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[pzelda]

I'm still catching up. Arctic reaction to the claim is weird? It feels like overreacting, I noted it, but I don't read into it too much.
The more interesting stuff is benneh opening the game again and Visor trying to open the game and trying to steer away from Maple. There's something he dislikes. I'm not sure if it's that the focus feels too narrow or that he would prefer to open the game and avoid the yeet.

[pzelda]

Good morning btw! Still drinking my first coffee.

[Lissa]

I'm basically just drinking cherry liqueur with a little of this like. guava nectar and a bit of flavored vodka lol

I think I already drank most of the guava part so it's pretty decently strong atp

Arctic so f in thought taffy was a neut lmao

I kinda don't think waza is a wolf either. Bro staring down arctic who ends up needing to claim today and I don't think it was like exactly super unpredictable that arctic wasn't goin super deep in this game even if w/o taffy stuff he coulda gotten away a bit longer? + zero poster wolf bros and decides to, while NOT BEING ABLE TO POST TO CONVINCE ANYONE and after pushingb the 0 poster all day, just go taffy who's probably not gonna go over let's be real there's not that manyp eople willing to commit to the d1 pr claim elim on d1 right. over both wolves that's just like. idk what's his endgame? would he not do like anything literally anything else

[nebjiamn]

i'll be busy all day tomorrow (audrey is getting her black belt! wooooo!). i'm patting myself on the back for remembering that interaction and making today easier than it was lookin.

having said that, i've compiled a bunch of arctic spew from d1 and early d2 here. i think we should start parsing through it the rest of the day. side note: we don't have to worry about maj as its not enabled in this game til lylo

anyway click thru for ez compilation of spew and lmk ur thoughts, ping me so i can catch up when I have free time. gn all

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[Lissa]

i'll be busy all day tomorrow (audrey is getting her black belt! wooooo!). i'm patting myself on the back for remembering that interaction and making today easier than it was lookin.

having said that, i've compiled a bunch of arctic spew from d1 and early d2 here. i think we should start parsing through it the rest of the day. side note: we don't have to worry about maj as its not enabled in this game til lylo

anyway click thru for ez compilation of spew and lmk ur thoughts, ping me so i can catch up when I have free time. gn all

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go audrey pog

sick catch for sure

glad to nkow about maj I wasn't sure I went to check how many votes and I just tossed it out cause I'd only be like three but it was on ym mind

sick spew compilation I'll ahve to read through it

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I LOOKED I KNOW BUT I WONT TELL

also i already read his spew!!!

[didistetter]

annika prob v i think. Stett def v. idk on taffy and I suck at reading arctic so I try not to

I do think his reads list is at odds with a lot of the thread though

ok well ik im not maf

and this seems good postish from dya

ender and visor both town off arctic

so now im confused again lol

im skimming thread for mentions and pzelda also had a fair amount of shade on arccy


ender clearly unpaired

think his treatment of annika was unpaired

so what like lissa/me/ladd/maple poe tbh?

arso + redirect + inventor seems plausible with only one redirect

Vote: Arctic

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(if something goes south and arccy is town pr ben might be wolf but im not worrying about that)

[ladd]

Everything lissa and benneh have said sounds good to me

Even if artic comes in and tries to explain, i honestly dont think having an even redirector makes sense. Why would u need to split up a redirector?

Ender/visor/benneh/lissa/annika/stett/zelda/waza all seem like villagers . Maple/taffy should be real.


So i guess that leaves dya as last wolf and sunbae is just that sick and was n1ed

There is prolly spew to be found in eod wrt artic when he got wagoned but i dunno if i care to read back today given it d probabky just clear people who are already clear

Visor should track me/dya imo.

[Lissa]

ok well ik im not maf

and this seems good postish from dya

ender and visor both town off arctic

so now im confused again lol

im skimming thread for mentions and pzelda also had a fair amount of shade on arccy


ender clearly unpaired

think his treatment of annika was unpaired

so what like lissa/me/ladd/maple poe tbh?

arso + redirect + inventor seems plausible with only one redirect

Vote: Arctic

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(if something goes south and arccy is town pr ben might be wolf but im not worrying about that)

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would be a SICK handling if so lol

talk to me more ab dya i don't really feel a lot of things or much of any from that post at all

not a super meaningful post imo and not a particularly villagery one

Everything lissa and benneh have said sounds good to me

Even if artic comes in and tries to explain, i honestly dont think having an even redirector makes sense. Why would u need to split up a redirector?

Ender/visor/benneh/lissa/annika/stett/zelda/waza all seem like villagers . Maple/taffy should be real.


So i guess that leaves dya as last wolf and sunbae is just that sick and was n1ed

There is prolly spew to be found in eod wrt artic when he got wagoned but i dunno if i care to read back today given it d probabky just clear people who are already clear

Visor should track me/dya imo.

yeah i kinda agree lol the idea of that role being split in two is SUPER jank in retrospect

I already read arctic spew visor v maple v taffy not-w-probably-neut ez

[pzelda]

Ok, that claim seemed to be weird tbh. Kuddos to Ladd pointing it out first.
The worst thing about splitting a redirector would be that you would have 4 claims for town to clear. I wouldn't mind discussing Maple's claim a little further.

I'm out of time now, but I'll be back for the eod and I want to discuss more than claims.

[ladd]

Ok, that claim seemed to be weird tbh. Kuddos to Ladd pointing it out first.
The worst thing about splitting a redirector would be that you would have 4 claims for town to clear. I wouldn't mind discussing Maple's claim a little further.

I'm out of time now, but I'll be back for the eod and I want to discuss more than claims.

I deserve no kudos this game lmao but thx


Ill pop back in from phone to check every now and then but as the day just got easier ill prolly just go enjoy my saturday

Adieu

[Lissa]

Ok, that claim seemed to be weird tbh. Kuddos to Ladd pointing it out first.
The worst thing about splitting a redirector would be that you would have 4 claims for town to clear. I wouldn't mind discussing Maple's claim a little further.

I'm out of time now, but I'll be back for the eod and I want to discuss more than claims.

ben pointed out the weirdness

and it kinda goes beyond weirdness, there is just no way that arctic is ever the role he has claimed lol

[didistetter]

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would be a SICK handling if so lol

talk to me more ab dya i don't really feel a lot of things or much of any from that post at all

not a super meaningful post imo and not a particularly villagery one

ngl im way too reliant on retro vcs b/c i've been trying to figure out how much sus/votes arctic had at the time.

off memory he was never like.. in real danger which is why dya kinda just ignoring it and not caring doesnt feel super partnered to me

but yah its not strong

[Lissa]

thumbing through annika's iso, she's so obviously town I don't know why I even bothered

wazaaaa is a poster. honestly his early d1 kind of makes my skin crawl in a wolfy-weirdness sense. not even really that it's just like a certain kind of weirdness and skin crawliness.

bro the f ing bussing rask posts freak me out LMAO

his handling of rask is so WEIRD I forgot how friggin weird it was

his read on visor is o k it feels decentish

pzelda is so towny lmao holy

wazas post about ender ~ok

bro these BUSSING RASK JOKES WHY

why hve you done this to me

i think waza'r ead on sunbae where he called sunbae one of his best guesses for a wolf for the thing about somehting sunbae did being one of those thimgs where sunbae gets cleared for something where he doesn't know what's happening

i don't like

i mean i can get thinking that POST was weird

but the read def feels like weird and maybe wrong-in-the-off-sense-not-the-literal-sense

i d k

My Eod is simple lol

I signaled twice to get on rask and people didn’t listen

Then Arctic wagon gained traction which I hated because between my last post and when I came back for eod Arctic was one of my main trs, by the time I voted it looked like it was going to be between taffy or Arctic so I pressed for Arctic. Maintained my vote there because I figured if me Arctic and ladd are all there with Annika and stett shielding Arctic he shouldn’t die

Not super convinced at the time that taffy had to be a hit, could go either way, I liked some of taffy’s responses to ladd but I also agree with Arctic that the way taffy claimed felt fake lol

50 post cap is a big nerf so yeah idk maybe I just ghost the entire day until Eod

I'm not sure if I'm too drunk to process this or if it just makes no sense. I mean it's just the pressed for arctic thing that gets me I think it's just like a typo or weird wording probably never mind? based on therest of the context

ultimately I don't really think he ever plays eod like he did as a wolf, what on earth does he think his endgame is doing that as a wolf with rask and arctic lol. like cmon. multiple wolves and he thinks it's a good idea to just uselessly be on neither when he can't do anything real to sway the thread. dude is smarter than that

[Lissa]

ngl im way too reliant on retro vcs b/c i've been trying to figure out how much sus/votes arctic had at the time.

off memory he was never like.. in real danger which is why dya kinda just ignoring it and not caring doesnt feel super partnered to me

but yah its not strong

i don't reaaally think arctic was ever going over, as someone who thought he was a wolf at the time but admittedly wasn't super comfortable about it i felt like there was a lot of people who were not down

it didn't feel like he quite had the traction

idt that dya post means much of anything

i don't think your conclusion about them not caring is quite the right one idk

[waza]

Oh just remembered if Arctic does flip red then visors track actually becomes useful lol

Assuming there’s no ninja in the setup, in which case I’d like the track to be used on me if Arctic is red, my eod d1 really is policy worthy snd even if I can manage to outlive dya or ladd who are probs the only two other people that may get voted before me I don’t really think dya is a wolf and on top of the stuff I already said about ladd I don’t think the way him and Arctic spoke to each other today felt w/w. I’m not ride or die with any of these reads because tbh it’s hard to think who else could be a wolf aside for maple but yeah I really would appreciate if the tracker was used on me tonight (as long as ur not paranoid im a ninja or something )

[ladd]

Yea i re read super quickly dya iso and while overall i can see, i still dont really think they make that post to sjnbae as wolf? Dunno maybe i am giving it too much weight

[Lissa]

Yea i re read super quickly dya iso and while overall i can see, i still dont really think they make that post to sjnbae as wolf? Dunno maybe i am giving it too much weight

I definitely think you are, they could 100% make that post to sunbae as w

[Lissa]

I don't think it's like, wrong to have found it villagery at all but I think it's pretty minor especially atp

[waza]

Both lissas and Ben’s excitement is believable/towny, Ben for finding the inconsistency and Lissas follow up. Her reaction to my claims of bussing rask seem hard to fake as wolf so I’ll take that

Btw @Lissa when I say pressed for Arctic I meant self pres voted on behalf of arctic


Annika and stett are reads i don’t feel the need to revisit So yeah still town

I’m glad my initial take on ender might have been right lol

Idk if Arctic goes that much out of his way to bring visor into the poe if they’re partners d1 when visor was being trd, he made quite an effort to convince me out of townreading visor

Zelda I stopped trying to solve after their first two posts and just kinda assume if they’re a wolf they’d have been caught by now due to rust

I think I probs spoke about everyone else who is left anyways, so yeah idk lol on second thought maybe it’s better to use the tracker on ladd or dya instead since I don’t trust I’ll be a useful clear tmrw anyways but for poe reasons I’d still be happy to have it on me

[Lissa]

Both lissas and Ben’s excitement is believable/towny, Ben for finding the inconsistency and Lissas follow up. Her reaction to my claims of bussing rask seem hard to fake as wolf so I’ll take that

Btw @Lissa when I say pressed for Arctic I meant self pres voted on behalf of arctic


Annika and stett are reads i don’t feel the need to revisit So yeah still town

I’m glad my initial take on ender might have been right lol

Idk if Arctic goes that much out of his way to bring visor into the poe if they’re partners d1 when visor was being trd, he made quite an effort to convince me out of townreading visor

Zelda I stopped trying to solve after their first two posts and just kinda assume if they’re a wolf they’d have been caught by now due to rust

I think I probs spoke about everyone else who is left anyways, so yeah idk lol on second thought maybe it’s better to use the tracker on ladd or dya instead since I don’t trust I’ll be a useful clear tmrw anyways but for poe reasons I’d still be happy to have it on me

oh that makes a lot more sense ngl i was SO CONFUSED i figured either somehting was worded really jank or i misread

that explains it much more sensically ok

visor is like SUPER spewed town by arctic imo

the specific way arctic pushed him, it's like. it's SUCH an ingenerous interpretation of visor'sposting to the point of being incorrect/extremely reductive

[pzelda]

Oh just remembered if Arctic does flip red then visors track actually becomes useful lol

Assuming there’s no ninja in the setup, in which case I’d like the track to be used on me if Arctic is red, my eod d1 really is policy worthy snd even if I can manage to outlive dya or ladd who are probs the only two other people that may get voted before me I don’t really think dya is a wolf and on top of the stuff I already said about ladd I don’t think the way him and Arctic spoke to each other today felt w/w. I’m not ride or die with any of these reads because tbh it’s hard to think who else could be a wolf aside for maple but yeah I really would appreciate if the tracker was used on me tonight (as long as ur not paranoid im a ninja or something )

Tbh that feels like a waste. You probably wouldn't write that if you were w/w with Arctic. So, if he's a wolf and you're one too, you're killing Visor. Or you just plan to throw. In light of this comment I find it less likely for you to be affiliated with Arctic and if wolf aware of the track being real and therefore you would have a mean to avoid being tracked (like not killing yourself or blocking Visor).

[pzelda]

I feel a little bit lazy, but I don't think there's a reason to revisit most of my reads.

Benneh/waza/stett/Dya/Lissa/Taffy - town

Visor - very likely town. I think he might be someone to talk about some more, but if Arctic flips red, he's basically cleared. That early push from Arctic wasn't bussing IMHO. And the track is real in that case.
Ladd - it just feels like the guy's town
Annika - multiple players have her locked town. I don't quite see the reason, but I'm comfortable rolling with the consensus.
Maple - I'm locking him villa if Arctic flips red.

Ender - Ok, I think town, but I also think I should keep an eye on him. I wouldn't clear him for pushing Arctic and I would check how Arctic pushed back.

[pzelda]

Vote: Arctic

[waza]

Tbh that feels like a waste. You probably wouldn't write that if you were w/w with Arctic. So, if he's a wolf and you're one too, you're killing Visor. Or you just plan to throw. In light of this comment I find it less likely for you to be affiliated with Arctic and if wolf aware of the track being real and therefore you would have a mean to avoid being tracked (like not killing yourself or blocking Visor).

Oh yeah lmao I forgot the wolf can simply just kill visor tonight if he’s v

Errr yeah idk then, this is why I wished the invention wasn’t outed and think it’s wolfy to out it in mantis claim but also both wolves claiming pr at the same time is kinda whack to be the case

[pzelda]

I buy Taffy's claim pretty well rn.

I think my POE is pretty much Maple/Lissa/Ladd/(Arctic)

I've put my Arctic stuff out there, if no one agrees with me I'll shrug and drop it for now because I don't have any way I can state it more persuasively and if everyone is saying I'm wrong then maybe I'm wrong.

Ladd gets added because I don't really feel like he's progressed in a way that makes me think town, but it's like ~not a strong read.

I still think Maple's narrow focus/small footprint EOD is very wolfy. I will happily champion this.

Lissa is just someone I think has been wolfy over-all. But probably is in the Arctic treatment in terms of at least two or three people have said what I was suspecting is just normal Lissa. That being said I don't think their EOD was great and they haven't done anything I find super towny so they can exist in a POE.

If I'm misclearing anyone atm it's probably in Dya (Because my ability to read them has always been kinda shoddy. I think I'm improving in the last 2/3 games we've played but wouldn't shock me if I've read em wrong.) or Waza (Because the snow leopard is tricksy and speaks sparkly words. I've definitely been wooed by them before so I tend to keep some tinfoil in the closet.)

The thing about not pushing his case here triggers me a little.
Btw let's just work on an assumption Arctic flips red.

[pzelda]

@didistetter
First post - This is the read on me that I've been harping on about. Makes a shade-centric observation. "Idk if this is uncharitable" and then basically suggests I'm posting differently "flavoured" to when he was wolf and he + DZ voted me out when I was town.

Second post - I call him out on it and he then admits he "Knew it was uncharitable" and intentionally tries to point out how he wasn't really pushing it as if that's a defense. (Which 1. puts lie to the "Idk if it is uncharitable" line and 2. if you're shading someone usually the point is that you're trying to make OTHER PEOPLE be the direct attackers while you have just pushed it subtly in the background.)

Third post - Shading Visor after Visor is generally townread (Visor has in recent times been potential miselim bait due to not caring about putting effort in, something I vibe with strongly.) and also backing down off me after I have shown my teeth.

Fourth post - This one feels like trying to poke another to a conclusion that he's annoyed they haven't reached but this one is ~meh. I'm mostly including it because he makes a deal about someone's alignment with his reads. Which is relevant for the follow up:

Fifth Post - Because when Dya pointed out how Arctic is sussing her despite having generally aligned reads his reaction is to:
Sixth Post - ONCE AGAIN the person he has poe'd/shaded/sussed comes back at him for how odd it is or how uncharitable it is and the response is to placate. "I don't really sus you tbh" instead of the response to me, but I felt like it was an echo.

Seventh Post - Now instead of "Feeling like there's a difference between my shitposting last time" he's now backed down to "I just am saying I could see myself shrug yeeting you cause idk any way to read you." The backpeddling to seem reasonable is the real reason I sunk my teeth into this and don't want to let go.

Eighth Post - "It's not just that I disagree with your reads"
Ninth Post - "i think other players have been townier and i disagree with his reads"
(Also I have always hated "I disagree with your reads" as a wolfread because how often do two town get different reads on things? Very often. Even amongst good players.)

This is mostly included because I feel like it fits with the placation to the person he's sussing while just straight up shading them to others with buzzword statements.

As for his EOD, It basically is mainly the following:
1. A weird request for Taffy to find wolves or die
2. A immediate bad reaction to the claim
3. "I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk"
4. Waffles around then puts down "I'd vote any of taffy/maple/ladd/rask" (Note: He does not vote Rask)
5. Has been waffling around on the claim but as soon as he starts getting votes instantly goes nuclear on trying to revitalise it against Taffy

I don't think that EOD is particularly wolfy tbh. It's kinda midline for me. The Rask note is like hindsight not ~great but also not that damning either.

My point is idk why that seems to be universally townread.

But again, it's very possible I'm miles deep in the tunnel and not seeing things clearly.

I definitely can get that way.

@ladd what do you think about this case as possibly w/w? Also, ender basically dropping any effort to push it.

It's not a good case. Ender just went with w Arctic and built it around it. Then there's that part about the eod not being terrible. Ender admits that the case was made more because Arctic got universally townread at that point. So, it could be an instance of distancing IMHO.

Arctic/Ender feels too easy tho

[pzelda]

For some reason I asked Ladd instead of @waza who is present. What's your opinion on Arctic/Ender pairing?

[EnderWiggin]

The thing about not pushing his case here triggers me a little.
Btw let's just work on an assumption Arctic flips red.

I tried to get him wagoned at EOD.

Lol.

[EnderWiggin]

Capage.

Reread D1.

Please.

Also I didn't drop off pushing that case. I said if everyone didn't agree then I'd shelve it because 90% of thread was saying Arctic was town for EOD (Which I vocally didn't agree with.)

Like m8.

[EnderWiggin]

Also I take personal offense at it being called "not a good case" when I literally caught a wolf everyone was going to handwave as town but that's neither here nor there.