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[Vaimes]

My bad, didn't think to look at his postcount.

The ISO tip is helpful, thanks.
@waza why assume my vote is serious?

[waza]

My bad, didn't think to look at his postcount.

The ISO tip is helpful, thanks.
@waza why assume my vote is serious?

Hmmm not sure I have an answer

If I had to guess it’s because I was in a serious headspace at the time and wanted something to happen so I was reading your post from a more serious mindset

And also because it happened right after Syn had made some posts so I naturally assumed there was something in his posts you didn’t like. Which ties into what I found scummy about you (under the assumption your vote was serious). Because you voted him and then asked him a question instead of the other way around which is a more natural progression

[Vaimes]

I asked Syn a question?

[Cape90]

Hmmm not sure I have an answer

If I had to guess it’s because I was in a serious headspace at the time and wanted something to happen so I was reading your post from a more serious mindset

And also because it happened right after Syn had made some posts so I naturally assumed there was something in his posts you didn’t like. Which ties into what I found scummy about you (under the assumption your vote was serious). Because you voted him and then asked him a question instead of the other way around which is a more natural progression

Vaimes never asked Syn a question, they asked you a question.

Even if Vaimes' vote was serious, I don't see how that would be scummy, I mean, a post before Vaimes voted Syn, Syn was saying that visor was lock town for a post I would consider NAI, so from that stand point, I don't really see the issue with Vaimes' vote there even from a serious perspective

[waza]

Vaimes never asked Syn a question, they asked you a question.

Even if Vaimes' vote was serious, I don't see how that would be scummy, I mean, a post before Vaimes voted Syn, Syn was saying that visor was lock town for a post I would consider NAI, so from that stand point, I don't really see the issue with Vaimes' vote there even from a serious perspective

Oh yeah you’re right I misremembered how it played out in my head

They voted but then commented on something syn Said, but they did it in a way that didn’t feel like someone was speaking to their scumread (understandable if it was purely an rvs vote)

And then they asked a question but the question pinged me so I probs just merged the two in my head when I was answering the question

[Vaimes]

Hmmm not sure I have an answer

If I had to guess it’s because I was in a serious headspace at the time and wanted something to happen so I was reading your post from a more serious mindset

And also because it happened right after Syn had made some posts so I naturally assumed there was something in his posts you didn’t like. Which ties into what I found scummy about you (under the assumption your vote was serious). Because you voted him and then asked him a question instead of the other way around which is a more natural progression

You're making a lot of assumptions there, friend. Why not just ask me? Or like. Lay out the thought process that leads you to your opinions.

[waza]

You're making a lot of assumptions there, friend. Why not just ask me? Or like. Lay out the thought process that leads you to your opinions.

Because there wasn’t much for me to ask you there, regardless of what I asked I don’t think your answer would change much regardless of your alignment and if your vote was actually serious it would give you a chance to pass it off as one that wasn’t if I Just asked you on it

[Vaimes]

?

Ok, so your claim is that because you find/found me scummy, there's no point in asking me "Why did you vote Syn?" because...you already decided I'm scummy and that taints any answer I could give. Or something. Which is silly, because if we all did that then there would be no game. Just people throwing out gutreads and voting.

Making people commit to words is a good thing. Projecting your own thoughts/feelings onto someone else and reading them through that filter it is a bad thing.

[waza]

?

Ok, so your claim is that because you find/found me scummy, there's no point in asking me "Why did you vote Syn?" because...you already decided I'm scummy and that taints any answer I could give. Or something. Which is silly, because if we all did that then there would be no game. Just people throwing out gutreads and voting.

Making people commit to words is a good thing. Projecting your own thoughts/feelings onto someone else and reading them through that filter it is a bad thing.

Pretty much yeah

It’s super early into the game, I don’t have to be thorough at that point and explore every angle. Even if my assumption is wrong I have plenty of time to change my mind, so there’s no harm in throwing out what I said and seeing how you or others react. Case in point is this series of events led to us having this convo which lead me to changing my read on you anyways without having me to have probe you earlier

And if im right on u now then I got to the right conclusion regardless

[Vaimes]

my god, this site takes FOREVER to load a new page

Pretty much yeah

It’s super early into the game, I don’t have to be thorough at that point and explore every angle. Even if my assumption is wrong I have plenty of time to change my mind, so there’s no harm in throwing out what I said and seeing how you or others react. Case in point is this series of events led to us having this convo which lead me to changing my read on you anyways without having me to have probe you earlier

And if im right on u now then I got to the right conclusion regardless

Meh? For some reason I feel like this doesn't jive with wanting serious things to happen.

But I like your posts outside of that, sooo...

I'm sorry to inform you I am a spammer, but it comes from a place of love and not of wanting to drown the thread in nonsense.

[Wisdom]

Gonna be a bit until I join, just wanna say hi and hype!

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Waza

We can't be having consensus town in this town. How dare you be towny.

[EnderWiggin]

Vaimes is also in danger of reaching "Too towny". Please keep a watch out for this dangerous individual.

[Raskolnikov]

MOstly Syn posting "thanks", "handshake" to Cape, or "hi" (with four more i, go figure) to Cuth.


Cape posting tips about ISOing here lol. I am not sure I like how he inserted himself in the convo between Vaimes and you either (post #26), but that's mostly a vibe rn.

[Raskolnikov]

and sup, happy to play with u too (haha)

[waza]

MOstly Syn posting "thanks", "handshake" to Cape, or "hi" (with four more i, go figure) to Cuth.


Cape posting tips about ISOing here lol. I am not sure I like how he inserted himself in the convo between Vaimes and you either (post #26), but that's mostly a vibe rn.

ahhh fair haha im not sure if i tr this answer or sr it

kinda thought your previous post was scummy because i wasnt seeing the pocket angle you mentioned at first, and in my head i was waiting for a wolf to eventually call me and vaimes exchange as v/v (villas can too! but wolves like to latch onto that stuff sometimes as well)

BUT im a sucker for you being pinged by the extra i's in Hi lol, its something ive usually noticed as a villa too but i cant remember ever making that type of read as a wolf. I do agree the extra I's feel a bit weird lol, and maybe syn not having any thoughts on two of his scumreads after they had a big exchange with each other is also a little odd ig. BUT (again) i kinda thought him calling visor lock town for a shitpost was kinda towny since i think wolves tend to avoid making those kinda reads (if it was a serious read, if this is another case of me reading into an rvs post that meant nothing then ignore it)

[Cape90]

MOstly Syn posting "thanks", "handshake" to Cape, or "hi" (with four more i, go figure) to Cuth.


Cape posting tips about ISOing here lol. I am not sure I like how he inserted himself in the convo between Vaimes and you either (post #26), but that's mostly a vibe rn.

Look, the ISO thing may be silly, but I use it for future days often and think it's helpful to bring up to players unfamiliar with the site since it's so obscure. I find that waza is a pretty serious mafia player generally, so he might want to know for future reference, like I would have wanted for myself. My whole thing is we have to work together if we are town and I don't care if that includes "pocketing" or "coaching" or whatever.

Also I budded in to the convo between Vaimes and waza to solve the slots, also because I was there and bored, nothing else was going on. I thought waza misrepresenting something that was pretty obvious was strange and possibly pushing the Vaimes vote thing in bad faith so I wanted to try to see where waza was coming from with said post towards Vaimes.

The Syn stuff got a good laugh out of me though, you are funny

[Cape90]

Vote: Totally not Taffy

Here is my lukewarm take

I will probably switch before EoD, but Taffy's wall post they posted twice I didn't really like

[Cape90]

Like idk

It looks like Taffy is setting up narratives vs solving the game naturally to me as like a TLDR of how I feel

Anyways later

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Totally not Taffy

Here is my lukewarm take

I will probably switch before EoD, but Taffy's wall post they posted twice I didn't really like

This is one of the posts that made me change my mind on Cape.

Like maybe I'm wrong about it but when Visor is lead wagon, jumping on to start a wagon on a different partner doesn't feel like the w/w/w action.

[Gemma]

flavor

The guests were waiting for the poet to make his entrance. They were waiting for him to pick a fight. Or to defecate in the middle of the living room, on a Turkish carpet like the threadbare carpet from the Thousand and One Nights, a battered carpet that sometimes functioned as a mirror, reflecting all of us from below. I mean: it turned into a mirror at the command of our spasms. Neurochemical spasms. When the poet showed up, though, nothing happened.

Vaimes died! He was:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You are Vanilla.

You are Town.

You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

not flavor

Oh, Rask, desperado power
My Rask, aficionado
I see you dead with a sad glower
Missing, striking a mighty blow

Our top town, dead confirming thee
Cuthalion, postless and free
Maybe next time you have the gun
Choose someone who wants to have fun

[Cape90]

will say I didn't make it clear why I changed my mind on Taffy "spewing" Visor as town, BUT read #659 and all the posts that I push Taffy with here. I started getting paranoid about it when Taffy just... wasn't on Visor, which is a thing I didn't notice day 1, therefore making the post less spew-y to me. Call it moving the goal post or whatever, but I also just wasn't reading carefully by EOD of day 1 because I was busy, as I was EOD 2 (I also had a sore throat and a really annoying headache I couldn't do anything about at EOD 2 but that's not important i am rambling).

So why did I vote Wisdom there yesterday?
1. Sanity check, I freaking knew Wisdom was being towny smh. I mean, if Wisdom flipped mafia there, Taffy would just be clear in my eyes.
2. If Maple is town with supposedly "unlimited despo shots" then either Maple dies tonight or they kill some mafia. And if nothing happens and Manti does nothing, I have serious questions unless mech is misunderstood (I didn't follow all that carefully im gonna be honest). Also Maple just looked towny EOD beyond how I felt Maple was being weird about thier backup claim initially.

I find it odd that ladd seemed set on solving Wisdom yesterday when #1051 is a post that exists on Wisdom. There is something that felt a bit softball-y about ladd looking back in general, like look at #745 on ladd's read of me and Taffy, ladd's read on Taffy seemed to have changed with #1039, so I am curious where the re-evaluated shift came from, especially when I feel like that has been the case for Taffy this entire game... And ladd is just now calling it towny. I think ladd's read on me has been waffle-y and they have been holding onto the whole waza townreading me thing #646.
#720 I must say is very interesting foreshadowing for Manti... and I wonder if it means anything, like ladd knew that Maple was planning on claiming PR.

Yesterday, I felt that Syn was really weird around the wagons, and it makes me think about if Syn is wolf, what would it mean for Taffy? as Syn's vote there stood out #773. I mean with #813 the votes on Taffy and Maple, the votes on both of them by EOD make sense... but I almost feel like they make too much sense. I think mafia are more likely to keep their story straight vs villagers (wow thats me!). Syn has been vaguely openwolfing at certain spots of the game #758 and too many other points of the game... #665 could be uninformed maybe. Day 1 Syn voting ladd to supposedly save Wisdom over Visor is a very... interesting look to say the least #400, I mean Syn said #489 but it's very word-salady, idk what it means.

Moderately confident. I haven't rechecked her wolf games so I'm not going to project an insane amount of confidence on it.

But it's a mix of:

1. The Cape point about Taffy maybe spewing Visor town has an inverse polarity to it.

2. The EOD1 review felt like someone actually trying to parse out who is wolf from D1.

3. It doesn't feel like Taffy is trying to elevate herself in the status quo. In fact she's actively pushed against it a few times already, which doesn't at all feel like a wolf play in a state where Visor got tipped D1.

I don't really see where point 2 is coming from. I mean I kinda liked the Wisdom comments that Taffy made. The ladd claiming VT thing Taffy seemed a bit stuck on was strange. I think overall, I like Taffy's day 2 better than 1 but also feel like I don't have that much to say on it, I mean ig there is that issue of Taffy's sudden v read on Wisdom feeling a bit weird just because there didn't seem to be either paranoia shown and only a little of trying to convince people it isn't Wisdom... with like 1 comment.

I kinda think Ender could be mafia for OMGUS reasons. I think there is decent partner equity with Syn and with ladd. There is something that doesn't feel right about #754, like it doesn't really register to me as towny frustration.

[Hally]

ngl i was still tinfoiling vaimes so i’m glad he died lol

my first thought is vaimes dying over me means i should look at syn again but meh

gonna skim his posts in a bit to see if we had other points of divergence

[Gemma]

flavor

I turned around slowly. I knew it. Jan was watching me from the window. I waved my arms in the air. Jan shouted something unintelligible and leaned farther out. I jumped. Jan responded by moving his head back to front and then in circles, faster and faster. I was afraid that he would throw himself out the window. I started to laugh. The passersby stared at me, and then they looked up and saw Jan, who was lifting his leg, pretending to kick a cloud. He’s my friend, I said. We just moved here a few days ago. He’s wishing me luck. I’m on my way out to look for work. Oh, well, that’s nice, what a good friend, someone said, and walked on, smiling.

votal

maple - syn

[Vaimes]

Let's try something else, now that we've righted a couple of wrongs, and then I gotta go to bed.

Do you still think I'm scummy? Why or why not?
How do you feel about Syn? He thinks one and only one of us is a wolf. Do you care why?
Why do you think Cape is towny?
Are you familiar with anyone on this playerlist?

[waza]

Let's try something else, now that we've righted a couple of wrongs, and then I gotta go to bed.

Do you still think I'm scummy? Why or why not?
How do you feel about Syn? He thinks one and only one of us is a wolf. Do you care why?
Why do you think Cape is towny?
Are you familiar with anyone on this playerlist?

I think ur obv town

My answers to you were sloppy and I think you had plenty of chances to just not follow through with the approach you have had with me and just call me scummy, but instead you have given me a lot of good faith and it feels like you’re really trying to solve and understand me better here

[waza]

No I don’t care about syns read on us

Cape is also obv v but I cbf explaining because a lot of it is stuff you won’t find convincing because it relies on me just knowing him well and reading him well imo

I know most of this PL