Bolañafia

[Hally]

ngl i was still tinfoiling vaimes so i’m glad he died lol

my first thought is vaimes dying over me means i should look at syn again but meh

gonna skim his posts in a bit to see if we had other points of divergence

[Maple]

Okay so I lied about only being able to target the yeet, I can also target corpses. I'm allowed to select someone to chat up today uwu

[Hally]

during the night i was thinking we probably wrote off ender too easily for what ultimately would be not that impressive D1 cross-distancing between two PoE’d wolves

i don’t really like his turnaround on wisdom D2, kinda feel like he dropped his D1 town read too easily and his reasons for wolf reading her felt pretty unconvincing


also i’m really kicking myself for not continuing to defend wisdom D2

i was trying to be a team player because everyone had her PoE’d and i didn’t feel like i could confidently go against that based on her D2 output and didn’t have a different wolf read i felt good about, but tbh she never seemed wolfy to me and i’m still confused how she went from being mostly villa read to bottom of the PoE so fast

[Maple]

Cuth living is interesting wother a reads thing or some kinda dodge i suppose. I maintain I don't think it's ladd.

I think syn's EoD is pretty bad. Seeming like you *really* dont care during such a chaotic eod when wagons appear to likely be v/v/v is wolfy af

Gonna get into the meat of stuff a bit later tho

[Syn]

vote: Maple

[Syn]

Yesterday, I felt that Syn was really weird around the wagons, and it makes me think about if Syn is wolf, what would it mean for Taffy? as Syn's vote there stood out #773. I mean with #813 the votes on Taffy and Maple, the votes on both of them by EOD make sense... but I almost feel like they make too much sense. I think mafia are more likely to keep their story straight vs villagers (wow thats me!). Syn has been vaguely openwolfing at certain spots of the game #758 and too many other points of the game... #665 could be uninformed maybe. Day 1 Syn voting ladd to supposedly save Wisdom over Visor is a very... interesting look to say the least #400, I mean Syn said #489 but it's very word-salady, idk what it means.

good case

[Syn]

Cuth living is interesting wother a reads thing or some kinda dodge i suppose.

there is no reason for cuth to be NKed right now. they're too inactive to be a true threat now and only need to be dead in fx

[Syn]

don't really see what's so bad about encouraging a change from stagnant wagons at eod, especially given that the final result was everyone shrugging their shoulders and going back to said stagnant wagon, which was a town flip that gave us nothing

[Syn]

actually maple self-resolves tonight

vote: unvote

[Syn]

actually maple self-resolves tonight

vote: unvote

maple also doesn't get to make a neighbourhood tonight, so she's lying about that. she just gets the vig shot immediately

[Syn]

rask's role only allows neighbourhood creation d1 and d2, not d3. on n3, it's a free gun that's either desperado or vengeful

[Syn]

rask's role only allows neighbourhood creation d1 and d2, not d3. on n3, it's a free gun that's either desperado or vengeful

do we trust that a role thief is town aligned in this setup? what's stopping w!maple from giving herself a vengeful shot?

I think we need to kill a wolf today

[Hally]

i’m probably being unfair but if i ignore the cuth clear, it’s like…. so easy for me to confbias myself into a wolf read on ladd lmfao

i just don’t like his wisdom push at all? and this isn’t simply hindsight now that she flipped v, i thought that on D1 too. his reasons were just bad imo. very level 0 stuff that i kinda struggle to believe he would buy. maybe i’ll go back and quote what i mean but it felt like he was looking for reasons to call her a wolf, and then D2 he didn’t seem interested in continuing to solve her.

also maybe this is self-centered but i don’t get why he didn’t care about me defending wisdom. i feel like ladd as a villager is very collaborative and takes the reads of other strong players into account but he never seemed curious why i didn’t agree with his push. maybe it’s unfair to expect that because i did say i was fine with wisdom dying D2 and he wasn’t itt D1 when i started defending her. but i dunno, i feel like if i could find wisdom he should have been able to or at least had more reservations than he did.

even as i say all that, i still don’t get why he would clear cuth as a wolf lol. my thought overnight was he wouldn’t do it unless his teammate was someone deep like vaimes (lol) and he wasn’t concerned that taking cuth out of the PoE would endanger them. it seems so counterintuitive otherwise, like what’s the point? the game is so easy for him if he doesn’t saying anything.

i don’t know lol

[Hally]

do we trust that a role thief is town aligned in this setup? what's stopping w!maple from giving herself a vengeful shot?

I think we need to kill a wolf today

i mean, if manti is a wolf, she’s lying about her role and never backed up anyone

if she’s a wolf she’s claiming she has kp tonight so we let her live, her role is totally unverified

what is going to happen is she’s going to choose the desperado shot and post itt before EoD today who she’s shooting so we know, and then if she doesn’t die or kill somebody tonight we turbo her tomorrow

but realistically, she’s probably a wolf because i don’t think that gemma would include a role that can back up rask’s role, seems too OP

[Maple]

The killing portion of the role has already been used and was 1shot, but im allowed to use the non-killing part of it

[Maple]

Now, perhaps *claiming* i had kp might be a good idea, or claiming that i'd be allowed to be vengeful tonight, but i figured any lying whatsoever would get me killed again

in either case, i'll be hooding someone ~randomly so as to avoid the wolves potentially sniping who i pick

[Syn]

The killing portion of the role has already been used and was 1shot, but im allowed to use the non-killing part of it

this logic does not hold up at all. if you're beholden to the rules of the one-shot vig, you're beholden to the rules of the neighbourizer

[Syn]

why would the wolves care about who you neighbourize

[Hally]

The killing portion of the role has already been used and was 1shot, but im allowed to use the non-killing part of it

rask’s role says the neighborizer deactivates once he gets the shot

so you’re saying you can’t use one spent aspect of his role but you can use the other spent aspect?

and if you don’t make a chat with someone tonight we should consider you outed?

[Hally]

honestly this is why i kinda wanted to kill manti yesterday and be done with it

cuz every day she is alive will end up being this, torturing us over whether we should believe her increasingly implausible claim

o honestly don’t really wanna deal with it lol

[Syn]

i’m probably being unfair but if i ignore the cuth clear, it’s like…. so easy for me to confbias myself into a wolf read on ladd lmfao

i just don’t like his wisdom push at all? and this isn’t simply hindsight now that she flipped v, i thought that on D1 too. his reasons were just bad imo. very level 0 stuff that i kinda struggle to believe he would buy. maybe i’ll go back and quote what i mean but it felt like he was looking for reasons to call her a wolf, and then D2 he didn’t seem interested in continuing to solve her.

also maybe this is self-centered but i don’t get why he didn’t care about me defending wisdom. i feel like ladd as a villager is very collaborative and takes the reads of other strong players into account but he never seemed curious why i didn’t agree with his push. maybe it’s unfair to expect that because i did say i was fine with wisdom dying D2 and he wasn’t itt D1 when i started defending her. but i dunno, i feel like if i could find wisdom he should have been able to or at least had more reservations than he did.

even as i say all that, i still don’t get why he would clear cuth as a wolf lol. my thought overnight was he wouldn’t do it unless his teammate was someone deep like vaimes (lol) and he wasn’t concerned that taking cuth out of the PoE would endanger them. it seems so counterintuitive otherwise, like what’s the point? the game is so easy for him if he doesn’t saying anything.

i don’t know lol

overall I'd say outing the clear has been to ladd's advantage, more than being silent would have been. almost everything against him since then has had the caveat of "he did clear cuth tho" attached to it. on d1 ladd was frequently brought up as wolf

[Maple]

are you saying you think, from a balance and design standpoint, our host is treating a killing action the same as a communications action?

and sure, if there's no one to vouch for me tomorrow, that'll fucking suck, but hopefully we hit a wolf today so it wont by mylo, at least!

[Maple]

honestly this is why i kinda wanted to kill manti yesterday and be done with it

cuz every day she is alive will end up being this, torturing us over whether we should believe her increasingly implausible claim

o honestly don’t really wanna deal with it lol

look its not *my* fault i keep randing the implausible roles

in every game i make one of these fucked up claims they turn out to be real!!! its not even my fault atp!!!!

[Hally]

overall I'd say outing the clear has been to ladd's advantage, more than being silent would have been. almost everything against him since then has had the caveat of "he did clear cuth tho" attached to it. on d1 ladd was frequently brought up as wolf

i mean, maybe but if he doesn’t do that i’m pretty sure we would have lunched cuth and wisdom over him still?

[Maple]

i mean, maybe but if he doesn’t do that i’m pretty sure we would have lunched cuth and wisdom over him still?

ye given numbers and the fact that we're a 13er a single clear is pretty big

the worrisome world would be if they're w/w, basically

regardless of alignment, ladd being in the hood is presumably real, though

[Syn]

are you saying you think, from a balance and design standpoint, our host is treating a killing action the same as a communications action?

I generally err toward believing there aren't secret mechanisms at play when abilities flip upon death. generally stands to reason that a time-based or limited-use ability would follow its own rules. thieves/backups getting a recharge is feasible, only recharging a specific thing from a specific role seems less so

[Hally]

i mean, maybe but if he doesn’t do that i’m pretty sure we would have lunched cuth and wisdom over him still?

also if he’s wolves with maple or something, taking cuth out of the PoE just accelerates how fast we kill his teammate even if he ends up looking better

[Hally]

it would be funny if manti constantly yapping about ladd getting NK’d and hard defending him was a prolonged exercise in open wolfing as ladd’s teammate

def possible lol

[Hally]

tbh i’m confused why ladd doesn’t kill me if he’s a wolf though

i feel like he would take the opportunity seeing as i’ve been much more wary of him than vaimes ever was

[Hally]

it’s so rude to leave me alive to embarrass myself after i lunched a wolf D1