Sunbae are both kinda "can't read, check again after next wolf flip".

i've been agendaless, yet im villa reading your entire PoE?

xD

[insomnia]

ngl, the way you describe it, i highly doubt you're a villa with that read

never in my life have i seen someone not worry about me til now that has claimed they can't read me

[Wisdom]

If I'm right and Maple survives as a wolf who just outwimmed town, then wp!

[Wisdom]

i've been agendaless, yet im villa reading your entire PoE?

xD

I was more like talking about the way you've been chilling during most of your time in thread

[Wisdom]

ngl, the way you describe it, i highly doubt you're a villa with that read

never in my life have i seen someone not worry about me til now that has claimed they can't read me

Most of the time I've been sheeping someone who seemed confident you're town. Ladd, I think?

[insomnia]

Most of the time I've been sheeping someone who seemed confident you're town. Ladd, I think?

i get that, but how can you think im agendaless? that's your read, not his

[grr]

I liked his d1 play and he's been agendaless overall, but I wouldn't say I strongly tr him. Him and Sunbae are both kinda "can't read, check again after next wolf flip".

yeah so. uh. my issue is it just reads to me like you are conceiling a wolfbuddy in there or someone you want me to mistake for your wolfbuddy? becuz you've been kinda avoiding specific thoughts on both of these? like why even this "him and x". sunbae and insomnia have very different progressions in this game lol.

[grr]

@ whoever said my read of Benneh early game was lame.

Yeah I don’t really have a reasonable refutation of that, I can easily see how you could see my tone read on benneh as Wolfy, but I’d argue that the way benneh and I interacted at EOD 3 or 4 (where he kinda used me to springboard a vote onto Ladd at EOD) feels pretty obviously not w/w.

But I’ll be honest benneh flipping wolf wasn’t great for my chances to not get ml’d ?

that was me. toneread is like, whatever to me altho his tone was like. idk he was just talking like benneh and not like obvtown benneh but people think the wildest stuff about tone

#333

in specific was my problem tho cause it feels like, really forced. lol.

(its probably not really worth debating cuz im like "wow this reads bad" and as u said u probs cant say anything that makes me think it looks better lol)

[Wisdom]

i get that, but how can you think im agendaless? that's your read, not his

If I had said directionless, would you understand me better? Because in my head it's the same thing in this context.

Like, you're making posts saying "I struggle to care about the game until my pants are on fire" and mostly float around. And while you do put in some effort to solve, you don't really seem to have a plan or a direction in which you'd prefer to steer people. That's what I mean with agendaless.

[grr]

If I had said directionless, would you understand me better? Because in my head it's the same thing in this context.

Like, you're making posts saying "I struggle to care about the game until my pants are on fire" and mostly float around. And while you do put in some effort to solve, you don't really seem to have a plan or a direction in which you'd prefer to steer people. That's what I mean with agendaless.

thats a fair read. ftr i dont think its a good read cuz insomnia is very well aware he gets townread for general not-trying (especially by me hehe, which is why i have been wondering if hes doing that on purpose a lot of the time), but no one but me can know that.

yeah idk insomnia im tired lul.

[insomnia]

If I had said directionless, would you understand me better? Because in my head it's the same thing in this context.

Like, you're making posts saying "I struggle to care about the game until my pants are on fire" and mostly float around. And while you do put in some effort to solve, you don't really seem to have a plan or a direction in which you'd prefer to steer people. That's what I mean with agendaless.

my knights posts today aren't doing that? my maple posts weren't doing that? wut

also, im curious about your knights read please

[grr]

I dont believe knights/wisdom/sunbae is the solve (reason: seems kinda too obvious) but the fact they are all up there for me and all townreading each other (well maybe not completely i think the only exception was sunbae looking at knights iirc), is really making me -.-

[theknightsofneeee]

Sure insomnia

@theknightsofneeee

gonna start with you first. if you are a villager you can't just naked vote me here, because im probably gonna tunnel you unless you lay out a case. it's incredibly lol to me that a villager could consider im ever a wolf here over someone like sunbae, who is a prolific player that simply didn't do much more than i have. your play has been to tunnel the big names with really poor cases and judging off your choice today, im waiting for you to see what you say and if i deem it really poor, i'll likely just end up tunneling you out for today. i believe if you're a wolf, your sus on me today will make it real obvious as to your alignment, cuz it's hard af to have sunbae as a villager over myself here unless you have TMI. there's just no comparison

also, i can't remember you focusing or giving much importance on wisdom / maple at all, which would also be incredibly lol as a villager with all the dead villas who have died and had at least one of them as a wolf. your play is starting to seem really wolf motivated in that you're just choosing to push 1 big name each day and do nothing else. what is your view on maple / wisdom and what did you consider them to be throughout the game? what i've also noticed is that despite your really low activity and engagement, you seemed to be aware of what was going on in the thread at all times, which bodes really poorly for someone seemingly "out of it" by pushing jan / ladd / myself


i still dunno wtf to do with wisdom / maple, but i simply don't see how there can't be a single wolf fakeclaiming. in that world, wtf is the team doing? nothing?

First off we’ve played enough together that you should know a naked vote from me is nothing more than a statement of suspicion/an attempt to provoke responses, doesn’t mean I’ll end on you. So this weird posturing about voting you is silly. Especially when I was drunk when I made it lmao

But my POE is incredibly small atm.

As of this moment I have the most info of anyone in the game because I know that I’m villa, and that an elim on me probably locks up the game for wolves, so I’m going to be the target today, that much is super obvious. Only scenario in which I’m not is where wisdom is also villa, which is the current world I believe. In which case lolwillage, guess we deserve to lose.

I’m not willing to consider sunbae as a wolf today. A)his solving has been very good, he has built worldviews that meshed extremely well with my own, b) correctly read me as villa im high leverage spots where if he went the other way, I probably die, c) he voted and pushed benneh for what feels like correct reasoning and not distancing, and benneh’s read on sunbae feels like sucking up to a villager in retrospect.

Also we know whoever the wolf team is isn’t going for SPK’s because they left Ladd alive till day 3 so halfway ruling sunbae isn’t viable to me atm either.

So while I quite obviously understand that there is a world where sunbae is a wolf here who deserves a Tony award for his interactions with Benneh, I’m not willing to go there without more elim’s/vote logic.

I’ve talked probably more about maple and wisdom than anyone else still alive, except for maybe sunbae and Gemma (my top two villa reads)

I hard villa read maple the first day and a half, until the claim, and it just felt really wonky/not villagers.

Pushed him for essentially exclusively that since then, and after Dolby confirmed him with his last breath at EOD, I obviously accept my paranoia on maple was incorrect, but perhaps I would have got there sooner if Dolby had just told the truth and not tried to FPS yesterday, who knows.

Wisdom has always been someone that historically I have struggled to read effectively (and her the same with me). And she has had me null essentially all game, and I have essentially cleared her for the firefighter claim because of the neutral flip and because it makes sense in concept with what I know of the setup. And the totality of the pressure that has been on wisdom all game despite them having a viable claim felt overblown/wolf inspired.

But their interactions/pushes/reads I don’t have much that really makes me want to clear wisdom, which is something I hope I can sort for sure today before EOD, because being somewhat tentative on wisdom is bad for both of us, because now people are pushing worlds where we’re together when we have both been aggressively neutral on each other for most of the game lol, and seems completely opposite to what would be effective wolf play.

WRT Ladd/Jan, I don’t think I was tunneled so much as low engagement,and both of those wolf reads were easy and felt right based on their somewhat unusual treatments of me. You could def criticize me being somewhat self centered wrt my reads/play this game, and I would agree. But low engagement villas have to use the info they know for sure, and that is my alignment.

I feel bad for Ladd specifically mostly because if he was around for eod I probably get there on him, but so it goes.

And you are saying it’s bad cases, but Jan disagrees with you, and said my initial push of him made sense on day 1, and my later pushes on him we’re almost exclusively for his claim/interactions with syn, which were completely valid reasons.

Villagers are allowed to be wrong.

[theknightsofneeee]

re: wisdom's claim

i've thought about it and view it as low chance of there being an arsonist in the game. im 85% sure i would've been a douse by n2, if not n1 and dead by toDay if there was an arso with the way i've played. ofc you guys don't know my alignment and all, but yeah i dont think arso is alive. grr / myself would've been easy douses and would've been smoked ages ago

if we're living in a 3 wolf world, i think we're in a very dangerous spot and we might not even be able to recover today. at least 1 wolf would be deep by way of fake claim and / or EoD1 stuff and i think we'd vote out a PoE villa that is simply not playing the game today

mont / vanta / ender of course count for this, although i think ender won't die

??????????
Why can’t the flipped neutral be an arsonist?

He died EOD2 so no ignites could have happened

And dya 100% killed sheep she had confirmed kp

This is such a weird world to live in

[theknightsofneeee]

I dont believe knights/wisdom/sunbae is the solve (reason: seems kinda too obvious) but the fact they are all up there for me and all townreading each other (well maybe not completely i think the only exception was sunbae looking at knights iirc), is really making me -.-

AFAIK I’m still bull for wisdom

Which is lol I’ll grant you but maybe I missed something?

[grr]

??????????
Why can’t the flipped neutral be an arsonist?

He died EOD2 so no ignites could have happened

And dya 100% killed sheep she had confirmed kp

This is such a weird world to live in

i think arctic argued rask wouldnt claim a kill on a player he didn't do, so it'd just be gamelosing to claim the sheep kill if he doesnt genuinely think he did the kill.

[insomnia]

so are you voting me to see reactions or cuz you sus me? if it's the latter, present your case or say why

and i'd appreciate if you answered each question in particular

[Maple]

bro rereading sucks give me back isos

[Sunbae]

hello

[insomnia]

??????????
Why can’t the flipped neutral be an arsonist?

He died EOD2 so no ignites could have happened

And dya 100% killed sheep she had confirmed kp

This is such a weird world to live in

because the neutral "arsonist" wouldn't claim a kill d2 that is not his?

cmon bruh

[grr]

AFAIK I’m still bull for wisdom

Which is lol I’ll grant you but maybe I missed something?

wisdoms reads on benneh and vice versa kinda recalled https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-%28by-ladd%29

this article for me in places like the "whoops forgot my wolfbuddy gonna say something about them to catch up on it rq", this went in both directions btw.

Also in the only readslist benneh ever posted his take on wisdom feels a bit like a TMI read to me tbh.

[grr]

wisdoms reads on benneh and vice versa kinda recalled https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-%28by-ladd%29

this article for me in places like the "whoops forgot my wolfbuddy gonna say something about them to catch up on it rq", this went in both directions btw.

Also in the only readslist benneh ever posted his take on wisdom feels a bit like a TMI read to me tbh.

Specifically referring to the "how to find w/w interactions" part of the article here.