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[Syn]

I also think it makes Syn very likely town. I already thought this but it reinforces it.

what

[EnderWiggin]

i'm...pretty much in agreement with what ladd is saying tbh

maybe not the finer details but at least that the scumteam is in maple/taffy/wisdom/ender

i'm just voting ender rn because the crossvote there was so different tone-wise from all his other posts

Visor and I have dominated town in pretty much every game w/w together and the one time I died in recent history it gave no help to town and Visor won.

I mean you don't know us, which makes this take fairer.

But Visor and I first played together over a decade ago. I would be very surprised the day one of us makes such a gaffe as overt tone change like that post.

[EnderWiggin]

what

What?

[EnderWiggin]

I'm ngl it's actually really annoying that I was the first to push a sus on Visor and I'm now in this situation where people are voting me and putting forward me being a wolf.

Most people at the time when I first voiced it (though I was acting my bit at the time and being silly so not really trying to convince others yet) were like "Visor is fine" or "Visor is town". He was on a few POEs but no one really put any sus on him specifically

I think... Waza was the next person to voice anything on it? And that was pages after my initial sus. And then Wisdom Ruleof3's Visor a bunch but never goes there. I don't really remember anyone else following onto Visor until he made the weird-ass post on me.

Like at what point does an experienced player look at thread, see that they're voted by like 2 people(1 of which is a partner who has no reason to stick the vote there permanently) and vaguely sussed by a few others, and say "I'm gonna make a weird-ass toneswitch read on my partner, that'll do it."

[EnderWiggin]

It would grant me Great Wisdom.

This was the post I was saying I'd read Wisdom off Rask's flip.

Which... honestly isn't actually explained here. My bad lmao

[Hally]

I'm ngl it's actually really annoying that I was the first to push a sus on Visor and I'm now in this situation where people are voting me and putting forward me being a wolf.

Most people at the time when I first voiced it (though I was acting my bit at the time and being silly so not really trying to convince others yet) were like "Visor is fine" or "Visor is town". He was on a few POEs but no one really put any sus on him specifically

I think... Waza was the next person to voice anything on it? And that was pages after my initial sus. And then Wisdom Ruleof3's Visor a bunch but never goes there. I don't really remember anyone else following onto Visor until he made the weird-ass post on me.

Like at what point does an experienced player look at thread, see that they're voted by like 2 people(1 of which is a partner who has no reason to stick the vote there permanently) and vaguely sussed by a few others, and say "I'm gonna make a weird-ass toneswitch read on my partner, that'll do it."

i mean, i think the reason that nobody really cares about your early wolf read on visor is that it was a gimmick post that nobody really thought was serious and you didn’t explain it at all or do anything with it

it was basically equivalent to a naked vote

maybe it seems unfair but you can’t really get annoyed at people for not putting stock into that when you intentionally post in a way that prevents people from getting anything readable out of your posts

[EnderWiggin]

Meh. You're right. I just checked and I said "wolfiest in thread" and never explained that. I'm stop defending myself like a hypocrite and case wolf Wisdom.

[Syn]

What?

I don't see how my alignment relates in any way to any of those people or events

in a positive way, anyway

[EnderWiggin]

I don't see how my alignment relates in any way to any of those people or events

in a positive way, anyway

Rask and me agreeing you're town makes me feel more confident I'm right. =P

[Hally]

Meh. You're right. I just checked and I said "wolfiest in thread" and never explained that. I'm stop defending myself like a hypocrite and case wolf Wisdom.

i thought you town read wisdom?

[EnderWiggin]

i thought you town read wisdom?

?????????????

[EnderWiggin]

Oh my D1 read. Yeah Rask and Cuth being removed plus rereading Wisdom's ISO made me change my mind since D2 start.

[Vaimes]

basically what hally said. calling that vote on visor a "push" is excessively generous

you sussed him so hard, you voted twice, even

i'd rather watch you cook up now :V

bitchy sidenote, but the "hi hello it's shitposting central" to "nobody takes my reads seriously!" merry-go-round never stops spinning

[Hally]

i’m fine with wisdom dying if she doesn’t pick up her posting before EoD

would be an informative flip and waza/rask both sus’d her

prob a flip that needs to happen at this rate

[Cape90]

i’m fine with wisdom dying if she doesn’t pick up her posting before EoD

would be an informative flip and waza/rask both sus’d her

prob a flip that needs to happen at this rate

If Wisdom is v, what is so Informative about it?

[Cape90]

If Wisdom is v, what is so Informative about it?

Hally, you are saying this, but you are also telling me that this is a really easy thread state to wolf in.

You seem to largely agree with Wisdom in their defense of Taffy against me, do you have a read on what that means?

[Hally]

If Wisdom is v, what is so Informative about it?

well as i explained above, it would make ladd more likely a wolf imo

and it would tell we had w/v wagons so we have some basis for analyzing who ended up where

[Hally]

Hally, you are saying this, but you are also telling me that this is a really easy thread state to wolf in.

You seem to largely agree with Wisdom in their defense of Taffy against me, do you have a read on what that means?

i don’t understand either of these things

it is an easy threadstate to wolf in, i’m doing it right now (no but fr, i don’t get the contradiction you seem to be pointing out)

and i don’t get what you’re asking re: taffy

[Cape90]

Also if Taffy is wolf, me and Wisdom are masons and gonna curbstomp the last mafia

[Cape90]

i don’t understand either of these things

it is an easy threadstate to wolf in, i’m doing it right now (no but fr, i don’t get the contradiction you seem to be pointing out)

and i don’t get what you’re asking re: taffy

You gone on about how it's really easy to just SBPC in this thread state and yet I feel like Wisdom is a bit of a lower hanging fruit push then Taffy just because of how consensus it is.

I am asking you because both of you have spoke out in defense of Taffy, if you assume defending Taffy is a villagery thing to do, which if you are town, I would assume you think that's a pro town move. I am under the assumption that Wisdom's read on Taffy being similar to yours would look like a good look to you.

I don't know how much sense I am making because I'm kinda distracted lol

[EnderWiggin]

basically what hally said. calling that vote on visor a "push" is excessively generous

you sussed him so hard, you voted twice, even

i'd rather watch you cook up now :V

bitchy sidenote, but the "hi hello it's shitposting central" to "nobody takes my reads seriously!" merry-go-round never stops spinning

It's never "No one takes my read seriously". It's just being sussed after being first onto a wolf wagon feels bad. Much more about how it was towny of me rather than caring about how others took the read.

I didn't care even now that no one jumped onto or evaluated my read. Especially after rereading it and seeing I only posted one line on it and that was in my shitposty era.

[Hally]

You gone on about how it's really easy to just SBPC in this thread state and yet I feel like Wisdom is a bit of a lower hanging fruit push then Taffy just because of how consensus it is.

i still don’t get the contradiction, wisdom being a lhf consensus push reinforces my point

if ladd is a wolf in this gamestate, he can coast on pushing wisdom who is hardly posting and he barely has to do anything to lunch her

it’s super easy lol, nobody is really doing anything so the bar wolves have to clear to get by is super low

I am asking you because both of you have spoke out in defense of Taffy, if you assume defending Taffy is a villagery thing to do, which if you are town, I would assume you think that's a pro town move. I am under the assumption that Wisdom's read on Taffy being similar to yours would look like a good look to you.

I don't know how much sense I am making because I'm kinda distracted lol

it’s a fine look but wolves defend lhf villas all the time and it’s not like taffy is competing with wisdom for the lunch, nobody really wants to go taffy today except you afaict

[Syn]

vote: Taffy

[Dels]

2 wisdom - ender, ladd
2 taffy - cape, syn
1 maple - wisdom
1 ladd - hally
1 ender - vaimes

[Vaimes]

we're all gonna wait until eod to frantically start screaming opinions at each other huh

[Vaimes]

unvote
vote: wisdom

my hypothesis is that there were 0-1 active wolves at eod bc i think they could've gotten away with flashwagon shenanigans

granted, they were probably fully willing to let visor kick the bucket even if both were around, but i have a hard time accepting any scumteam would play like that when there are other options

[Hally]

i miss waza and rask

[ladd]

unvote
vote: wisdom

my hypothesis is that there were 0-1 active wolves at eod bc i think they could've gotten away with flashwagon shenanigans

granted, they were probably fully willing to let visor kick the bucket even if both were around, but i have a hard time accepting any scumteam would play like that when there are other options

I wasnt around at eod but my impression from reading back is that no sane wolf team would have flashwagoned away from visor

Until :45 with votes being 4-3 they could have gotten maybe wisdom lunched in the world they are a villager (assuming visor was around to snipe) but once rask made it5-2 it was all over

What were the other options for the wolfteam iyo?

[Wisdom]

i’m fine with wisdom dying if she doesn’t pick up her posting before EoD

would be an informative flip and waza/rask both sus’d her

prob a flip that needs to happen at this rate

Hmm
Maybe I've played too much IRL mafia lately
Because I read thread and I nod along but I don't really feel a need to post a ton? At this game state I won't change people's minds, the best thing I've got going is my treatment of Visor but if people still sus me I dunno what could change their minds.

Like, I think the game is solved.

Cape town Cuth town or exactly w/w with ladd

I think Vaimes treatment of both me and Visor is clearing for him

Syn oozes town imo. Don't know how to descibe it but I really can’t find anything off there. He's the most team player I've ever seen him, and compared to our last game where he was really unmotivated and antagonistic I can't see him be fakey here, I think he's just having fun.

Hally's posting is strong and it's easy to follow their reasoning and I think they pretty much always makes sense, it's their posts I read with the most attention to try to challenge my own reads.

Ender is hard to read imo but I think there's a genuine wim of solvyness in his posts. I liked his "Why would I treat Visor like this as wolf" and "Btw this was my previous mindset" posts, but if I'm wrong on the people below I'd say it's Ender.

Taffy has good points although I vibed with the narrowed focus argument.

Ladd is ladding. I think his treatment of me is off, I'm not used to see him this shrugging and I can easily see that be a wolf thing. My only point of doubt is that Cape is town reading him.

Maple is mostly just there. I found one post towny early d1 and then it's like he forgot to bring his soul to thread, similar to how Visor was. And he's in everyone's PoE despite not really being properly pushed, which in my book is usually wolf indicative (compare to me who's in everyone’s PoE but also always on the chopping block).

So, I'm not really worried, I think we got this even if you yeet me. I guess if Cape turns out to be a wolf we lose but I'm really not there atm.

[Wisdom]

Also, informative flips is a crap argument to yeet someone. Yeet wolves. If you yeet me, do so because you're confident I'm a wolf, don't hind behind "it's informative". Case why I'm a wolf so you'll risk to look bad when I'm flipped.

We win by killing wolves, not by killing townies for information.