Tarot Mafia

[insomnia]

i can't even find the words to describe how this game feels to me rn

it feels both hard and easy at the same time. lol

it prob feels easy cuz everyone except for maple is giving me a hard time thinking it comes from a wolf, but hard in that theoretically it should be 2 alive.

but if it's just maple as the last one alive, it would be... too easy? dunno

[insomnia]

it seems maple's worldview was a bit wolfsidey the past 2 days

he sus'd mont, which wolves would probably go for. matter of fact, i think wisdom actually did that

vanta voted wisdom between knights and herself too

just seems real hard to justify not lunching maple today

from his PoV he must either push for 1 wolf alive and it being a tinfoil lunch (ender or grr would make sense as last) but im never killing those two ~probably, so yeah

mechanically we'll lunch as if it's 2 alive, so he should prob think of a 2 man team and the only viable option is ender / vanta (viable as in through poe cuz im just ruling grr out) and it just... doesn't feel right

honestly it'd make more sense if grr was one, but i just think his posting is too good. if he's a wolf then he can put it on me cuz he kinda poked at him all game, but im not lunching him today

so looking forward to what he'll be pushing today @Maple

[grr]

ih, where's the interaction where you said maple and wisdom had the same read on me? :P

what. i dont think said that? I think someone else might have said that? I think I more or less read the entire thread again, also admittedly in the latter half it got frustrating so my attention span decreased lol.

@insomnia

[grr]

Vote: Maple

[insomnia]

what. i dont think said that? I think someone else might have said that? I think I more or less read the entire thread again, also admittedly in the latter half it got frustrating so my attention span decreased lol.

@insomnia

you mentioned like d2/d3 that wisdom and maple both had the same read as in "insomnia is not out of wolfrange" = just flat out refusing to villa read me despite me being obvious

[grr]

i can't even find the words to describe how this game feels to me rn

it feels both hard and easy at the same time. lol

it prob feels easy cuz everyone except for maple is giving me a hard time thinking it comes from a wolf, but hard in that theoretically it should be 2 alive.

but if it's just maple as the last one alive, it would be... too easy? dunno

i have a hard time thinking anything i read came from a villager rofl. (its somewhat hyperbolic but sheesh there is some sinister vibing shit all over the thread and a lot of it came from already flipped villas lol)

[insomnia]

>IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation

this is doing a lot of heavy lifting for your logic on the IH read given the post is less about his strategy and more about his inability to push on a player new to him like newcomb with any amount of sincerity. newcomb isn't katze (or insom or ladd) otherwise i probably wouldn't have made that read, but the dynamic there is and was decently out of his wolf range, particularly early d1 before any lines were drawn in the sand

yeah

idk for grr to be a wolf he'd have to have pulled the snowing of a life time most likely, and also the spew is in his favor

it really looks like a read that someone with meta on grr would give on him, just villa clearing him early knowing the thread would eventually get to that read cuz that's just the sort of villager grr is

[insomnia]

I can see insom really not wanting to die here. Tell me nothing about the game except either insomnia or knights went over d1 and I'd believe you.

I don't think he's actually done anything that puts him out of range, obviously, but you know how it is.

im just re-reading and maybe im being uncharitable, but i really hate this line that maple takes on me

i've already talked about this so i won't go to detail, but it just feels odd for a villager that doesn't really have meta with people to just say this line, and it wasn't just for me, it was for stett too

at a point where it feels like it's really easy to just villa read us /shrug

[grr]

Umm. I dont think I ever said that I said Wisdom was binning you and Sunbae in the same v-read category all the time when that didnt really make sense. That was one of the reasons why I thought Wisdom was wolfing with Sunbae. And if anything then ummm well it kinda made me wonder if I got the wrong one after Sunbae flipped lol!

I'm actually pretty sure i didn't say that @insomnia

[insomnia]

100% vibes but Vanta town.

The Lobster is a weird yet enjoyable movie, 8/10.

this looks good for vanta as well

man. bring the $tat$ against me but i just feel like the game could easily end by flipping maple /shrug

if it's 2 alive that does not include maple then i've been outplayed fs

[grr]

Btw you said earlier you thought Vanta wasnt apologetic in this game which is not true:

i went back to read some of their posting and i guess i just can't see it

im not saying i can't be wrong cuz this game is spooky as it is, but im just browsing some posts here and looking at their wolfgame and they just seem really mega stilted there, as opposed to here

another thing im witnessing is that they were really apologetic about their actions that game and they are obviously playing it extremely low this game and not doing that? which makes it feel like they aren't wolfing

fully possible im reading into the wrong things but still, the awkwardness thing i just can't undo

there's just a bluntness in some of the posts they're making and the questions they're asking just make me think there are wheels spinning in their head

i didn't wanna say this line cuz i can be wrong, especially since im really poorly informed about everything in the thread, but if you don't see it i guess it's just experience speaking when gauging different archetypes

hope they fool'd me cuz im admittedly underestimating them

I mean u ISOed them lol.

Apologies to all for not being around for EoD yesterday. My computer screen just went nuts, and since I use it for work I had to stare at it for a few hours. Basically it's flashing, flickering, twisting, and looks like it's having a stroke and/or trying to give me one. It's sporadic so of course when someone who knows what they're doing looks at it it's fine. I just didn't want to deal with it any more than I had to for work.

Anyway, I was looking at the EoD votes and trying to figure out why Dolby got pushed, and I can see it. That claim, or series of claims, and then retraction just looked bad. None of it pointed me at all toward clearing Maple.

I have no idea if I would hvae still been TRing Dolby after reading all that, if I'd been in teh thread at the time.

But anyway we have two dead townies here, one of whom was bent on clearing Maple, and the other who used their last vote on Maple. This makes me really want to resolve Maple, who has been saying for days he would be resolved any minute now, and hasn't been.

[grr]

I could randomly confbias everyone as mafia so its completely useless for me to do so if anyone has any tips i'll gladly take them.

[grr]

I don't understand why Maple had a, what he thought likely to be a killing action card, for several days instead of giving it to one of the lock towns we still had back then.

[insomnia]

Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!

Yeah right now I'd say...

Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask

Leaning town
Ender
Ladd

Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett

Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae

Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta

grr missing from this list is riling me up ngl lmao

[insomnia]

@didistetter

that was a quick 5 minute read on manti, lol

i definitely have some things that im concerned with. firstly, he's mentioned about twice now that certain things don't put people "out of wolfrange" and it was regarding me and you. this feels like an odd comment to make as a villager on 2 people you have never played with, but it particularly bugs me cuz without meta i thought i was pretty villagery that d1, so the "doesn't put you out of wolfrange" thing looks more like trying to fake consideration for me

also, i've changed my feelings around his ih thing. initially a lot of us thought he was villagery for pushing ih and even ih said so and he portrayed it as manti misreading ih once again, but it doesn't actually really read like a misread. manti just asked a question and once he couldn't make sense of what ih was saying he decided to call him a wolf for it, which fmpov it looks a little premature and isn't an actual read, cuz it's based on ih just not understanding something, so anyone could point out that mistake in ih's posting.

the problem that i have is that if i know i've misread someone 3 times now, i would firstly try to clarify what that person meant before calling them as a wolf. that's what i don't like about manti in that progression, because looking back it kinda looks like leveraging that status of "misreading the person i always do", but he just went on to call him a wolf before any clarifying went down.

if i wolfread someone it's because i feel like their process is so weird that any weird thing i see i'd just see it as villagery as a reflex, so i don't get why manti was calling him a wolf for it. i'd understand if he'd first clarify what ih meant and then have an opinion, but calling him out for some obviously hella weird stuff i doubt would be conducive to a great read, especially when it's obvious there must be a misunderstanding.

hope that makes a little sense. this doesn't really change his stance in my PoE, but i guess im more informed about what he's done this game

this case very much still sticks with me in the back of my mind

[grr]

Wisdom unvoted maple the EoD dolby died and left. Which also looks. weird to me. Why not keep the vote and leave just to buff up a villa wagon? I'm not sure people would have taken much note? Ig it isn't very damning but nya.

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There was also the way benneh talked about maple that is a bit weird.

not gonna quote it all but specifically these things at SOD3:

Vote: maple


so much for feedback at EOD lol

could be delayed, reactionary, idk

inb4 maple claims she PGO'd someone

so. from wolf bennehs pov, if maple is a villager. he is ~somewhat likely to come out with stuff that might look clearing for him due to his card stuff. so. Why does he blast him so ruthlessly before people even talk? Is that TMI? Is that a wolf who just has the chuzpe to not care if it backfires? I am unsure.

[grr]

grr missing from this list is riling me up ngl lmao

in what way?

[insomnia]

i'd like to kill in benneh / maple today

any other lunch options?

hope he's a wilf so the $tat$ stonks just sky rocket

i'll try not to let it influence me too much

[insomnia]

theory:

wisdom was catching a ton of heat. claimed a role

her claiming a role made us turn our attention to maple (another wolf). maple claimed his role cuz it'd be the only thing saving him (his posting was definitely not helping) and he always relies on mechs to live his wolfgames (here manti, i can say the same stuff without actually seeing a live game of yours hehe)

at this point, the wolfteam just had to distance by bussing each other. a wolf team that is suspected early and is in a tough spot will bus each other to stay afloat

evidence: wisdom and benneh both reacted suspiciously to manti's claim and had him wolf for it. wisdom wasn't in thread to see the claims going down, but replied to this post

Saw the claim summary above. Maple's posting is pinging me. What's the current vote count?

Yeah makes sense. If there's something who'd fake claim to live another day it'd be Maple. What was the context before he claimed, was he pushed or was it from a safe position in threadstate?

what's her next post?

There is no way Dya's a wolf with that claim. From what I saw they were in a good position after EoD1 and jumping in just to cc Rask for no reason is something no wolf would do.

A few townies would use it as fps but Dya's not that kind of guy*. I think the softs are solid.

But having double vigs who targeted the same slot... sounds like crazy. Like, the only thing that makes sense is w!Rask. Kudos friend, you had me fooled!

Vote: Raskolnikov

*genderless guy

moving off maple and not elaborating on what he's claiming / reading it. no reaction to it

[grr]

I am wildly debating if I spend the next 6hrs collecting stuff for building a towncase on myself. i kinda want to but otoh the game ending on me getting MLed would actually be better than winning if im being real so feels like reverse incentive lmao

[insomnia]

and benneh would bus the both of them because he was the only one who didn't have a role claim and would be in a position to go deep

both manti and wisdom would eventually die because that's typically what happens when the only reason you live is not based on your posting, but based on your claim. if you don't get resolved in the night, you'll be resolved during the day

but dya clutched it up and put an end to a strat that might've saved them


im mostly making these posts just cuz i was re-reading and even though vanta "could" be a wolf due to low posting and not being as active or whatever, i just buy her posting as a clueless villa just trying to surf the thread. she doesn't really fit in the context of how this wolf team played imo

the narrative of "the wolves were getting fucked by d2 and had to bus to stay afloat" just makes much more sense to me

and the people i'd have to consider for a tough world are grr and ender. grr i heavily doubt is a wolf, would probably never vote him. so he's not a deep wolf. the other deep wolf option as a savior for this team would be ender, but he also has too many good posts imo

for vanta i just buy the angle that they're a lost villa. i don't think their posting is wolfy, even though it's lacking. i feel like that's the best case you could make for vanta, that they're lacking and obviously out of it, but i don't feel like that catches a wolf in this context of the game

maple would fit more in my eyes, also as a last wolf member

[grr]

Vote: Insomnia

hold this for me.

[grr]

Man im not getting any dinner tonight -.-

[grr]

I made dinner anyway.

fuck

[grr]

does anyone have a link to macdougalls latest towngame i have 6hrs to turn myself into a good player.

[Maple]

fuck my weak ass constitution i hate this

flipping through thread i see im in a *bit* of danger here which is *not good*, hoping my energy comes back in time

[Maple]

Imsom you keep mentioning my between ranges comment. Are you not the same person as Insomnia on MU? Because if you are I really don't get what you're saying. We've both been on MU for *years*, we've played plenty of games together and if I'm remembering right you've played in *several* games I've hosted.

[insomnia]

Imsom you keep mentioning my between ranges comment. Are you not the same person as Insomnia on MU? Because if you are I really don't get what you're saying. We've both been on MU for *years*, we've played plenty of games together and if I'm remembering right you've played in *several* games I've hosted.

like 4 years ago, then you retired

and back then i had a polarizing meta

what about stett, did you play with her?

[Maple]

Just verifying.

And I'm not wasting my limited energy getting into the weeds on this, I think it's a weird angle but I could see you looking at it like that as either alignment.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Maple 1 (EnderWiggin)
insomnia 1 (grr)