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[ladd]

I'm weary of basically a specific line from a w!vaines here, but agree that this archetype of "experienced but new player" is tyyyypically >rand v. I think there's a sort of *drama* to how vaimes is posting which i can see as rubbing wolfy, but if you ignore that, the slot is basically ~fine. Pushable, yes, though if I weren't so lazy my push on vaimes would *largely* be to see how like... rask, syn, etc. react more than anything.

@Maple what was the specific line from vaimes?

[Maple]

@Maple what was the specific line from vaimes?

Don't recall the specifics. I made the observation that vaimes seemed like a flashy player and was making himself pushable with that energy. I think the line i was worried about was one where they were conscious of that fact and was using it to stay dynamic or something like that.

My engagement with this game being as low at it is evidently is not helping these thoughts stick in my brain lol

[Maple]

im pretty sure wagons were all village yesterday, and like the absolute lack of ability to cfd fucking blew but whatever, i think syn's eod yesterday was soooo bad and wish we were able to swap there before eod

im pretty frustrated. im concerned that some of my vilalge reads might be wrong, but i liked both cape and ender so far today, but really for selfish reasons. I thinki cape's SoD post is in the realm of prewritten villagery cause its like full of a lot of kinda silly goodies

i think ender is talking about last game in a pretty villagery way

im VERY worried about the possibility of playing out a lylo scenario with hally alive with me, but ye if syn's a hit and i get my role confirmed things look a lot less scary.

and so im conveniently left with a syn-taffy team, which i havent given my typical due diligence. i *want* to put in the work, and make a spreadsheet, and do points, and do all my usual shit but fuck man i cant get myself into this game and i hate that fact. im doomed to become a polarized noob...

[Syn]

im pretty sure wagons were all village yesterday, and like the absolute lack of ability to cfd fucking blew but whatever, i think syn's eod yesterday was soooo bad and wish we were able to swap there before eod

im pretty frustrated. im concerned that some of my vilalge reads might be wrong, but i liked both cape and ender so far today, but really for selfish reasons. I thinki cape's SoD post is in the realm of prewritten villagery cause its like full of a lot of kinda silly goodies

i think ender is talking about last game in a pretty villagery way

im VERY worried about the possibility of playing out a lylo scenario with hally alive with me, but ye if syn's a hit and i get my role confirmed things look a lot less scary.

and so im conveniently left with a syn-taffy team, which i havent given my typical due diligence. i *want* to put in the work, and make a spreadsheet, and do points, and do all my usual shit but fuck man i cant get myself into this game and i hate that fact. im doomed to become a polarized noob...

the wolfiest post you've made all game so far

[Syn]

since this is a safe space, I have to say this... I think ladd might be a villager

[Syn]

vote: Maple

[Syn]

I think Syn has had two wolfy EoDs but I also want to kill Ladd but Syn is voting Ladd.

Otoh there's no reason to believe it can't be both.

Actually I'm wrong Syn isn't voting Ladd at all

Vote: Ladd

I was talking about syn, not wisdom jn the answer to hally

I never v read wisdom except for early d1

Ohh I misread that second paragraph

I'm going to check that tomorrow though

but for now

Vote: Unvote

this whole thing comes across like fake spontaneous development

[Cape90]

Vote:Taffy

I was about to say Taffy had a good pop in, but then I think Syn has a good point #1170

[Hally]

im pretty sure wagons were all village yesterday, and like the absolute lack of ability to cfd fucking blew but whatever, i think syn's eod yesterday was soooo bad and wish we were able to swap there before eod

im pretty frustrated. im concerned that some of my vilalge reads might be wrong, but i liked both cape and ender so far today, but really for selfish reasons. I thinki cape's SoD post is in the realm of prewritten villagery cause its like full of a lot of kinda silly goodies

i think ender is talking about last game in a pretty villagery way

im VERY worried about the possibility of playing out a lylo scenario with hally alive with me, but ye if syn's a hit and i get my role confirmed things look a lot less scary.

and so im conveniently left with a syn-taffy team, which i havent given my typical due diligence. i *want* to put in the work, and make a spreadsheet, and do points, and do all my usual shit but fuck man i cant get myself into this game and i hate that fact. im doomed to become a polarized noob...

syn and taffy have been pushing on each other so not sure this works



unrelated

my read on the setup is that we have at least one more PR because waza and rask’s roles don’t feel like enough

it makes no sense to give wolves a vanillizer if they only have to worry about two one-shot roles (one of which is a reflexive roleblock that you can’t vanillize)

there has to another likely multi-shot PR that a vanillizer is meant to counter and manti’s role fits that

basically where i’m at is she’s not on the table unless anyone else wants to claim PR

[Syn]

I want to claim it. it wouldn't be true, but I want to

[Syn]

I will wait until other people comment on the mech

[Syn]

syn and taffy have been pushing on each other so not sure this works

it actually works really well if you don't look at the wolf games where I was busy and instead look at the wolf games where I wasn't, and cruised to victory doing exactly that with my partner(s) all game

that's not what's happening this time though pinky swear

uwu

[Totally not Taffy]

@Hally

Maple Noone else has claimed town PR so

Cuth I actually don't believe wolf!Ladd would try to clear a partner like this bc if one accidentally gets outed through mech or a mistake then they both die. So Cuth is cleared either way imo.

Hally The truth is I can still see you play exactly like this if you're a wolf, but I'm the only one and it's not like I can make a convincing case or anything.

Cape I haven't really given any thought to Cape since what I told Ladd here. His reasons for pushing me are believable. His SoD post didn't move me one way or the other. There's some reason for why he could be paired with Ladd but that's tomorrow's problem.

Ender I townread Ender for this D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 to wolfreading her for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.

Syn I've been saying Syn has had two bad EoDs which specifically is these three posts from EoD1 and D2 where he originally was voting me and joined the Maple wagon half-heartedly while still telling me I'm a wolf, joining the Ladd wagon briefly, then ending on Maple in the end for no reason, all the while posturing and daring ppl to vote him. I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her (the one thing he said about her earlier that day was actually ok-ing the wagon).

Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 and D2. I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.

And today he's pushing me so he'd better be a wolf or we're cooked imo.

[Totally not Taffy]

That is pretty much all you're going to get from me though, sorry

[Syn]

Taffy why did you go through all that effort linking posts when all you did was just write a report on what the posts linked were

[Syn]

Taffy why did you go through all that effort linking posts when all you did was just write a report on what the posts linked were

the one original thought ("I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her") does not parse either, at least FMPOV. if I was going to have a pet villager for the town read equity, surely I would have done more or been more vocal instead of be indignant in a couple posts and then move on. what is the wolf value in how I treated wisdom? no one would say "syn's behaviour around wisdom was really towny" and I haven't once pointed to someone's treatment of wisdom as a reason to wolf-read them, so if this was some wolf plan using TMI, I can't at all see what the intended result would be

[Totally not Taffy]

Taffy why did you go through all that effort linking posts when all you did was just write a report on what the posts linked were

Imagine if I didn't add the links then the inevitable follow-up question is just "can you show me posts for what you're talking about here"

but nice shading

[Syn]

Imagine if I didn't add the links then the inevitable follow-up question is just "can you show me posts for what you're talking about here"

but nice shading

reading the second half of my question would probably make it clear that I wasn't shading the links but rather the simple reporting of what happened

[Cape90]

@Hally

Maple Noone else has claimed town PR so

Cuth I actually don't believe wolf!Ladd would try to clear a partner like this bc if one accidentally gets outed through mech or a mistake then they both die. So Cuth is cleared either way imo.

Hally The truth is I can still see you play exactly like this if you're a wolf, but I'm the only one and it's not like I can make a convincing case or anything.

Cape I haven't really given any thought to Cape since what I told Ladd here. His reasons for pushing me are believable. His SoD post didn't move me one way or the other. There's some reason for why he could be paired with Ladd but that's tomorrow's problem.

Ender I townread Ender for this D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 to wolfreading her for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.

Syn I've been saying Syn has had two bad EoDs which specifically is these three posts from EoD1 and D2 where he originally was voting me and joined the Maple wagon half-heartedly while still telling me I'm a wolf, joining the Ladd wagon briefly, then ending on Maple in the end for no reason, all the while posturing and daring ppl to vote him. I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her (the one thing he said about her earlier that day was actually ok-ing the wagon).

Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 and D2. I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.

And today he's pushing me so he'd better be a wolf or we're cooked imo.

So today I tried pushing ladd over you and in my SoD post had the same general Syn and Ladd suspicions that you have... and it didn't move the needle for you?

[Totally not Taffy]

So today I tried pushing ladd over you and in my SoD post had the same general Syn and Ladd suspicions that you have... and it didn't move the needle for you?

That's really not how I read your post. To me it's more like you're stream-of-conscious detailing your struggle to decide between us

[Cape90]

@Hally

Maple Noone else has claimed town PR so

Cuth I actually don't believe wolf!Ladd would try to clear a partner like this bc if one accidentally gets outed through mech or a mistake then they both die. So Cuth is cleared either way imo.

Hally The truth is I can still see you play exactly like this if you're a wolf, but I'm the only one and it's not like I can make a convincing case or anything.

Cape I haven't really given any thought to Cape since what I told Ladd here. His reasons for pushing me are believable. His SoD post didn't move me one way or the other. There's some reason for why he could be paired with Ladd but that's tomorrow's problem.

Ender I townread Ender for this D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 to wolfreading her for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.

Syn I've been saying Syn has had two bad EoDs which specifically is these three posts from EoD1 and D2 where he originally was voting me and joined the Maple wagon half-heartedly while still telling me I'm a wolf, joining the Ladd wagon briefly, then ending on Maple in the end for no reason, all the while posturing and daring ppl to vote him. I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her (the one thing he said about her earlier that day was actually ok-ing the wagon).

Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 and D2. I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.

And today he's pushing me so he'd better be a wolf or we're cooked imo.

Also, exactly like what?

[Totally not Taffy]

Also, exactly like what?

Hally's overall posts, solvy and villagery. But can I pick out three that explain why? No.
And that's exactly the impression I had when she was wolfing, even with host tmi

I don't know what else to tell you

[Hally]

i really don’t know lmao

vote: ender

i’m just doing this

he isn’t villagery and his turnaround on wisdom was stinky poo poo

[Hally]

Ender I townread Ender for this D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 to wolfreading her for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.

the bolded is a wild read

parses as possibly villagery and not w/w with ender?

[ladd]

Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 and D2. I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.

Like this is more what I did (afk eod1, pushing wisdom d2, sheeping waza) but reading this paragraph I dont get why taffy thinks my post are wolfy

[Hally]

Like this is more what I did (afk eod1, pushing wisdom d2, sheeping waza) but reading this paragraph I dont get why taffy thinks my post are wolfy

this is a pattern across her posts i feel like

even with her wisdom/rask thing which was her most significant contribution so far i commented at the time that it seemed more like narrating what they did than explaining why it was wolfy

[ladd]

this is a pattern across her posts i feel like

even with her wisdom/rask thing which was her most significant contribution so far i commented at the time that it seemed more like narrating what they did than explaining why it was wolfy

yea now the 1 million dollar question - is it wolfy for taffy?


(i checked a villa game on here and they didnt do all this narrating...so maybe?)