Tarot Mafia

[grr]

just a little moaning

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11pm and this is defo the last game ever where i skip my bedtime (if i dont alr. randomly yolo out here considering... i dont have much confidence we have winodds.). in the future im just going for the ladd-experience.

[insomnia]

@Wisdom

read on knights, please

if you ignored him like he did, talk about his actions and which you wolfread / villaread etc

[theknightsofneeee]

your sense of urgency at EoD compared to how you're placing your votes are extremely wolfy

you start the day thinking it could be end game and your thoughts at LunchLo are "if the first vote i felt like making is a villa we prob lose so i dont wanna push him today"

like what villa thinks that?

you didn't care all game for that in your pushes and when you should, you don't push?

is it cuz you don't have a single reason and you were just testing the waters?

Unironically yes to the last one. I don’t have a reason to vote you. But I also don’t really have a reason not to vote you except for your somewhat good vote EOD 1.

But compared to Gemma’s it’s not even in the same league.

I called you lightly villagers at EOD yesterday. Because I thought you have been. But the Poe is tight and someone I’m villa reading has to be wolfing.

I’m obviously not very married to the vote and I haven’t even ISO’d you yet, why are you up in arms over this?

[insomnia]

your sense of urgency at EoD compared to how you're placing your votes are extremely wolfy

you start the day thinking it could be end game and your thoughts at LunchLo are "if the first vote i felt like making is a villa we prob lose so i dont wanna push him today"

like what villa thinks that?

you didn't care all game for that in your pushes and when you should, you don't push?

is it cuz you don't have a single reason and you were just testing the waters?

at SoD* not EoD

it's just kinda lol to me you open up voting me and you think mont is a safer vote in the end

at least for me there's a case, because i've done more. what's the case for him, not being active?

idt im moving off you til you explain your case on me. and this post answered my earlier question in that you actually had reasons to sus me, so why act like you were "testing" me?

[theknightsofneeee]

Grrr talk to me about sunbae.

I think he should be part of a voting block with us and Gemma/maple.

I think the 5 of us are all villa, or at max 1 wolf.

What reservations do you have with this as a plan?

[Sunbae]

gemma/inso are probs socially my top TRs then. maple i already explained respecting Jan choosing to spare him and Dolby dying for that.

so these are off the table.

wheres your head on ender. ive been feeling villa there but im noticing nobody else is putting ender in the villa lists here. am i missing something?

[grr]

Grrr talk to me about sunbae.

I think he should be part of a voting block with us and Gemma/maple.

I think the 5 of us are all villa, or at max 1 wolf.

What reservations do you have with this as a plan?

Mostly that I'm convinced he is a wolf. Other than that not much.

[theknightsofneeee]

wheres your head on ender. ive been feeling villa there but im noticing nobody else is putting ender in the villa lists here. am i missing something?

Fwiw I had ended as villa yesterday but that was before Dolby villa flip and my Poe significantly tightened after that.

[grr]

wheres your head on ender. ive been feeling villa there but im noticing nobody else is putting ender in the villa lists here. am i missing something?

he's kinda fine. i suppose in the 5% world ur a villa he might be a wolf i just dont think its the world i live in and even then he's kinda fine ig.

[insomnia]

Unironically yes to the last one. I don’t have a reason to vote you. But I also don’t really have a reason not to vote you except for your somewhat good vote EOD 1.

But compared to Gemma’s it’s not even in the same league.

I called you lightly villagers at EOD yesterday. Because I thought you have been. But the Poe is tight and someone I’m villa reading has to be wolfing.

I’m obviously not very married to the vote and I haven’t even ISO’d you yet, why are you up in arms over this?

because you open up at SoD acting like it's the end of the world and your votes don't mean anything today, as i assumed

the fact you have no reason for being on me at this point in time bodes really poorly after your entire play this game. do you not see why?

not only are you not abiding to the PoE of all the dead villas and you pushed all the active "strong" villas, you defended a wolf among them and i quite frankly dont get what your gameplay is today

your PoE makes no sense to me either. you'd get why im so hung up on you if you took a look over my questions, cuz most of them show how i feel about your actions

Monty popped up as an option for you today despite no prior talk, why is that?

the problem is simply that you place votes you don't even have reasons for at lunchlo (your words)

[Sunbae]

he's kinda fine. i suppose in the 5% world ur a villa he might be a wolf i just dont think its the world i live in and even then he's kinda fine ig.

5%?

[insomnia]

also at EoD1 i had a really villagery progression on you that you aren't even taking account of. no way im the first vote option for you toDay rather than mont given that, if you were a villa i think it would've stuck to you

i feel like pushing me despite of it is kinda ~outing because you as villa would see how i could just as easily keep my vote on you with how bad you were posting, which everyone has said

or just vote gemma. i had the setup on the both of you

that's why i feel like you villa reading sunbae over myself is kinda TMI cuz i can't even remember what he did to kill benneh (sorry sunbae im convinced it's just a me issue at this point lol, im sure you made a case or something) but holding him as villagerier for it over myself is just lol

it would've been villagery to me if you explained cuz you really need to be a villager to genuinely sus me here, but you just said you were "reaction testing" and like i assumed, you have 0 reason to vote me to the point where it looks like you're just trying to seem villagery and not genuinely solving

idk how you can't have a wolf read rn, both mont and myself im sure are just PoE names

[Sunbae]

that seems a bit hyperbolic!

[insomnia]

i just think if wisdom / knights are v/v then we're doomed ngl

i don't see the game making sense without at least 1 being wolf there

and i just don't vibe with your PoE at all?

[Sunbae]

i just think if wisdom / knights are v/v then we're doomed ngl

i don't see the game making sense without at least 1 being wolf there

and i just don't vibe with your PoE at all?

I've been thinking about it and I think the only way it makes sense is if it's exactly Mont/Gemma/Vanta (mont locking in on wisdom "to clear gemma" for days, vanta just kind popping in to chill, all 3 of them just not wanting to shake anything up) but idk how much I believe in that (its not much)

[Sunbae]

I've been thinking about it and I think the only way it makes sense is if it's exactly Mont/Gemma/Vanta (mont locking in on wisdom "to clear gemma" for days, vanta just kind popping in to chill, all 3 of them just not wanting to shake anything up) but idk how much I believe in that (its not much)

basically i have a lot of dead villagers locking in grr town reads and town reads on you, we've talked about maple a bunch, i suppose you can swap gemma with ender in that situation but mehhh (i really feel like benneh hopping on ender when i expressed suspicion is unlikely to be paired)

[Maple]

meow

i dunno

flipless games ammaright?

[Sunbae]

meow

i dunno

flipless games ammaright?

eh i dont think flipless has any effect on this one

like we chopped a wolf d1
chopped a sk d2
vigged a wolf n3
then missed bad on d4

overall i think village has been fine its just whoever the wolves are have been a tish better than fine so far
but game isnt over yet so hopefully we can overcome it

[grr]

that seems a bit hyperbolic!

it's my reads? i dont think at any point in time i have claimed to be a mafia oracle (this isnt a mech hint just using the word) or have any kind of "objective" measure to someones actual wolf equity. i am not a computer lol. in fact i have been specifically careful about reminding people of what i think of my own experience/talent? compared to the rest of the table here. obviously im gonna make reads cuz otherwise i might just as well not play lol.

[Maple]

eh i dont think flipless has any effect on this one

like we chopped a wolf d1
chopped a sk d2
vigged a wolf n3
then missed bad on d4

overall i think village has been fine its just whoever the wolves are have been a tish better than fine so far
but game isnt over yet so hopefully we can overcome it

I'm still just annoyed about yesterday but it should be fine

I'm kinda just circling back to just killing knights or wisdom

Same place I've been for 3 days lol

Well, sans dolby but ya know

Grr push on you noted but j won't be alive tmr so ya know

[Sunbae]

it's my reads? i dont think at any point in time i have claimed to be a mafia oracle (this isnt a mech hint just using the word) or have any kind of "objective" measure to someones actual wolf equity. i am not a computer lol. in fact i have been specifically careful about reminding people of what i think of my own experience/talent? compared to the rest of the table here. obviously im gonna make reads cuz otherwise i might just as well not play lol.

oh im just making a joke about 5% being really low! also idk why you sell yourself short so much youre good too?

[Sunbae]

I'm still just annoyed about yesterday but it should be fine

I'm kinda just circling back to just killing knights or wisdom

Same place I've been for 3 days lol

Well, sans dolby but ya know

Grr push on you noted but j won't be alive tmr so ya know

i mean, yesterday got a little off the rails and ended up being not great but uh, happens i guess

[theknightsofneeee]

Just ISO’s monty

He is pushing wisdom pretty strongly today but I kinda buy it?

His pov with just assuming wisdom is a wolf and moving from there because if it’s wrong game is essentially unwinnable feels similar to my feelings of clearing Gemma/sunbae. Feels villagers.

Idfk man

[Sunbae]

Just ISO’s monty

He is pushing wisdom pretty strongly today but I kinda buy it?

His pov with just assuming wisdom is a wolf and moving from there because if it’s wrong game is essentially unwinnable feels similar to my feelings of clearing Gemma/sunbae. Feels villagers.

Idfk man

i would be interested in hearing your thoughts on day 3

That was the "probably kill maple or wisdom" -> "well jan claimed to be inverted and can take care of maple so lets go elsewhere" -> "flash wagon on ladd" day

in as much detail as possible

[theknightsofneeee]

Just to be clear, we have all the following flips/claims:

1. Rask neutral vig?
2. dya town vig
3. ender town inverter/upgrader
4. maple town inventor
5. Jan town JK
6. Wisdom town firefighter
7. Dolby town JOAT

Is that complete?

Hm, why have both inventor and JOAT.

Oh wait did ender claim inverter and I missed that? Cause IMO that role is almost never villa aligned.

Gonna iso ender

[grr]

oh im just making a joke about 5% being really low! also idk why you sell yourself short so much youre good too?

I have a lot of flaws. mostly frustration related and also like, not having quantifiable methods on how to read games which makes me impulsive and also forget about good takes i have becuz i dont really know how good they are i just feel stuff in my bones sometimes. I'm mostly like a cat who randomly finds wool balls to play with in mafia games.

ftr i do believe a lot of tables underestimate me, i am actually quite irked at that in a lot of MU games, but still, i am humbled by arctic, insomnia, ladd, dya, newcomb etc.etc. (idont have much experience with u but i assume you are playing in the same league). (um if i forgot a name here w/e but i think y'all are probs a lot better than me rofl).

(and as I said I mostly signed up for the PL and cuz I was genuinely just curious how it'd play out and maybe learn a few new tricks, i am relatively chill about the outcome of the game.)

[grr]

@EnderWiggin did u actually claim yet? Ladd said you should and i've read different stuff about u and im not sure whats what here now wrt you.

[Sunbae]

I have a lot of flaws. mostly frustration related and also like, not having quantifiable methods on how to read games which makes me impulsive and also forget about good takes i have becuz i dont really know how good they are i just feel stuff in my bones sometimes. I'm mostly like a cat who randomly finds wool balls to play with in mafia games.

ftr i do believe a lot of tables underestimate me, i am actually quite irked at that in a lot of MU games, but still, i am humbled by arctic, insomnia, ladd, dya, newcomb etc.etc. (idont have much experience with u but i assume you are playing in the same league). (um if i forgot a name here w/e but i think y'all are probs a lot better than me rofl).

(and as I said I mostly signed up for the PL and cuz I was genuinely just curious how it'd play out and maybe learn a few new tricks, i am relatively chill about the outcome of the game.)

might be more of a postgame discussion but the big secret imo is that everyone has a lot of flaws and mafia is just about figuring out what you do well, highlighting that as much as possible, then figuring out what other people do well and listen to them on that. its much more of a collaborative effort to be "good" (the term "good" in mafia probably requires an entirely different and long discussion but ill refrain from that here) than people would like to admit (outliers apply of course).

and sometimes "feel stuff in my bones" are the best reads. you cant articulate it you just vibe it.

but yeah like, ive literally never heard a negative word about you (i know we have not played tooooo much but still) and think you should give yourself more credit! youve been a delight and fun this game and i think youve been doing pretty well so no need to fret

[Sunbae]

ok what were the upgrades/inversions?

Jan turned from rb/angel to rb/angel/option to kill? and remove from all chats?

maple went from giving cards to self to giving cards to others?

was there any other?

[Sunbae]

Question for everyone:

Do you think anyone in this game hasn't been attempting to solve anything? Just kind of having little stints in the thread to keep their visibility up and talking about whatever the current major topic is but never really branching off on their own trains of thought about things nobody else is talking about?