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Originally Posted by Hally:
so barring weirdness your world is taffy/wisdom? which i’m not sure fits
or you think syn can be a wolf? doubtful imo
genuinely don’t get why you’re clearing ladd, rask’s role working has no bearing on ladd’s alignment
I want him to die in the night so barring weirdness your world is taffy/wisdom? which i’m not sure fits
or you think syn can be a wolf? doubtful imo
genuinely don’t get why you’re clearing ladd, rask’s role working has no bearing on ladd’s alignment
good morning
time to read three pages
time to read three pages
Originally Posted by ladd:
Idk how manti always rands the dumbest PRs lmao
Rask called it too
Vaimes eod seemed pretty uninformed to me, he was 1 of the top 2 waza villa reads and he has seemed to clearly care about who the wolves are. I can re read him but I dont see why he would not be a villager
i think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something Idk how manti always rands the dumbest PRs lmao
Rask called it too
Vaimes eod seemed pretty uninformed to me, he was 1 of the top 2 waza villa reads and he has seemed to clearly care about who the wolves are. I can re read him but I dont see why he would not be a villager
where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy:
I assume he walked into that chat and went "I'm VT" bc that's how I'd initially claim in a chat with an unconfirmed player regardless of my actual role
I can't see why this would be the thought and move before knowing anything. I don't understand this post at all reallyI assume he walked into that chat and went "I'm VT" bc that's how I'd initially claim in a chat with an unconfirmed player regardless of my actual role
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy:
What's your impression of Maple's EoD?
Asking bc Vaimes and Syn seem to think it was bad enough to vote her immediately today but not Ender or you so now I'm curious
I voted Maple because they're posting like they're at a funeral. not really that deep and subject to change on a whimWhat's your impression of Maple's EoD?
Asking bc Vaimes and Syn seem to think it was bad enough to vote her immediately today but not Ender or you so now I'm curious
Originally Posted by Hally:
wisdom, your PoE seems fine
mine would be this except with you instead of me
honestly don’t think taffy is a wolf though
Gut agree wrt Taffywisdom, your PoE seems fine
mine would be this except with you instead of me
honestly don’t think taffy is a wolf though
I thought the poem was ender's ngl
I still don't really think he's a wolf unless visor was willing to not only suicide himself but possibly take out a partner as well for no reason. his role kills whoever he's voting for if the wagons are tied, and he was voting ender
I still don't really think he's a wolf unless visor was willing to not only suicide himself but possibly take out a partner as well for no reason. his role kills whoever he's voting for if the wagons are tied, and he was voting ender
Originally Posted by Hally:
i think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something
where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov
what does "convincing" mean here? even though people yelled at me, i made it pretty clear why i needed to see visor flipi think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something
where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov
the fact that he flipped w was pure luck
and then we lost an extra villager in the night, and we have to rely on a third party to relay the check on cuth, which... i don't love. right now i think everyone has reasons to be townread so hard choices are coming
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
I mean that comment was also state of the game prior to Visor's flip. Once Visor flipped wolf tbh I was gonna lock Rask town.
One the other side, you could just vote a wolf with me, that'd be grand.
Well I did vote Visor with you day 1 because I didn't want Wisdom to go over because I had thought if Taffy is mafia, they spewed Wisdom as hard town. Also for the Vaimes reason of "Visor underwhelming"I mean that comment was also state of the game prior to Visor's flip. Once Visor flipped wolf tbh I was gonna lock Rask town.
One the other side, you could just vote a wolf with me, that'd be grand.
Originally Posted by Vaimes:
what does "convincing" mean here? even though people yelled at me, i made it pretty clear why i needed to see visor flip
the fact that he flipped w was pure luck
and then we lost an extra villager in the night, and we have to rely on a third party to relay the check on cuth, which... i don't love. right now i think everyone has reasons to be townread so hard choices are coming
i mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf what does "convincing" mean here? even though people yelled at me, i made it pretty clear why i needed to see visor flip
the fact that he flipped w was pure luck
and then we lost an extra villager in the night, and we have to rely on a third party to relay the check on cuth, which... i don't love. right now i think everyone has reasons to be townread so hard choices are coming
which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone
i wouldn’t worry about ladd lying about cuth being clear, they would have to be exactly w/w so not worth thinking about unless cuth is alive in lylo
though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy:
I don't think if you're a wolf who expects to flip that you leave a legacy post that correctly describes what your buddy is doing without voting him, that's not going to make him look good
You knowI don't think if you're a wolf who expects to flip that you leave a legacy post that correctly describes what your buddy is doing without voting him, that's not going to make him look good
That is a good point
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy:
I haven't read EoD yet I don't have time for it rn I was just going to go through this morning's posts quickly
and yes I've seen w/w wagons but they're not as common as w/v wagons
I'd never shoot the cw to a wolf I'd shoot someone who was on that cw or someone who had a particularly bad EoD
How much of the game have you read?I haven't read EoD yet I don't have time for it rn I was just going to go through this morning's posts quickly
and yes I've seen w/w wagons but they're not as common as w/v wagons
I'd never shoot the cw to a wolf I'd shoot someone who was on that cw or someone who had a particularly bad EoD
This is an aspect that worries me about you since it looked like from your day 1 logs it was more then you shared
Originally Posted by Hally:
i think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something
where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov
i think his responses to my grilling at eod look generally good given the resultsi think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something
where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov
on visor's role, he was pretty doa so unless wolves chose not to go for a snipe due to the wagon formations, i'd say he just sorta died without the opportunity to use it; i think in general wolves have a pretty strong d1 given visor was *sort of* a dv
also vanillaizor tells us... basically nothing, tho the inventor mode is kinda interesting i guess
Also Taffy, if you get misyeeted often as town like you are saying, why then assume the push day 1 from me and the Hally thing was in bad faith?
unvote
vote: ender
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you said:
vote: ender
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Originally Posted by Cape90:
yeah doesn't seem like ender killed them which was a thing i was hoping for to just clear Ender just because I don't really think he's done anything that towny beyond ig the Visor stuff (which i felt like he exaggerated a bit upon today but like whatever) but it's like... one of those thoughts that maybe Ender is just playing in a way that is clashing with how I play or what i expect or whatever as his play has been shroudded in game theory "mechanical stuff" beyond his gimmick... somehwat (?) (i was thinking his wall when he talked to Vaimes)
Well I want to see him expand upon where his head is at now that we have Rask's flip, he got what he wanted in terms of his flip and what that reveals about the game or whatever even though he hasn't told us beyond voting Wisdom today
rip me for not actually reading this post earlier. this is EXACTLY what was going through my head this very minute. and then i saw ender's answer and it didn't really do anything for meyeah doesn't seem like ender killed them which was a thing i was hoping for to just clear Ender just because I don't really think he's done anything that towny beyond ig the Visor stuff (which i felt like he exaggerated a bit upon today but like whatever) but it's like... one of those thoughts that maybe Ender is just playing in a way that is clashing with how I play or what i expect or whatever as his play has been shroudded in game theory "mechanical stuff" beyond his gimmick... somehwat (?) (i was thinking his wall when he talked to Vaimes)
Well I want to see him expand upon where his head is at now that we have Rask's flip, he got what he wanted in terms of his flip and what that reveals about the game or whatever even though he hasn't told us beyond voting Wisdom today
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
I mean that comment was also state of the game prior to Visor's flip. Once Visor flipped wolf tbh I was gonna lock Rask town.
One the other side, you could just vote a wolf with me, that'd be grand.
this is kind of dodging the original questionI mean that comment was also state of the game prior to Visor's flip. Once Visor flipped wolf tbh I was gonna lock Rask town.
One the other side, you could just vote a wolf with me, that'd be grand.
you said:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
I think there are a lot more sus people than Rask. But Rask exists in a place where their flip would tell me a bunch about the game state.
so pretend we're in that moment. you flip rask and he's v. what would that have told you at the time? a bunch of what? if you say "that visor's a wolf the end" i will slap you sillyI think there are a lot more sus people than Rask. But Rask exists in a place where their flip would tell me a bunch about the game state.
Originally Posted by Hally:
i mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf
which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone
i wouldn’t worry about ladd lying about cuth being clear, they would have to be exactly w/w so not worth thinking about unless cuth is alive in lylo
though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more
i mean, i also thought he had no interest in helping town solve/win the game. there's more than one way to wolfread someonei mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf
which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone
i wouldn’t worry about ladd lying about cuth being clear, they would have to be exactly w/w so not worth thinking about unless cuth is alive in lylo
though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more
just sucks that sometimes slots like that end up flipping v
Originally Posted by Hally:
i think people tend to put more focus on what roles wolves had than wolves do
in mashes it’s a thing with wolf kp but in a game like this i think a wolf team wants whoever is most town read and active to live
and visor’s role wasn’t really good idt, it was an odd night vanillizer right? not really worth saving when he was never living to N3 so it’s at best one shot N1 when you don’t even know anyone’s roles
I think this is fair tbhi think people tend to put more focus on what roles wolves had than wolves do
in mashes it’s a thing with wolf kp but in a game like this i think a wolf team wants whoever is most town read and active to live
and visor’s role wasn’t really good idt, it was an odd night vanillizer right? not really worth saving when he was never living to N3 so it’s at best one shot N1 when you don’t even know anyone’s roles
Originally Posted by Hally:
if someone can help me feel good about clearing vaimes it would do wonders
without rereading his posts i’m somewhere at he’s making good posts with good toan and activity that should make him a villager most times but not sure i can recall something that really sticks out as beyond the range of a competent wolf
@Cuthillius maybe you can help here
vote: ladd
Wha?if someone can help me feel good about clearing vaimes it would do wonders
without rereading his posts i’m somewhere at he’s making good posts with good toan and activity that should make him a villager most times but not sure i can recall something that really sticks out as beyond the range of a competent wolf
@Cuthillius maybe you can help here
vote: ladd
I missed something, why are you voting ladd?
Originally Posted by Cape90:
Wha?
I missed something, why are you voting ladd?
i hate italians Wha?
I missed something, why are you voting ladd?
the better question is why are you town reading him?
Originally Posted by Syn:
I thought the poem was ender's ngl
I still don't really think he's a wolf unless visor was willing to not only suicide himself but possibly take out a partner as well for no reason. his role kills whoever he's voting for if the wagons are tied, and he was voting ender
His vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/vI thought the poem was ender's ngl
I still don't really think he's a wolf unless visor was willing to not only suicide himself but possibly take out a partner as well for no reason. his role kills whoever he's voting for if the wagons are tied, and he was voting ender
Originally Posted by Hally:
i mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf
which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone
though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more
We were between cuth and wisdom, rask asked me who would I shoot. I said id go cuth to be a team player (since u were villareading wisdom and waza also wanted to see them post more). I didnt know it was a desperado and not a normal vig until after i answered or id have said to kill wisdom i think. Or maybe noti mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf
which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone
though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more
Originally Posted by Hally:
where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov
I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lolwhere’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov
its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy
I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team
Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them
Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other
I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple
Originally Posted by ladd:
His vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/v
I'm not sure that's true (that Ender would've never competed as a wagon) but you're right. I missed that he needed to be voting for one of the tied wagonsHis vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/v
I got nothing. sure. let's blow him up
Originally Posted by Hally:
i hate italians
the better question is why are you town reading him?
I like some of Ladd's thoughts on slots and I think they are looking everywhere and reading most of everything i hate italians
the better question is why are you town reading him?
I think their thoughts are fairly nuanced and towny I dunno. Like their posts look okay to me even if I disagree on things like Ladd's sus on you.
I find you townier then ladd, I'm kinda sheeping waza's read, I skimmed over ladd just now and I don't particularly see a reason to not trust his TR there. I also quite liked that one post ladd pinged Rask with day 1.
Uh ig mort of Ladd's posts today left little impression on me, but most of Ladd's posts have either null or town pings for me personally.
i'm...pretty much in agreement with what ladd is saying tbh
maybe not the finer details but at least that the scumteam is in maple/taffy/wisdom/ender
i'm just voting ender rn because the crossvote there was so different tone-wise from all his other posts
maybe not the finer details but at least that the scumteam is in maple/taffy/wisdom/ender
i'm just voting ender rn because the crossvote there was so different tone-wise from all his other posts
Originally Posted by ladd:
His vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/v
We were between cuth and wisdom, rask asked me who would I shoot. I said id go cuth to be a team player (since u were villareading wisdom and waza also wanted to see them post more). I didnt know it was a desperado and not a normal vig until after i answered or id have said to kill wisdom i think. Or maybe not
I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lol
its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy
I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team
Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them
Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other
I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple
IIRC, you said today that one of me/Taffy contains a wolf.His vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/v
We were between cuth and wisdom, rask asked me who would I shoot. I said id go cuth to be a team player (since u were villareading wisdom and waza also wanted to see them post more). I didnt know it was a desperado and not a normal vig until after i answered or id have said to kill wisdom i think. Or maybe not
I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lol
its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy
I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team
Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them
Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other
I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple
Do you actually believe this or are you just throwing stuff out there? Did you even say this? I thought you said this
Originally Posted by Cape90:
IIRC, you said today that one of me/Taffy contains a wolf.
Do you actually believe this or are you just throwing stuff out there? Did you even say this? I thought you said this
I said you and taffy were back in the PoE for me/rask overnight (you were more a backup but taffy was back in the PoE)IIRC, you said today that one of me/Taffy contains a wolf.
Do you actually believe this or are you just throwing stuff out there? Did you even say this? I thought you said this
but I dont really think you are a wolf at all now
taffy could still be one, but I think it's wisdom over them
vote:wisdom
Originally Posted by ladd:
I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lol
its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy
I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team
Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them
Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other
I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple
sorry, i didn’t mean that like that “wtf why haven’t you nailed the exact team yet”I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lol
its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy
I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team
Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them
Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other
I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple
more so that fypov unless it’s the weird world where ender is a wolf it has to be manti + 1 of taffy/wisdom
and i agree that it doesn’t really feel like it’s taffy, so it’s just manti/wisdom? unless it’s ender
that works as well as anything i guess, though it feels lame
wisdom’s posts aren’t really doing anything for me today admittedly but if she’s a villager i think it’s more likely you’re a wolf than taffy, or it’s something dumb like ender/manti
i’m not sure if i’m being silly on taffy though, i couldn’t even really explain why i don’t think she’s a wolf and cape’s points seem broadly reasonable yet when i read taffy’s posts i’m like “nah”
i know you have more experience there than me
Originally Posted by Cape90:
I like some of Ladd's thoughts on slots and I think they are looking everywhere and reading most of everything
I think their thoughts are fairly nuanced and towny I dunno. Like their posts look okay to me even if I disagree on things like Ladd's sus on you.
I find you townier then ladd, I'm kinda sheeping waza's read, I skimmed over ladd just now and I don't particularly see a reason to not trust his TR there. I also quite liked that one post ladd pinged Rask with day 1.
Uh ig mort of Ladd's posts today left little impression on me, but most of Ladd's posts have either null or town pings for me personally.
alright, this is fair enough and i don’t really disagree per se, but i also think that ladd could wolf like this in his sleep I like some of Ladd's thoughts on slots and I think they are looking everywhere and reading most of everything
I think their thoughts are fairly nuanced and towny I dunno. Like their posts look okay to me even if I disagree on things like Ladd's sus on you.
I find you townier then ladd, I'm kinda sheeping waza's read, I skimmed over ladd just now and I don't particularly see a reason to not trust his TR there. I also quite liked that one post ladd pinged Rask with day 1.
Uh ig mort of Ladd's posts today left little impression on me, but most of Ladd's posts have either null or town pings for me personally.
this is a super easy game to wolf in imo, it’s really slow and everyone’s solve is basically sbpc so it’s easy to coast on simply correctly clearing the active villagers and mislunching the slankier ones that will probably never be able to post themselves clear
my read on ladd is essentially the same as his read on me D1 hehe, i do think he is right that we approach things really similarly so i’ve been thinking about how i would wolf in this game and i don’t think i would really do anything differently than he’s been doing
he is really good at faking nuanced thoughts and having good toan so i think you basically have to read him on whether his pushes seem agenda’d
and we make reads similarly so i can usually follow his pushes and find them convincing when he’s a villager, whereas here i thought his reasons for pushing wisdom D1 were pretty weak and seemed like he was stretching to wolf read her for what seemed like pretty normal wisdom posts
but it’s also totally possible she’s a wolf or he’s a villager who was forcing a read a bit because there wasn’t much to go on D1
i do kinda think visor would’ve had more juice had he randed wolf with ladd though, he’d enjoy that
but this is a dicey read and it’s totally possible visor flat out wasn’t feeling it regardless
but this is a dicey read and it’s totally possible visor flat out wasn’t feeling it regardless
Originally Posted by Vaimes:
so pretend we're in that moment. you flip rask and he's v. what would that have told you at the time? a bunch of what? if you say "that visor's a wolf the end" i will slap you silly
so pretend we're in that moment. you flip rask and he's v. what would that have told you at the time? a bunch of what? if you say "that visor's a wolf the end" i will slap you silly
Nah Rask state tells me nothing about Visor. I think Rask green makes me even more sus of Wisdom for the interaction/read there. Which is why I'm pushing Wisdom atm.
I even straight up said this on D1 but I guess people didn't read that.
I also think it makes Syn very likely town. I already thought this but it reinforces it.
I thought it would make Cuth more sus but that's irrelevant for now.
And at the time I was like "If Rask is green then Ladd probably green just from the way posted at/around each other." but idk how much I believe in that read anymore.
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