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[ladd]

if youre asking me

idk

ender feels a lot different than last game, the post that stands out is the fuckoff huge paragraph about d1 wolfing and shit, ya know the whole "trust tell" thing. Posting feels generally alignment agnostic, which is apparently deliberate

if youre asking on a micro level, i think ender has posted well this game. I dont feel particularly *inspired* by the like... overall body of work, but the posts themselves make word sound good.

so basically

I could go either way :curtains: ( ? idk the smilie selector isnt working for me)

brah this is such a weird read on ender, i dont think until this point ender has explained a single post in ww terms other than a huge NAI indicative wall at vaimes

[Hally]

i’m not really confident on anything but i thiiiink cuth/vaimes/cape/syn/taffy should probably all be villas here

we’ll see though lol

i don’t really get how vaimes dies over me if this is a pure villa list

maybe they thought he was more likely pr or i was more likely protected if there’s protection but i dunno

i mean, it’s not crazy he would die since everyone town read him but if my villa list is pure i feel like wolves would perceive me as a bigger threat

[ladd]

Weirdly enough I think ender doing trump roleplay is Wolfy for him

Someone who saw our recent hydra game and then decided to use that schtick as a way to subconsciously ingratiate themself into a player list of both Rask and me v

Like yes it is a 'meme' but it's a targeted meme thats meant to ward off ppl who would usually sniff him out

vote: ender

:fuel:

finally reached THE post

They've both done a lot more than this, but these particular things they've done make me think there's a wolf between them [ladd note: rask and wisdom]

I was leery of how fast Wisdom's wagon formed too but now you and Cape both starting to push me makes me think she's just a hit

vote: Wisdom

Yeahh, I really dont like these 2 posts, the confidence is extremely weird given the reasoning behind it and the second post with wisdom/visor wagons being close is pretty bad.

also dont like how they ignored the visor post happening on this page and hally going after visor, considering it's the only interesting thing thats happened in the last 10 pages

Now I'm kinda hoping the Visor flashwagon in honour of Wisdom's birthday that Rask predicted actually happens

but I won't be around for it bc I got up early and I have other things to do before I can go to bed

and this is the last post before they go to sleep

You think I've had enough time over christmas and new years to give more than 0 shits about a game I'm not in?

Bruuuuv.

Vote: Visor

I don't remember if I was already voting Visor but I definitely am now.

if someone wants to read into this being w/w or not

[ladd]

i don’t really get how vaimes dies over me if this is a pure villa list

maybe they thought he was more likely pr or i was more likely protected if there’s protection but i dunno

i mean, it’s not crazy he would die since everyone town read him but if my villa list is pure i feel like wolves would perceive me as a bigger threat

i usually joke about this stuff but i unironically wouldnt be surprised if it's to make my mislunch easier, since the wolves obviously need it

we'll find out postgame tho

[ladd]

new page

[4] wisdom - ladd, rask, cuth, taffy
[4] visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
[2] ladd - wisdom, syn
[1] taffy - cape
[1] ender - visor

wagons before wisdom makes their last post and vaimes makes all the mechanicall stuff

atp i think it was actually fairly reasonable to think wisdom could die over visor

Taffy went into indirect shading mode. IDK I'm just that good at catching frozen wolf.

Taffy's recent comment on Visor makes me worried Visor/Wisdom are v/v. Well, or just that Visor is town

Then again Taffy might have spewed Wisdom town too with the slimy looking comment on how me and Hally started pushing them, dismissing a "omg this wagon is building up" paranoia

level of confbias: villagery (probably)



it's funny that cape and taffy are actually the 2 players who seem to be most confident in their wolfreads (wisdom and taffy respectively)

not really all that ??? imo

I don't want visor chopped but it's still in the back of my mind that he once endgamed by relying on being shielded by posts like mine and iirc specifically me as well lol

still think this is a villagery post

[ladd]

4 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
3 wisdom - ladd, raskolnikov, taffy
2 ladd - wisdom, syn
1 raskolnikov - cuth
1 taffy - cape
1 ender - visor
1 cuth - maple

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mmm. Visor not even fighting feels weird for w!Visor.

Am I doubting my read at the 11th hour? Bloody right I am.

Flash wagon time?

i know hally this read too but i genuinely don't get it since obviously he wasnt able to be around as both alignment

it's 1 thing if he was around and posting limp but he just could not post which is as NAI as it gets

cape/ender/taffy has to contain one wolf

i really want some crispy roasted potatoes

this seems like it will end up being correct

I am ~moderately sure Wisdom is town and will only re-evaluate this read on D3 (because then I can bus them)

gonna be funny reading d2 and finding out what changed eheh



and now d1 is over and visor is ded

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

he flips wolf

idk if i have the time to d2 now but i should be able to read it on Sunday before EoD

vote: Taffy

[Hally]

i’ve been modeling taffy as a player who has weird reads that won’t make sense to me but will be findable off whether it seems like she believes them and whether she’s acting like she knows she’s a villager

kinda similar to michelle in broad strokes

but maybe that’s not the right model? it would help to see any wolf game from her


ladd, why taffy over maple? what do you think of her claim stuff? i guess that’s not really on D1

[ladd]

ladd, why taffy over maple? what do you think of her claim stuff? i guess that’s not really on D1

Cause on d1 taffy seemed to be the wolfiest player

Maple posts on d1 are mostly whatever, with some weird ones mixed in

Their claim (and i am speaking only mechanically wise) seems possible. Assuming they can semi prove it by using the neighbourhood tonight, i think a weak back up existing is reasonable if no other villa pr exists. If there is another pr, id say its too much for what i know of org meta set up wise

[Hally]

i actually like taffy’s D2 posts less than her D1 overall

I don't think it was a viable tactic for wolf!Cape to keep pushing me to save Visor after it became clear I wasn't going to die.



also this kinda resonates with me, as in, it looks more like town frustration to me than like wolf salt.

Otoh voting Visor when he believes wolf!me spewed him town looks the most like a bus. But I'd rather look for non-bussing wolves today, which leads me to thinking it's Syn. Or I'm wrong about Wisdom/Maple. Or the tinfoil world where Rask did shoot me and it's you and Cuth is real.

but then stuff like this doesn’t feel like something a wolf would think to post even though it doesn’t really make sense

[ladd]

i actually like taffy’s D2 posts less than her D1 overall


but then stuff like this doesn’t feel like something a wolf would think to post even though it doesn’t really make sense

Yea they have some lines d1 that give me pause too, i def wished i knew how they wolfed

I remember not liking them opening d2 assuming wagons were w/v cause i mean thry were super confident on wisdom/rask having 1 wolf, rask just died as v and you think the other kne is a villager just cause they were counterwagon to a wolf? Doesnt really track for me

Ender/maple does have some equity too from d1, weird v read from maple on ender and i remember maple defending ender eod2 and now today ender defense of maple

I just found taffy d1 worse but then again ender/maple barely had much going on d1

[Hally]

Yea they have some lines d1 that give me pause too, i def wished i knew how they wolfed

I remember not liking them opening d2 assuming wagons were w/v cause i mean thry were super confident on wisdom/rask having 1 wolf, rask just died as v and you think the other kne is a villager just cause they were counterwagon to a wolf? Doesnt really track for me

Ender/maple does have some equity too from d1, weird v read from maple on ender and i remember maple defending ender eod2 and now today ender defense of maple

I just found taffy d1 worse but then again ender/maple barely had much going on d1

how does taffy this game compare to her org town games? i assume she’s not been much different since you town read her the first two days


of note, ender has played with taffy a lot afaik and seems pretty sure she’s town (unless he changed his read overnight)

[ladd]

how does taffy this game compare to her org town games? i assume she’s not been much different since you town read her the first two days


of note, ender has played with taffy a lot afaik and seems pretty sure she’s town (unless he changed his read overnight)

I only played 1 game with them, i dint think i can really judge their meta

I could give it a read to refresh my mind but i dont have much of a baseline

[Totally not Taffy]

i still think syn is more in their villa meta and rask agreed

if wisdom is a wolf, they have some like suepr rough posts in their iso lmao but i'd lean them being a villager and i think some of their comments on visor don't look w/w and visor overexplainy early read on syn honestly doesnt really seem w/w wither (bit thin tho)

alrighty, but neither did visor

shrug.jpg


(to be clear i am not like 100% sure wisdom is a wolf at all, but i do think they are the best option for today)

i’m probably being unfair but if i ignore the cuth clear, it’s like…. so easy for me to confbias myself into a wolf read on ladd lmfao

i just don’t like his wisdom push at all? and this isn’t simply hindsight now that she flipped v, i thought that on D1 too. his reasons were just bad imo. very level 0 stuff that i kinda struggle to believe he would buy. maybe i’ll go back and quote what i mean but it felt like he was looking for reasons to call her a wolf, and then D2 he didn’t seem interested in continuing to solve her.

also maybe this is self-centered but i don’t get why he didn’t care about me defending wisdom. i feel like ladd as a villager is very collaborative and takes the reads of other strong players into account but he never seemed curious why i didn’t agree with his push. maybe it’s unfair to expect that because i did say i was fine with wisdom dying D2 and he wasn’t itt D1 when i started defending her. but i dunno, i feel like if i could find wisdom he should have been able to or at least had more reservations than he did.

even as i say all that, i still don’t get why he would clear cuth as a wolf lol. my thought overnight was he wouldn’t do it unless his teammate was someone deep like vaimes (lol) and he wasn’t concerned that taking cuth out of the PoE would endanger them. it seems so counterintuitive otherwise, like what’s the point? the game is so easy for him if he doesn’t saying anything.

i don’t know lol

i think taffy last posts are so out of touch with gamestate they are villagery

how you feeling about taffy and syn?

I only played 1 game with them, i dint think i can really judge their meta

I could give it a read to refresh my mind but i dont have much of a baseline

I'm pretty sure we've played more games on here together than that
You're just not usually alive in them all that long

[Totally not Taffy]

I had forgotten about the multiquote
It really does hate me

Let me clean that up

[Totally not Taffy]

This post I quoted bc it pinged me that Ladd answered Hally's question about me and Syn by ignoring me and talking about Wisdom instead

how you feeling about taffy and syn?

i still think syn is more in their villa meta and rask agreed

if wisdom is a wolf, they have some like suepr rough posts in their iso lmao but i'd lean them being a villager and i think some of their comments on visor don't look w/w and visor overexplainy early read on syn honestly doesnt really seem w/w wither (bit thin tho)

But then when I went back later to get Hally's post so I could do the quote-in-quote I did see this one so he didn't confuse "the two town he wanted to misyeet" he just only quoted Hally with the second half of his answer

i think taffy last posts are so out of touch with gamestate they are villagery

He's still townreading Wisdom there but pushes back against Vaimes arguing Wisdom is towny for not seeming to care about self-survival

alrighty, but neither did visor

shrug.jpg


(to be clear i am not like 100% sure wisdom is a wolf at all, but i do think they are the best option for today)

I disagree, if you have reasons to townread someone you thought was a wolf the day before, you should re-eval, not stubbornly push them over anyway over ppl who had a wolfy EoD. And I'm not seeing everybody using Wisdom's townflip as a pivotal part of their solving today. It's nonsense.

[Totally not Taffy]

Yea they have some lines d1 that give me pause too, i def wished i knew how they wolfed

I remember not liking them opening d2 assuming wagons were w/v cause i mean thry were super confident on wisdom/rask having 1 wolf, rask just died as v and you think the other kne is a villager just cause they were counterwagon to a wolf? Doesnt really track for me

Ender/maple does have some equity too from d1, weird v read from maple on ender and i remember maple defending ender eod2 and now today ender defense of maple

I just found taffy d1 worse but then again ender/maple barely had much going on d1

Like this is so unfair, yes I was convinced D1 that there was a wolf between Wisdom and Rask, but I also had no read on Visor at all. Then he flipped wolf, and I don't think "we flipped a wolf, surely the other wagon was a wolf as well because we're just that good" is normal reasoning. Usually when you flip a wolf the cw is town. Not always, but most of the time. And I thought the way Wisdom talked about Visor D1 wasn't paired. So I changed my mind, and I'm pretty sure I explained why. (and yes if Rask hadn't flipped and without knowing about the desperado shot there's a decent chance I'd have pushed him D2 but shush)

Meanwhile, you've changed your mind about me being towny yesterday despite me not having posted inbetween, based on re-reading, why am I being shaded for not having static reads?!

[Totally not Taffy]

I think Syn has had two wolfy EoDs but I also want to kill Ladd but Syn is voting Ladd.

[Totally not Taffy]

I think Syn has had two wolfy EoDs but I also want to kill Ladd but Syn is voting Ladd.

Otoh there's no reason to believe it can't be both.

[Totally not Taffy]

I think Syn has had two wolfy EoDs but I also want to kill Ladd but Syn is voting Ladd.

Actually I'm wrong Syn isn't voting Ladd at all

[Totally not Taffy]

Vote: Ladd

[Totally not Taffy]

even as i say all that, i still don’t get why he would clear cuth as a wolf lol. my thought overnight was he wouldn’t do it unless his teammate was someone deep like vaimes (lol) and he wasn’t concerned that taking cuth out of the PoE would endanger them. it seems so counterintuitive otherwise, like what’s the point? the game is so easy for him if he doesn’t saying anything.

i don’t know lol

My take is that a) you have to do something to look villagery when you're pushing townies and b) Ladd would have had no idea whether or not Cuth might not have gotten feedback about being shot at.

Is this why you originally said Ladd and Cuth could only be wolves together?

[ladd]

This post I quoted bc it pinged me that Ladd answered Hally's question about me and Syn by ignoring me and talking about Wisdom instead



But then when I went back later to get Hally's post so I could do the quote-in-quote I did see this one so he didn't confuse "the two town he wanted to misyeet" he just only quoted Hally with the second half of his answer



He's still townreading Wisdom there but pushes back against Vaimes arguing Wisdom is towny for not seeming to care about self-survival



I disagree, if you have reasons to townread someone you thought was a wolf the day before, you should re-eval, not stubbornly push them over anyway over ppl who had a wolfy EoD. And I'm not seeing everybody using Wisdom's townflip as a pivotal part of their solving today. It's nonsense.

I was talking about syn, not wisdom jn the answer to hally

I never v read wisdom except for early d1

[Totally not Taffy]

I was talking about syn, not wisdom jn the answer to hally

I never v read wisdom except for early d1

Ohh I misread that second paragraph

I'm going to check that tomorrow though

but for now

Vote: Unvote

[Maple]

@Maple what was the specific line from vaimes?

Don't recall the specifics. I made the observation that vaimes seemed like a flashy player and was making himself pushable with that energy. I think the line i was worried about was one where they were conscious of that fact and was using it to stay dynamic or something like that.

My engagement with this game being as low at it is evidently is not helping these thoughts stick in my brain lol

[Maple]

im pretty sure wagons were all village yesterday, and like the absolute lack of ability to cfd fucking blew but whatever, i think syn's eod yesterday was soooo bad and wish we were able to swap there before eod

im pretty frustrated. im concerned that some of my vilalge reads might be wrong, but i liked both cape and ender so far today, but really for selfish reasons. I thinki cape's SoD post is in the realm of prewritten villagery cause its like full of a lot of kinda silly goodies

i think ender is talking about last game in a pretty villagery way

im VERY worried about the possibility of playing out a lylo scenario with hally alive with me, but ye if syn's a hit and i get my role confirmed things look a lot less scary.

and so im conveniently left with a syn-taffy team, which i havent given my typical due diligence. i *want* to put in the work, and make a spreadsheet, and do points, and do all my usual shit but fuck man i cant get myself into this game and i hate that fact. im doomed to become a polarized noob...

[Hally]

My take is that a) you have to do something to look villagery when you're pushing townies and b) Ladd would have had no idea whether or not Cuth might not have gotten feedback about being shot at.

Is this why you originally said Ladd and Cuth could only be wolves together?

i’ve never seen a desperado that gives feedback to the person who was shot and i’m 99% sure ladd would never consider that a possibility

he could maybe think there’s a possibility of an investigative knowing cuth was targeted but even with a result like that nobody could know ladd was the one who was neighborized so it would never come back to him if he didn’t say anything

[Syn]

im pretty sure wagons were all village yesterday, and like the absolute lack of ability to cfd fucking blew but whatever, i think syn's eod yesterday was soooo bad and wish we were able to swap there before eod

im pretty frustrated. im concerned that some of my vilalge reads might be wrong, but i liked both cape and ender so far today, but really for selfish reasons. I thinki cape's SoD post is in the realm of prewritten villagery cause its like full of a lot of kinda silly goodies

i think ender is talking about last game in a pretty villagery way

im VERY worried about the possibility of playing out a lylo scenario with hally alive with me, but ye if syn's a hit and i get my role confirmed things look a lot less scary.

and so im conveniently left with a syn-taffy team, which i havent given my typical due diligence. i *want* to put in the work, and make a spreadsheet, and do points, and do all my usual shit but fuck man i cant get myself into this game and i hate that fact. im doomed to become a polarized noob...

the wolfiest post you've made all game so far

[Syn]

since this is a safe space, I have to say this... I think ladd might be a villager

[Syn]

vote: Maple

[Syn]

I think Syn has had two wolfy EoDs but I also want to kill Ladd but Syn is voting Ladd.

Otoh there's no reason to believe it can't be both.

Actually I'm wrong Syn isn't voting Ladd at all

Vote: Ladd

I was talking about syn, not wisdom jn the answer to hally

I never v read wisdom except for early d1

Ohh I misread that second paragraph

I'm going to check that tomorrow though

but for now

Vote: Unvote

this whole thing comes across like fake spontaneous development