Tarot Mafia

[EnderWiggin]

You ever wake up staring at the ceiling and think about the mafia game you're in only to remember a read you made previous night and cringe?

Publicly not giving insom a card is the stupidest unpairing I've made yet. Gotta do irl stuff first but honestly I need to reread insom/maple because if w/w then Maple has been giving cards on nights that the original target died like Arctic/Monty.

"Why wouldn't Maple have given partner Insom a card yet" - dumb ender from like 6 or 7 hours ago.

[EnderWiggin]

Grr's also voting insom lol. I'll read up what that's about in a bit. Gotta sort out irl

[grr]

You ever wake up staring at the ceiling and think about the mafia game you're in only to remember a read you made previous night and cringe?

Publicly not giving insom a card is the stupidest unpairing I've made yet. Gotta do irl stuff first but honestly I need to reread insom/maple because if w/w then Maple has been giving cards on nights that the original target died like Arctic/Monty.

"Why wouldn't Maple have given partner Insom a card yet" - dumb ender from like 6 or 7 hours ago.

most of the time I think of extremely funny posts i would make if i wasnt sure they would offend some guy some how.

[grr]

Grr's also voting insom lol. I'll read up what that's about in a bit. Gotta sort out irl

yeah lets be real he outed d1

[grr]

and benneh would bus the both of them because he was the only one who didn't have a role claim and would be in a position to go deep

both manti and wisdom would eventually die because that's typically what happens when the only reason you live is not based on your posting, but based on your claim. if you don't get resolved in the night, you'll be resolved during the day

but dya clutched it up and put an end to a strat that might've saved them


im mostly making these posts just cuz i was re-reading and even though vanta "could" be a wolf due to low posting and not being as active or whatever, i just buy her posting as a clueless villa just trying to surf the thread. she doesn't really fit in the context of how this wolf team played imo

the narrative of "the wolves were getting fucked by d2 and had to bus to stay afloat" just makes much more sense to me

and the people i'd have to consider for a tough world are grr and ender. grr i heavily doubt is a wolf, would probably never vote him. so he's not a deep wolf. the other deep wolf option as a savior for this team would be ender, but he also has too many good posts imo

for vanta i just buy the angle that they're a lost villa. i don't think their posting is wolfy, even though it's lacking. i feel like that's the best case you could make for vanta, that they're lacking and obviously out of it, but i don't feel like that catches a wolf in this context of the game

maple would fit more in my eyes, also as a last wolf member

counter point, her readslist somehow looks like a copypasta of wisdoms readslist. (not like in content but in shape)

[grr]

i feel like vanta is spewed wolf by how much everyone loves her lol. ok maybe im overinterpreting this, but jesus that has been gnawing at me. like give me one reason no one is trying to mislim her rofl.

[grr]

and benneh would bus the both of them because he was the only one who didn't have a role claim and would be in a position to go deep

both manti and wisdom would eventually die because that's typically what happens when the only reason you live is not based on your posting, but based on your claim. if you don't get resolved in the night, you'll be resolved during the day

but dya clutched it up and put an end to a strat that might've saved them


im mostly making these posts just cuz i was re-reading and even though vanta "could" be a wolf due to low posting and not being as active or whatever, i just buy her posting as a clueless villa just trying to surf the thread. she doesn't really fit in the context of how this wolf team played imo

the narrative of "the wolves were getting fucked by d2 and had to bus to stay afloat" just makes much more sense to me

and the people i'd have to consider for a tough world are grr and ender. grr i heavily doubt is a wolf, would probably never vote him. so he's not a deep wolf. the other deep wolf option as a savior for this team would be ender, but he also has too many good posts imo

for vanta i just buy the angle that they're a lost villa. i don't think their posting is wolfy, even though it's lacking. i feel like that's the best case you could make for vanta, that they're lacking and obviously out of it, but i don't feel like that catches a wolf in this context of the game

maple would fit more in my eyes, also as a last wolf member

so if that was the plan, why did he decide to change course and switch to ladd 5 sec before EoD?

[Maple]

Okay I can't backread right now, tried to but that aint working so switching gears and gonna work with what I already have.

[grr]

benneh sniping ladd with that timing and reasoning was always outing for everyone who knows benneh. he decided to out there and then. if the vote isnt enough read his posts for benneh standards its lolcatting.

you're telling a narrative in which benneh could have gotten away with it if dya didn't clutch shoot and umm. no. his time was up after that either way.

[insomnia]

so if that was the plan, why did he decide to change course and switch to ladd 5 sec before EoD?

it's a good point to counter with, but the idea is that he could hide behind the other top village names who had also voted him

also i forget if this was the dayphase where we started giving maple leeway, i think it was after the jan gets the card thing so he was looking better

if the thread changed their view on maple, he also can. plus getting mislunches in this game would be really hard

but your rebutal isn't too good fmpov cuz with the flips thus far, who would be the deep wolf?

you're basically saying maple is v probably, so if he "outed" himself then did he do that with vanta as his last team mate?

i don't think so, it's just wifom really

[insomnia]

i think it's pretty clear this wolfteam didn't have much of a fighting chance

the only instance where that's false would be if ender is the wolf

im just working under the assumption he took a mislunch where he had enough cover to hide behind, otherwise you'd have to tell me if his vote means anything then that makes ender the wolf

you can't decide the wolfteam or partners just from that vote alone

[grr]

would Ladd be more upset at me for misvoting him here if he’s town or me breaking the spaghetti noodles I just put in the water for dinner

Vote: ladd


siw trusting dya here

pasta gods give me strength

i mean... ?

[grr]

(and yes im voting insomnia but im obviously not casing him so that would convince exactly no one even if it was correct so he'd only die here if he was a villa anyway so the vote isn't really serious lmao)

[grr]

it's a good point to counter with, but the idea is that he could hide behind the other top village names who had also voted him

also i forget if this was the dayphase where we started giving maple leeway, i think it was after the jan gets the card thing so he was looking better

if the thread changed their view on maple, he also can. plus getting mislunches in this game would be really hard

but your rebutal isn't too good fmpov cuz with the flips thus far, who would be the deep wolf?

you're basically saying maple is v probably, so if he "outed" himself then did he do that with vanta as his last team mate?

i don't think so, it's just wifom really

i mean. vanta+ender, vanta+you, vanta+maple (ok the last one wouldnt be a deepwolf ig lol).

[Maple]

If you read that day the literal *only* reason I lived is because of Jan stating that he was going to target me. I would have died otherwise, so the entire discussion there is kinda moot. And the only reason I *didn't* die in the night was ben outing in jan's eyes + the fact that he received an inarguably positive action in the medic card.

Those stars aligning caused me to live. So ladd *not* going over kills me, my action not going off kills me, the person with the role being someone *other* than jan kills me. So the idea that I'm a wolf and there's some sort of plan doesn't really work because frankly me living pretty clearly comes down to luck.

The arguments that I can be the deepwolf runs directly counter with the argument that ben was bussing me. In almost any other scenario we *both* die.

[insomnia]

i really think this conversation has no bearing on maple's alignment brav

If you wanna read into it then be my guest. Clearly with syn being dead d1 and wisdom being a dead person walking, "outing" himself is ludicrous no matter which way you look at it

Like if you think he actually had a rational plan and that it was fully rational "outing" there then lol. If you assume that then you must probably think it's ender 99% and ~never vanta cuz she would never win the way she played

No?

That's why it's useless

If the wolves were in a good position then i'd lean into the rational part, but when you're on the grill you must just take risks and the mislunches you get and hope you just live through it. Which is why i don't like your angle on this, cuz the wolfteam had been obviously under heavy artillery all game, it's not like he can afford to sacrifice himself rationally cuz he'd have a deeper team mate or whatever

That's how i view it at least /shrug

[grr]

ultimately I still believe maple has like, the worst relations(?) to... the flipped wolves so i will probs vote him but honestly what skeeves me out is that ur rocking a 4 wolf team but its kinda so silly im not even sure if thats the best you could come up with as wolf lol.

[grr]

If you read that day the literal *only* reason I lived is because of Jan stating that he was going to target me. I would have died otherwise, so the entire discussion there is kinda moot. And the only reason I *didn't* die in the night was ben outing in jan's eyes + the fact that he received an inarguably positive action in the medic card.

Those stars aligning caused me to live. So ladd *not* going over kills me, my action not going off kills me, the person with the role being someone *other* than jan kills me. So the idea that I'm a wolf and there's some sort of plan doesn't really work because frankly me living pretty clearly comes down to luck.

The arguments that I can be the deepwolf runs directly counter with the argument that ben was bussing me. In almost any other scenario we *both* die.

I think it's unlikely there is only 1 wolf left.

[insomnia]

If you read that day the literal *only* reason I lived is because of Jan stating that he was going to target me. I would have died otherwise, so the entire discussion there is kinda moot. And the only reason I *didn't* die in the night was ben outing in jan's eyes + the fact that he received an inarguably positive action in the medic card.

Those stars aligning caused me to live. So ladd *not* going over kills me, my action not going off kills me, the person with the role being someone *other* than jan kills me. So the idea that I'm a wolf and there's some sort of plan doesn't really work because frankly me living pretty clearly comes down to luck.

The arguments that I can be the deepwolf runs directly counter with the argument that ben was bussing me. In almost any other scenario we *both* die.

Nobody is saying you're the deepwolf xD

My point was he was meant to be. Then you gained some credibility and he obviously couldn't just bulldozer you because it would look odd for everyone, not to mention it's better to get a mislunch than bus in a relatively early spot

What was he gonna end up pushing you for? Cuz the only reason was your claim was untrackable / fake, what could he have possibly said after you've proven yourself to the thread

[grr]

I mean the bottom line is, everyone called inso a villager (i am not so sure but just is how it is), ender was highly sussed but seen unaligned with benneh even by the people who sussed him, vanta is ? idk no one cares about him lol.

From my readthrough I think Wisdom never cared about sending appealing posts in maples direction, which is a clear difference to how she treated stetter and me, and also Maple had the only vote EoD1 that could be conceived as directly trying to save the wolf, then their take on Rask d2 was wolfsided (let them live and self-resolve with dya iirc), then uh honestly going forward i dont really remember i think maple kinda just left the building when dolby was killed (said headache or something, fair).

[insomnia]

Maple i've laid out how my worldview looks like and if you're villa, we're in a really tight spot fypov

You probably should have the most urgency out of us and I just can't tell where your head is at

[Maple]

Indeed. I'm trying to go over my notes right now. I think realistically, it just isn't grr here. I don't want to spend too long going over that, but I don't think grr is paired with insom or ender, and i think grr is the player least likely to kill mont last night

and my head is currently like on fire or something, im doing what i can lol

[insomnia]

Like you're legit gonna die in about 2 hours and the only way you make it out is by casing Vanta and / or going for a tinfoil of grr and / or ender

I wish you did that because you delaying it so hard when you've been living in a 2-man team is prettyyyyy bad in terms of us seeing you're a villager (or just me i guess if im the only one thinking like this)

I think you should have said at least something about either of grr or ender by this point, some tinfoiling idk. Cuz i know im not a wolf and your only options are ender / grr / vanta, but im pretty confident grr is a villager.

so really your PoV from my pov (what a sentence to type out btw) is ender / vanta which i feel like you have some ammunition for but you haven't fired anything yet

is this fair?

[Maple]

I mean the bottom line is, everyone called inso a villager (i am not so sure but just is how it is), ender was highly sussed but seen unaligned with benneh even by the people who sussed him, vanta is ? idk no one cares about him lol.

From my readthrough I think Wisdom never cared about sending appealing posts in maples direction, which is a clear difference to how she treated stetter and me, and also Maple had the only vote EoD1 that could be conceived as directly trying to save the wolf, then their take on Rask d2 was wolfsided (let them live and self-resolve with dya iirc), then uh honestly going forward i dont really remember i think maple kinda just left the building when dolby was killed (said headache or something, fair).

im actually annoyed with how all of that went down, i was pretty close to flipping on dolby and teaming up to murder knights -- which *still* would have been incorrect -- but the claim got him killed for strictly speaking correct reasons

but meh i can't really begrudge him that considering other stuff this game lol

[insomnia]

(and yes im voting insomnia but im obviously not casing him so that would convince exactly no one even if it was correct so he'd only die here if he was a villa anyway so the vote isn't really serious lmao)

I mean you're about to vote the guy i've been pushing all day

So that doesn't make you feel any way? Why not vote vanta then?

[EnderWiggin]

I mean the bottom line is, everyone called inso a villager (i am not so sure but just is how it is), ender was highly sussed but seen unaligned with benneh even by the people who sussed him, vanta is ? idk no one cares about him lol.

And yet still somehow people turned around to make me sus lmao.

Benneh literally spent half D1/D2 trying to snipe me (Before wolves were fucked. Syn was ~townread, Wisdom wasn't talked about, for ex when Benneh first tried to get me wagoned with Sunbae. Arguably after D1 wolves likelihood to bus was much higher.)

Just here and catching up with overnight things now. (Yes I saw my name and had to respond shush.)

[Maple]

Like you're legit gonna die in about 2 hours and the only way you make it out is by casing Vanta and / or going for a tinfoil of grr and / or ender

I wish you did that because you delaying it so hard when you've been living in a 2-man team is prettyyyyy bad in terms of us seeing you're a villager (or just me i guess if im the only one thinking like this)

I think you should have said at least something about either of grr or ender by this point, some tinfoiling idk. Cuz i know im not a wolf and your only options are ender / grr / vanta, but im pretty confident grr is a villager.

so really your PoV from my pov (what a sentence to type out btw) is ender / vanta which i feel like you have some ammunition for but you haven't fired anything yet

is this fair?

so right now im basically weighing you vs ender, yes

assuming 2 alive, anyway

grr/insom doesn't really make sense to me and i think grr just isnt wolf

so if we have ender/vanta i think we can assume the general plan is to just bus wisdom, then they need 2 more day kills, presumably 1 is me and the second is a) sunbae b) a hard fought f5, which seems *pretty hard*. I think in theory they could go after you. There's also potentially Knights, considering how the rand went down. The kill on sunbae ends up being decent from the PoV of like every villager outside of me, honestly.

sorry getting back on track

the ender/vanta team has a pool of 3 mls in me/sunbae/knights and clears in insom/grr/mont me/grr then its sunbae/knights | insom/mont as the f5, something like that. So I think an all-in approach on a wisdom bus makes sense in that context especially given both me and sunbae were wildcarding, so a hammer onto wisdom clears 1 player + eliminates a ml + makes them feel a lot safer. The opposite makes grr/insom pretty unlikely, if that makes sense.


So moving on to insom/vanta, I think it basically boils down to solohero insom w/ buses lined up on vanta+wisdom. The early vote on knights and peacing is a little bit weak and risky, unless we want to start pushing on VCA but frankly im the only player alive who does that? So being against me and having me lined up as a ml in that 50/50 while also having that fact makes that line seem pretty awkward. Going over it now, it really does just come down to soloheroing, right? unless there's some PRs we dont know about, but there's no KP left so it doesnt really matter.

mmm

i guess looking at it through that lens, the insom world gets kinda messed up in that way, cause my cards were close and sunbae could have gone either direction before insom left thread for the day, i think. idk, its more of a hopeless move vs someone trying to solo win, i guess. Unless it was thought at the time that vanta could help in a f5 i guess? idk the more i circle over this, the less likely vanta/insom feels on vibes. i mean, what would insom/ender look like? idk it makes more sense to just fakeclaim some other shit and go for a kill in the cards in every case, right? i guess the idea becomes trying to difference check me and go for a win like that, assuming i don't stack with the kp assuming the claim was fakefake.

[grr]

[QUOTE=insomnia;2053861009]I mean you're about to vote the guy i've been pushing all day

So that doesn't make you feel any way?

Have you met me. (you have.)

Why not vote vanta then?

I have been thinking about it and it's probably what I would do if I was seriously gonna push for that.

[EnderWiggin]

Me: Maple is definitely wolf!

Everyone: Yeah Maple is most likely wolf.

Me: *Narrows eyes* Why is everyone agreeing with me.

[insomnia]

Can I ask why you're so confident on grr?

You said you can't read him and yet you have him village with ease

Feel free to reply or ignore if you feel it won't help, i'm 90% voting you anyway and i don't see how that would change unless you full case ender / vanta

But I just don't think ender is a wolf, so im sorry if that's the team and im gonna mislunch you today