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[Wisdom]

I don't have much faith that a wolf yeets today but I still think there are wolves in ladd/visor/maple

[Wisdom]

I don't have much faith that a wolf yeets today but I still think there are wolves in ladd/visor/maple

And Cuth
Ender too, maybe?

[Wisdom]

Waza
Hally
Taffy
Cape
Rask
Vaimes
Syn
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Ender
Visor/Maple/Cuth
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Ladd

[Raskolnikov]

My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.

So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.

And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.

Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.

But they've actually both become wolfier.

Rask wants the Wisdom wagon to be "just teasing her for her birthday" and says he needs to reread her while voting Cuth but then when Ender wants to shoot him that's going to definitely reveal her as a wolf. This looks like a wolf who knows Wisdom is going to flip v and wants to keep his own hands clean but also wants others to vote there.

Wisdom has not fleshed out her wolfread on Rask but he's still a wolf however she's voting Ladd for potentially being teamed with him (and for why he's voting her)

Idk but it's one of them and I'd like to vote the correct one.

for context, my read on Syn last game was terrible (last summer game where I was 3p) so u gotta understand it is influencing and colouring my approach to his slot (something along the line "hey pal, you could be wrong, so relax and don't burry him after a ping"), and also I think he has been villagery in this game.

also, that post about flashing Visor at EOD was a joke (or not )

tsk tsk tsk. (ngl taffy, I liked your previous input but not this one - like I am having trouble believing u couldn't parse the jokes from the actual content in my posts)

[Raskolnikov]

Well you've never been wrong on me before ((((:

lmao what is this post? I was right last game and yet u still endgame as a wolf, so I am not sure what your point is here. Are you always right? on me even? is it stopping you from outing reads on me or playing?

I like you but come on, stop this line. outright downgrading someone else play is dirty frienda. u are better than that ;)

[Vaimes]

unvote
vote: wisdom

whoever asked me about my hally read: i think she's town. gimme a sec to pull quotes

[Syn]

oh also, my read on syn has shifted more towards something like

nobody knows what the fuck he's saying and he seems to be living in his own world, which suggests he is probably uninformed

this is not a read i will carry into day 2, because i'm not getting any sense of town motivation from him

if I had 500,000 dollars for every time a wolf said this about me, I would be a millionaire but still be unable to afford a home here

the economy

it's in shambles

[Vaimes]

i liked that she admitted to lurking at the start of the game, plus her later post about how she normally subs in and is feeling a bit directionless without pages of posts to go through. i understand it's not a good reason to townread someone, but i'm taking it more like a side dish rather than an entree

plus her complaining about the low activity when she could just coast

lmao

i was gonna write a post to vaimes telling him not to v read you for your post about cuth because i remember you making that sort of post as a wolf but i didn’t bother cuz we seem to agree on everything

including apparently not wanting the other to get town read so easily

this does not strike me as something she would say if she knew our alignments

i think rask is probably a villager too

post #96 where he goes into his thoughts on waza felt like an angle a wolf wouldn’t really take and was a pretty nuanced progression of thought. and in general he feels fine imo? though i don’t have the same level of experience with him as ladd does and it feels like when we play together i’m always wolfing against him


the only people that i haven’t felt anything villagery from are cuth/maple/ender but that feels like a really lame PoE

i don’t really feel like killing outside there rn though

curious if anyone has any reason to town read anyone in that group?

i guess

the last two lines move the needle more towards +town. i think wolf!hally just ends it with "i don't feel like killing outside this poe"

oops, hit submit by accident

was gonna say i guess if taffy doesn’t do anything else i could see myself considering dropping her down but i feel like i recall her being a low poster? so meh

potentially talking herself out of what could be an easy push? if tally is a low- but quality-poster, then i think wolves would be incentivized to push on her earlier than later

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so overall i get underperforming villa vibes here

[waza]

Vote:Visor

(This doesn’t mean I tr wisdom, im not sure what my read is on her or what she’s doing but I think I can parse her better with time, I do think ladd is town and I’m wary of the thread becoming warped around wisdom vs ladd Incase wisdom is town too . That being said some of her answers were still confusing to me yesterday so I understand why the wagon exists on top of other reasons

Ummm I think if hally is town this game will be fairly straight forward and we win this well before it gets to lylo. however I keep changing my mind on her a lot. If she’s alive in lylo make sure she is the first person to vote and do not clear her for pushing a partner endgame if she was mostly powerwolfing prior to that

[Syn]

Rask.

I would kill Rask even if it didn't help me get a better grip on the game

[ladd]

I mean I probably have a fever but
She sounded so confident in her initial town read on me
I felt like we bonded
I feel betrayed

I don't get why you are still holding onto the hally villa read but wolfreading me for doing the same thing hally did but in a much softer way imo (my v read on u was never really particuarly strong and i have explained pretty clearly my turnaround iyam)

I also think you misunderstood this hally post:

happy birthday wisdom

hope you’re enjoying the gift of a town rand

for a strong villa read on you while it was actual to be meant literally

hally's read on you wasnt really that strong to begin with:

- also liked wisdom thinking the waza/rask interaction were weird. specifically, i’m not sure why rask cared to ask waza what his thoughts on wisdom were after she had only made one post. but then i kinda got suckered by rask saying i was gonna RWSTFO lol. TBD

And Cuth
Ender too, maybe?

can u talk about your progression on ender?

[Syn]

My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.

So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.

I always make jokes. You will always see me making jokes more than making reads

Also I say this every game and every time I get ignored, but Rask has no godread on me. he doesn't even have a vaguely reliable read on me. This site just turbo-chops me whenever my activity dips and they happened to get lucky twice and now think I just don't post when I wolf, which isn't true. look at me now. I'm active and posting and I'm a wolf

But yes Rask is wolfy and he should be launched into the sun

[Vaimes]

if I had 500,000 dollars for every time a wolf said this about me, I would be a millionaire but still be unable to afford a home here

the economy

it's in shambles

ok

do you want to deny that most, if not all, of the responses to your scumread of me have been some variation of "i don't understand" or "what do you mean by that"?

i'll take everything back if i've somehow just been completely making things up

[ladd]

I always make jokes. You will always see me making jokes more than making reads

Also I say this every game and every time I get ignored, but Rask has no godread on me. he doesn't even have a vaguely reliable read on me. This site just turbo-chops me whenever my activity dips and they happened to get lucky twice and now think I just don't post when I wolf, which isn't true. look at me now. I'm active and posting and I'm a wolf

But yes Rask is wolfy and he should be launched into the sun

[Syn]

And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.

Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.

IIRC I just said their posts are D1 Wisdom posts, which I still stand by. I've seen this approach done by them in most games regardless of alignment when they can't thread-sit and are a little run-down and SOD times suck. I don't think it's impossible they flip wolf but I wouldn't argue that they will because of their posting so far

[Syn]

ok

do you want to deny that most, if not all, of the responses to your scumread of me have been some variation of "i don't understand" or "what do you mean by that"?

i'll take everything back if i've somehow just been completely making things up

their responses are fine. you're specifically using it as a means to both discredit me and to allow you to circle back later to start a wagon if I happen to become inconvenient. schrodinger's read. it's both town and wolf until you've discovered an optimized use for the read (not something a villager does)

[Syn]

unvote: ladd
vote: vaimes

will probably switch back to ladd if wisdom is in danger near EOD. because we're wolf partners

[waza]

if I had 500,000 dollars for every time a wolf said this about me, I would be a millionaire but still be unable to afford a home here

the economy

it's in shambles

One more point before I go and idk if I’ll be back because work

Someone needs to make it a priority at some point in the game to help vaimes and syn find each other (if you agree this is two towns - which I do). I think one of wolves late game wincons this game will likely be banking on Syn or vaimes misvoting each other in the latter stages so if you are both alive late game you need to be wary of that imo

[Vaimes]

that's a fair opinion

personally, i'd vig you right now if i could. in front of god and everything

but people i townread are advocating for you, so i'm letting it go, with full intention of changing my mind later based on flips/claims/reactions

really i don't have to lift a finger to discredit your read. it's a bad one, and it's clear to me that any which way i come at you will be interpreted as scummy, sooo. i'll mind my business over here

[Vaimes]

unvote: ladd
vote: vaimes

will probably switch back to ladd if wisdom is in danger near EOD. because we're wolf partners

are you being ironic lmao

you're using the exact same humor i used to "discredit" you

maybe we're just too alike

[ladd]

i get what you are saying about vaimes, syn. in fact i'll even say his hally villa read is weak stuff imo


but

1) i think from his energy/solving and level of comfort in the thread i just don't think he is a wolf, especially given most of the pl doesnt know him and he could have gotten away with doing way less. sometimes ww is that easy

2) he doesnt know you so I get how your posting could have that effect on someone with no previous experience




feel free to do what u want but this is my 2 cents

i probably v read you more than him now which is a funny turn of events lmao but i think its pretty likely you are both villas

[Syn]

One more point before I go and idk if I’ll be back because work

Someone needs to make it a priority at some point in the game to help vaimes and syn find each other (if you agree this is two towns - which I do). I think one of wolves late game wincons this game will likely be banking on Syn or vaimes misvoting each other in the latter stages so if you are both alive late game you need to be wary of that imo

waza number one advocate for couples therapy

I'm not worried about endgaming

[Wisdom]

lmao what is this post? I was right last game and yet u still endgame as a wolf, so I am not sure what your point is here. Are you always right? on me even? is it stopping you from outing reads on me or playing?

I like you but come on, stop this line. outright downgrading someone else play is dirty frienda. u are better than that ;)

Oh sorry I forgot about that last time, I was referencing the game where you tunneled v!me into oblivion, and I felt that your approach here was similar. Didn't mean to be rude!

Fwiw I think you've been towny lately

[Wisdom]

I don't get why you are still holding onto the hally villa read but wolfreading me for doing the same thing hally did but in a much softer way imo (my v read on u was never really particuarly strong and i have explained pretty clearly my turnaround iyam)

I also think you misunderstood this hally post:



for a strong villa read on you while it was actual to be meant literally

hally's read on you wasnt really that strong to begin with:









can u talk about your progression on ender?

I thought Ender had a towny vibe initially but didn't like the interaction with Vaimes. I dunno, being NAI on purpose is hard to read I guess

[Vaimes]

i get what you are saying about vaimes, syn. in fact i'll even say his hally villa read is weak stuff imo

weak input, weak output. i do not know her and her thread presence doesn't exactly knock me out of the park

how would you read her? or point to your read if i missed it

[ladd]

I thought Ender had a towny vibe initially but didn't like the interaction with Vaimes. I dunno, being NAI on purpose is hard to read I guess

anything in particular you didnt like?

afair they were discussing game theory, i dont think there is much more nai than that

weak input, weak output. i do not know her and her thread presence doesn't exactly knock me out of the park

how would you read her? or point to your read if i missed it

i agreed with basically everything they posted, which is worth a d1 villa read

but then they made the maple post that i did not like for reasons i explained to rask

so uh, i guess they go in the "mixed feeling" bucket for now but tbh i have a feeling they are gonnd end up being a wolf. we'll see tho

[Vaimes]

it wouldn't occur to me to dislike the maple post, because i actually agreed with her line of thought there

and she had the exact same reaction to cuth's entrance that i did, so

townlean

shrug

[ladd]

i'll probably pop back in before EoD but I will not be around for eod as it's 2 am

i am pretty comfortable with waza/syn/vaimes/rask/taffy/cape being villagers

it wouldn't occur to me to dislike the maple post, because i actually agreed with her line of thought there

and she had the exact same reaction to cuth's entrance that i did, so

townlean

shrug

alrighty, fair enuf


I am no wolf hally expert, I just think they remind me of myself (and also going from last game they were w on here) and i feel best way to catch them is when they over extend either to push an agenda or to go too hard on something

because thats the best way to catch me when i wolf lmao


and that maple post just really looked like that but again i dont wanna beat a dead horse, i have said my piece

[Maple]

i get what you are saying about vaimes, syn. in fact i'll even say his hally villa read is weak stuff imo


but

1) i think from his energy/solving and level of comfort in the thread i just don't think he is a wolf, especially given most of the pl doesnt know him and he could have gotten away with doing way less. sometimes ww is that easy

2) he doesnt know you so I get how your posting could have that effect on someone with no previous experience




feel free to do what u want but this is my 2 cents

i probably v read you more than him now which is a funny turn of events lmao but i think its pretty likely you are both villas

I'm weary of basically a specific line from a w!vaines here, but agree that this archetype of "experienced but new player" is tyyyypically >rand v. I think there's a sort of *drama* to how vaimes is posting which i can see as rubbing wolfy, but if you ignore that, the slot is basically ~fine. Pushable, yes, though if I weren't so lazy my push on vaimes would *largely* be to see how like... rask, syn, etc. react more than anything.

[ladd]

From here on i may disappear and not be back for eod whenever

Cant say i am particularly confident on wisdom but switching to visor/cuth/maple feels a bit lame and unpredictable without knowing what they ll post between here and eod and i dont see the need to go for hally d1