Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[Lissa]

ladd def feels a bit overly surface level

also considering arctic, visor stuff and reaction to taffy claim are both wolfy

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[waza]

Unvote:annika

[Sunbae]

i really dont think its ladd or lissa friendos

[waza]

Vote:rask

[EnderWiggin]

i forgor your arctic read but i have lissa as town

Arctic read is about shading and their take on me being really uncharitable and them using it to shade me before admitting it was uncharitable "I knew it was uncharitable" when I called it out.

Lissa thing was because their "Ooops all townreads" feels kinda bad after all the reread work but I'm starting to not believe in this one anyway anymore.

[annika]

I'd vote any of taffy/maple/ladd/rask of these

ye we need to consolidate lol

I'm voting Maple or Rask today I think, lmk if you have a preference. im kinda excited because ben voted maple and I started thinking ben was town LOL so that makes me feel good about it

I could go Rask too, kind of a copout and not as exciting to me

lmk if you have a preference

[EnderWiggin]

knowing/confirming existence of a mech as a claimed pr isn't mod comms and potentially saves other prs from having to heavily soft to get people off taffy but bleg fine whatever. Won't argue with personal moral code.

Unvote: ladd
@annika ik u want to vote maple. is that p much it for where you'd go for today or what?
@Arctic outside of taffy what are you thinking? @Lissa @EnderWiggin if yall had to put down your vote rn whatcha thinkin

one post left, saving for vote

I have a vote down and I feel like I've clearly stated who I'd be willing to vote.

[Sunbae]

Arctic read is about shading and their take on me being really uncharitable and them using it to shade me before admitting it was uncharitable "I knew it was uncharitable" when I called it out.

Lissa thing was because their "Ooops all townreads" feels kinda bad after all the reread work but I'm starting to not believe in this one anyway anymore.

oh no, i have arctic in my wolf pile. the long post of "removing arctic" was arctic asked me if arctic/dya were v/v where would i go. i think oops all townreads early is perfectly fine for lissa fwiw

[EnderWiggin]

I could consolidate on Maple if necessary but I definitely feel much stronger about Arctic.

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 639

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
2	Maple	annika (48), nebjiamn (52)
2	Arctic	EnderWiggin (51), Totally not Taffy (35)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
2	annika	Lissa (46), Maple (48)
1	EnderWiggin	Visor (49)
1	Raskolnikov	waza (54)
1	Totally not Taffy	ladd (34)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (43)
1	ladd	didistetter (49)
2	Not Voting	Arctic (46), Raskolnikov (0)

Deadline in 13 minutes.

[Lissa]

maple could def be a wolf but i don't want to go there today

i feel like i really SHOULD find her in not too much time if she is a villa

and i'd feel bad if i killed her d1 in her first village game in however long

vote: arctic

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[Arctic]

I could consolidate on Maple if necessary but I definitely feel much stronger about Arctic.

Based on 1 post yeah

I can only assume ignorance rather than malice for so long ngl

[EnderWiggin]

Based on 1 post yeah

I can only assume ignorance rather than malice for so long ngl

Assume malice :3 I definitely have malice rn

[waza]

unvote:arctic

[EnderWiggin]

I mean one string of posts is more accurate.

But also like your other takes have not moved my needle and it feels like you care more about defending your position there than trying to engage me in any sort of good faith.

[Arctic]

vote: Totally not Taffy

ok then I choose to die voting the wolf who made an obviously fake claim which you guys decided to reward

[waza]

Vote:taffy

[Visor]

vote: taffy

[annika]

I could consolidate on Maple if necessary but I definitely feel much stronger about Arctic.

I really don't think he's a wolf, his reaction to Taffy's claim was so villagery to me, and also makes a lot of sense LOL like the thing about anticlaim just seems really legit

my bad if I'm being snowed but I don't think he flips wolf here
@Lissa if you don't want to vote Maple then we can consolidate on Rask. I really don't want Arctic dead today-

[EnderWiggin]

vote: Totally not Taffy

ok then I choose to die voting the wolf who made an obviously fake claim which you guys decided to reward

If she is wolf what is the cost to limming elsewhere and letting her be hoisted by her own petard?

[Lissa]

arctic in this position just trying to kill the pr claim is so weird honestly regardless of his alignment but i think he is still where i want to go today regardless

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[Lissa]

I really don't think he's a wolf, his reaction to Taffy's claim was so villagery to me, and also makes a lot of sense LOL like the thing about anticlaim just seems really legit

my bad if I'm being snowed but I don't think he flips wolf here
@Lissa if you don't want to vote Maple then we can consolidate on Rask. I really don't want Arctic dead today-

voting a 0 poster just feels wrong even though

like

based on the thread villageriness he def is ++rand wolf

i dunno my ww principles are screaming at me at the idea lol

but i mean i kinda do think he is just a wolf i guess

just feels wrong which is maybe dumb

49

[Maple]

The things youre citing for your wolf read all occurred after your vote. Is this inherently a bad thing? Not really. While it's a "classic scum tell" over on the MafiaScum wiki, it's one I never put too much stock in. I love justifying reads post-hoc, ESPECIALLY when making reads for postgame cred. You do, however, seem entirely uncritical here, and that's more or less the problem. There are factual errors in your rationals here.

For example: the point that my wall on asking for advise is strange because nothing bad had happened in this game. However in the wall I more or less state that the introspection is largely triggered by a string of very successful wolf rands. Your initial point of me perhaps perspective slipping on my comments about my string of wolf rands.

Your point about me saying to give sunbae another day (explained by the central thrust of my distrust for them being tonal/the way they treat the game, which can perhaps be explains by a lack of engagement). Your point about my sheeping reads on taff and not particularly looking too deeply on it (explained by the fact that frankly I don't *need* to have a strong read on taff, and there's many people in the game who are better than me with strong convictions, so I don't mind sheeping those slots). As well as a point on me showing a lack of projected confidence (which I believe is factually incorrect in that I'm trying to inject confidence into my play here (unless I'm just utterly failing at that, in which cas e.

In aggregate it just reads like you're saying words. Again, in the wise words of tessepia: you are contradicting and counterarguing my posts without any degree of refutation to be seen.

Or in my own words: I am entirely unconvinced that you believe your push on me, especially given it is predicated upon pure PoE, only substantiated in any way after your own wagon began to really gain momentum. All that said, it should be incredibly obvious to you, at this moment, that I will not die today. If you wish to live, I strongly recommend you attempt to create a more viable counterwagon. Good luck.

Look, kill me or annika idc. She's clearly acting in bad faith towards me. If I somehow get voted out here, presumably due to tiny wagons in a 15p game, then fuck it, give me my one.

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Saving my last post to selfprez. I'm not a nerd who needs extra posts at EoD.

[didistetter]

Arctic is town.

Ender you've gone past cap just fyi.

i'll kill the afk ig. It's boring but with everyone capped and the pr claim immediately afking then like...... bleh

i don't trust ben enough rn to go maple. I don't like lissa's eod or her movement around arctic and the claims. So let's lim a 0 posting town and chat more tomorrow.

Vote: Rask

[nebjiamn]

vote: ladd

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 656

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
4	Totally not Taffy	Arctic (48), Visor (50), ladd (34), waza (56)
3	Arctic	EnderWiggin (54), Lissa (49), Totally not Taffy (35)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
1	ladd	nebjiamn (53)
1	Maple	annika (49)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (43)
1	annika	Maple (49)
1	Raskolnikov	didistetter (50)
1	Not Voting	Raskolnikov (0)

[Arctic]

I don't like maple's eod here at all ftr

prob my main take away from this

Giving him an excuse to vote me here probably but it's okay lol

[Lissa]

taffy going over here should like

really not be a thing???

seems like a pretty bad idea imo

[nebjiamn]

vote: maple

[Sunbae]

live crudely drawn 2 minute representation of benneh at his computer crying screaming throwing up at the realization that im not going to die today