Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[Maple]

i eated pizza life is good

idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it

eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of

visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei

top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)

i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.

visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0

[Arctic]

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
@nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

i have no real basis for saying this but aggressively flaunting voting rask the entire day and then not actually voting him at eod feels like a waza wolf thing to me (but i will not be pursuing this for a while)

[nebjiamn]

last thing ill say on that waza is that i DID find stett town and the receipts are there lol

me being nitpicky with some of her tone and actions prior to that is no different from the way you flip flopped on her a few times but i had her as one of my lock towns long before EOD and i think even before you finally settled on her being lock again. just because i have someone very hard town doesn't mean i don't question some of their posts from time to time and i feel like you of all people should acknowledge that since you did the exact same with the same exact poster?

i found annika while i was capped and she had her back and forth with maple so meh, fair enough on that point ig, but in the sense of you 'townsiding' for having them as top 2 town, i don't really view anyone's wolfing like in such a shallow way? stett and annika are easy towns to clear as wolf /shrugze

i am aware of your townsiding in that sense but to make this more productive i'd just ask: of my POE of 6 (assume I slid arctic or dya down), who among the other players NOT within my poe, do you think I should be townreading less and takeover your slot in that list? don't bother answering this now,--sincerely--this is a bigger question than this exact moment, but feel free to throw a post at me later tomorrow or so depending on where we both are landing.

[nebjiamn]

Like to clarify I don’t think I should be your top town either because I don’t deserve that either

Somewhere between dya and ender is where I’d expect to be on your list not at the bottom lol

damn you legit answered my question while i was writing the response lol

ok now i'm wasting posts

[Maple]

i eated pizza life is good

idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it

eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of

visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei

top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)

i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.

visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0

and stett is my n1 so she should be right below benneh

[Arctic]

nvm i'm wilding waza is still just town

benneh probably is too

Sap

Will be around more in second half of the day (p busy today irl) but annika/artic seem like pretty obvious villagers from eod, esp annika

Tbh nothing else changed for me, dya/annika/artic/benneh/waza/stett/pzelda are people i am ~never killing this game. Visor/lissa ill re read durjng today simply cause my read on them is not as strong/clear as the people above. Ender/maple/taffy are my lazy bottom tier atm


Gg sunbae

kinda funny how my poe rn is exactly those people + you lmao

[Arctic]

i understand there is a decent chance sunbae did not die n1 at the hand of the wolves, and thus there's a decent chance he didn't die for his reads, but i'll still note his wolf team here and carry on the torch

particularly he was quite strong on the dya read and i think mildly on the arctic one, so i'm going to reset my reads on them a bit and see what evolves.

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waza, i don't mind you putting me as tinfoil, that's fine

but most of the time when i say "i am out of my wolf range" its a joke and performative or a wink and nod at the camera and whatnot, so i just wanted to say this with total sincerity for once in my life: i am compoletely out of my wolf range. i don't think being postcapped at eod and resorting to active and engaged proxy votes to save arctic/taffy while trying to push out ladd/maple and instead voting a partner suddenly in a flashwagon, even if they are afk, is ever in my wolf range lol

wdym there's a decent chance sunbae didn't die to wolves

you think town got a save on someone or the wolf kill got stopped, and on top of that town has KP which they used specifically on sunbae who claimed PR???

idk where i'm going with this but it seems silly to think wolves didn't kill him because that requires town did

[nebjiamn]

wdym there's a decent chance sunbae didn't die to wolves

you think town got a save on someone or the wolf kill got stopped, and on top of that town has KP which they used specifically on sunbae who claimed PR???

idk where i'm going with this but it seems silly to think wolves didn't kill him because that requires town did

read his role again

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 728

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Totally not Taffy	waza (10)
1	Maple	didistetter (5)
11	Not Voting	Arctic (6), EnderWiggin (1), Lissa (1), Maple (5), Totally not Taffy (0), Visor (2), annika (3), dyachei (2), ladd (5), nebjiamn (15), pzelda (0)

[Maple]

Yall i beat ascension 12 for the first time today I might actually make it to 20 before sts mash

[Arctic]

read his role again

i may be stupid

[EnderWiggin]

i may be stupid

Benneh is implying that Sunbae anticipated who was targetted and redirected onto himself. Therefore wolves were the ones that killed him but Sunbae was not the N1 therefore wolves weren't trying to silence sunbae

[EnderWiggin]

Which tbh I agree with, and was the thought I had. I think I was one of the very small group of people defending Sunbae

[Arctic]

Honestly the game just seems villagery enough in general that I think Taffy is just a wolf and probably some kind of kp. Even though I'm happy with my poe no one in it really feels wolfy so it's kinda hard for me to feel good about calling 2 non-Taffy players wolves

This line of reasoning was correct on Rask (though it's not really how I felt about the game yesterday which is why I didn't consider going there) so it must be correct here :D

I would be enthused to be wrong about this because the game might not be boring then! Finding a lone wolf in these games when 2 wolves die immediately is either incredibly easy, which is boring, or absolute hell because they've just been bussing like crazy. I find that it's usually easier to solve the game if at least 2 survive until later because then there's at least some incentive to not bus which can be read into, but if both wolves are poe'd immediately then it's hard to figure out who it is

[nebjiamn]

tbc i don't think its unlikely he was targeted directly

i mainly wanted to preface that i think his reads are worth sheeping/looking into even if he wasn't targeted, primarily because he is good at the video game. there's still a world he was targeted (he did claim pr after all) -- plus i don't think its feasible we can deduce who he targeted so no value spending a ton of time figure that out.

good to just say he's a really good villager (some might even say nom-worthy) and he died n1 so we should consider his point of view.

[Arctic]

Sunbae was probably not killed for his reads - he was either killed because he was a claimed PR or because he got his action off. I don't think that even if his reads were accurate, wolves would kill him just because of that given his low position in people's reads and lack of threadpull, when he was a possible miselim if the PR claim was a joke (which it kinda read as to me, lmao). But not being killed for his reads doesn't mean he was wrong. It just means they aren't guaranteed to be correct. I think he could easily be correct on both Taffy and Maple. Just not me or dya (sowwy)

[ladd]

nvm i'm wilding waza is still just town

benneh probably is too



kinda funny how my poe rn is exactly those people + you lmao

Story of my ww career. Tbh i feel people (except a couple) have been lazy in reading me and just hoping taffy flips wolf to clear me (idk what happens if taffy is villa.. prolly bad stuff tho) but c est la vie


Fwiw i dont think its impossible sunbae was the nk cause 1)he is sunbae, 2) people mostly had moved om from thinking he was a wolf and 3) he jokingly claimed pr iirc


Doesnt really matter tho



@manti can you elaborate on why you v read dya?

[didistetter]

lmao sunbae was towny, had a towny eod, and claimed PR for some reason.

taffy had the way sketcher claim.
@Lissa arctic is pretty obviously pr who went after taffy so strongly b/c of him not liking the anticlaim stuff.. So i don't love your direction in 720

what do you tr about maple? what are your thoughts on ender and ladd?

[Arctic]

Story of my ww career. Tbh i feel people (except a couple) have been lazy in reading me and just hoping taffy flips wolf to clear me (idk what happens if taffy is villa.. prolly bad stuff tho) but c est la vie


Fwiw i dont think its impossible sunbae was the nk cause 1)he is sunbae, 2) people mostly had moved om from thinking he was a wolf and 3) he jokingly claimed pr iirc


Doesnt really matter tho



@manti can you elaborate on why you v read dya?

yeah I have been pretty lazy with this and I am sorry about that but when I'd clear you if taffy flips wolf and I really want to kill her it's kind of a waste of energy to evaluate you now. but I will do it if taffy ends up being town, I am not just gonna be screaming for your head so dw lol. gun to head you just wouldn't really move in my poe, but can't say for sure

why are you obsessed with why everyone is v reading dya? is the post about sunbae supposed to be some esoteric thing that nobody else should be reading into? because i've been locking them town over the same thing, it seems pretty straight forward to me. are you worried some people may be exhibiting TMI on them? otherwise i'm not really sure what the intrigue is here

[Arctic]

lmao sunbae was towny, had a towny eod, and claimed PR for some reason.

taffy had the way sketcher claim.
@Lissa arctic is pretty obviously pr who went after taffy so strongly b/c of him not liking the anticlaim stuff.. So i don't love your direction in 720

what do you tr about maple? what are your thoughts on ender and ladd?

lol is that why everyone was hard townreading me for eod? cuz they think im a PR?

well I would have claimed if I was, I'm not that stupid

so if that's the only reason you are townreading me then we should probably calibrate for that now rather than 3 days later when I'm still alive when you guys would find out i am in fact not a PR and decide to turbo blitz me

[nebjiamn]

wow what the hell vote: arctic

[ladd]

why are you obsessed with why everyone is v reading dya? is the post about sunbae supposed to be some esoteric thing that nobody else should be reading into? because i've been locking them town over the same thing, it seems pretty straight forward to me. are you worried some people may be exhibiting TMI on them? otherwise i'm not really sure what the intrigue is here

Nah i just want manti to talk more about their reads lol and the dya one had the least elaboration so i asked that one


Ngl manti saying they went through old games to read you also seemed a bit weird (would they truly care so much on n1), but maybe they are in their meta phase

[Arctic]

Nah i just want manti to talk more about their reads lol and the dya one had the least elaboration so i asked that one


Ngl manti saying they went through old games to read you also seemed a bit weird (would they truly care so much on n1), but maybe they are in their meta phase

icic

yeah that was a bit strange because manti has never seen a wolf game from me let alone a wolf game on the org (i havent randed wolf here)

i am personally skeptical of the value of meta without looking at a wolf game, but perhaps the relevant thing here is that i am also skeptical about how much value manti places in meta without looking at a wolf game

[pzelda]

Good morning,
Just a little note about my schedule before catching up. I'm visiting my sister, but I should be on a bus back to Prague some three hours before deadline. Expect me to be active there. Also, I'm on my phone for the entirety of D2.

I fell asleep some ten minutes before we were allowed to change our votes... I know it's moot but I probably would have voted Annika there for only having Maple and Rask as options.

[Maple]

Imagine thinking I'd read an org game LMAO

I haven't even read *this* game

[pzelda]

I agree annika and arctic are both town from eod tho ben.

Really don’t love maple’s omgus and attempted push on annika but we’ll see.
Lissa is the only on wagon voter I’m not lock towning.

I like this comment.

[ladd]

RIP Sunbae.

I still disagree that Arctic's EOD was specifically towny of em.

But there's enough people who seem to think that was clearing that it can't be just a wolf sentiment echo chamber and I have to consider strongly that I'm just five miles underneath the ground in my tunnel. So I'm gonna ignore Arctic for a bit and come back to it.

I also want to see what Taffy has to say.

I thought Maple had a terrible EOD. (This is definitely a unique viewpoint I see)

I think Benneh/Annika/Stett/Waza are all very towny from that EOD.

Need to get back to work will think more on this later.

What do you mean when you say "specifically" for them?

I am also egoistically curious why you villaread me at the start of the game and whether that read has evolved since

[didistetter]

I like this comment.

why?

[ladd]

lol is that why everyone was hard townreading me for eod? cuz they think im a PR?

well I would have claimed if I was, I'm not that stupid

so if that's the only reason you are townreading me then we should probably calibrate for that now rather than 3 days later when I'm still alive when you guys would find out i am in fact not a PR and decide to turbo blitz me

Exactly what a pr would say

[didistetter]

@ladd what do you make of the way lissa has posted wrt your slot, and her amenability to me suggesting a eod flashwagon on afk ladd for no reason other than someone claiming pr and dipping?

im kinda struggling with that dynamic, especially considering she +1d me telling arctic to not lim taffy, but seemed willing to flash an afk who frankly had no business being a d1 wagon