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[Visor]

Visor can we get who you tracked plssss?

I don't have useful information, sorry

It is weird that I was neither roleocked or killed last night

I am inclined to give some creedence towards disloyal inventor shenanigans, but still want to see what manti says

[dyachei]

Mainly I think the way she interacted with/handled you and waza and your combined dynamic was villagery. Feels like she was trying to parse that collection of posting without any interest in capitalizing on it.

this is probably the villageriest thing lissa has going for her and rask wasnt posting

[dyachei]

this is probably the villageriest thing lissa has going for her and rask wasnt posting

sorry multiquote is fucking with me. this was meant to be the last minute rask vote

[dyachei]

Why do you see it as random? It was pretty obviously me thinking it was incorrect to kill Taffy and figuring I should make sure that didn't happen.



I think this is pretty misplaced? Of course a ladd wolf is going to do things like shield some villagers; also ben was absolutely not ever seriously vulnerable, and frankly I didn't really think sunbae was ever going over D1 either, I was kinda baffled when he claimed ngl. makes more sense w/ what the role was but at the time I was sort of confused

idk I don't think sunbae was ever going over lol just on VIBES maybe I'm wrong

I don't think delaying the taffy flip is unambiguously beneficial for ladd; it's a tradeoff of ensuring you GET that flip versus delaying looking bad for it but it potentially not happening?



To be clear my stuff re: maple is a her whole play this game thing not at all just eod; it's her entire approach to d1 as a whole. Like it's not really about the eod though that's a part of it; I just think she'd have played the whole day in a way that would have ended up positioning her more usefully at eod + in general as a wolf.

I just spent the better part of four days wolfing with her in like a SUPER intense wolfgame and obviously this game wouldn't look like that it's not exactly comparable in that sense, but I just. really don't think this is what it would look like, I feel like I have a pretty good insight into how she thinks when wolfing now, and this just doesn't fit.

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I think Taffy being a neutral is extremely possible. Just kinda instinctively it feels like a thing that makes sense? Both in terms of what the role is and how it fits into what we know of the setup I feel like it's probably the world we are in, town arso doesn't really quite feel right?



waza's handling of rask doesn't... really make sense if he is a wolf. I mean there's worlds where it was some weird levelly thing, but like. waza was probably part of the reason killing rask ever got seriously considered? I'd guess he put the thought in at least some heads with what he was doing earlier in the day? then he chooses to not vote there eod? I don't reaaallly think that's the choice he makes there as a wolf? like it's not strictly impossible but it's kinda jank.



oh that's what that was

cute soft lol

her defense of manti is also pretty prevalent. i think they could be paired

[ladd]

Idk i have not re read yet but i have kinda convinced myself of maple/lissa wolf team

Eod1 i gotta recehck but lissa trying to get artic wagon going, shading me when i got a couple of votes both make sense when the other wagon viable was maple who they defended pretty hard iirc (at least the day after)

When artic is not an option anymore bussing rask last minute to at least get some cred for eod

Then d2 they come in with an hard defense of maple as thry cant afford to lose another. Meanwhile maple soft first post and claims the track immediately to get visor to defend them and setup the claim (i found it werird how they didnt like fps a bit to give visor more of a chamce to get the track off)



Benneh friendo, if u have concerns about me plz explain them. I can defend you and dya all i want but if yall dont think i am a villager game gets a lot harder

[Maple]

I cannot play tonight, I'll be here tomorrow.

Sorry about not being engaged enough with this game, its timing isnt working out for me

[ladd]

vote:lissa

Gonna get back to sleep. Monday is busy so prolly will do re reading on tuesday but like I really believe there isnt much space for wolves to hide if people start taking stuff at face value

Dya wouldnt make that post @ sunbae as a wolf - they are a villager. Sometimes its that easy

Benneh is consistently solving in a genuine way, they are a villager

Stett is cleared by everyone who knows them well, they are a villager

Waza posting consistently villagery all game, they are a villager

Zelda pushing unusual angles and displaying paranoia and weird theories at every step, they are a villager

Taffy claim cannot be a wolf p much, they are a villager (or 3p but who cares rn)

Visor has been playing the agitator and having original pushes all game, they are a villager (probably)

[dyachei]

i hope to have time to post tomorrow but things are weird at home rn

in case I forget

unvote

vote: lissa

[waza]

I don't have useful information, sorry

It is weird that I was neither roleocked or killed last night

I am inclined to give some creedence towards disloyal inventor shenanigans, but still want to see what manti says

Tbh I think town!you would probs have been killed last night if Ben or lissa is a wolf

I can go into more of the details but I think you not dieing and Annika dieing looks worse for maple/ender pairing and better for a dya/ben pairing

(Btw when I say pairing I don’t mean there has to be two in each pair but like hopefully one)

The other implication is that ur the wolf lmao but err I think I lean more in to being maple>ender>lisor=visor

Everyone else is pmuch town imo

[didistetter]

I'm not gonna be uselessly spreading or exploring paranoia, but I'm probably not taking super many people as face value villager.
@Totally not Taffy who did you douse and why?
@Maple i recognize you won't be around for a bit, but can you explain your eod approach please? Because it def felt like trying to snap on taffy given annika/I were defending arctic to leave arctic for a later possible lim.
@Lissa i want to hear your worldview.

[nebjiamn]

I don't have useful information, sorry

It is weird that I was neither roleocked or killed last night

I am inclined to give some creedence towards disloyal inventor shenanigans, but still want to see what manti says

who did you track and why

is there any chance iyo that the track could come with unknown consequences

[didistetter]

Vote: Maple

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin talk to me about Maple's EoD bc Stett tried to tell me it was bad and I don't see it

Taffy (12)

EOD1?

They had 0 consideration about what else was happening. They basically had like maybe 2 or 3 posts that weren't just re-iterations of anti-Annika statements.

Which is an easy tunnel way of ignoring all other wagons. Annika mentioned the other wagons and gave reads around it but Maple's entire focus was just discrediting and pushing Annika.

"Small footprint" is a wolftell I still use to this day because even good wolves fall into it without realising.

[EnderWiggin]

I feel kinda bad about yesterday. I thought Arctic was solved and it was Mothers Day so I peaced out without checking up at all. That's entirely my bad.

I refuse to entertain Benneh as a wolf tbh. That gotcha on Arctic (even if wrong) was a very villa moment and if that's faked then I guess Benneh has entirely punked me this game.

[didistetter]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

guys maple might have actually towntold it's so over

@annika i wish you elaborated on this :wowee:

Vote: Unvote

[nebjiamn]

ladd town

im calling annika and maple a diff check

This is not a flavour claim. Good morning noontime all



Taffy (1)

@Lissa

can you give me some expanded thoughts on visor?
@didistetter too please

[nebjiamn]

ignore those 2 quotes

i was gonna say "lol stett nice fake read that might potentially be right" and then just confused face at the taffy post again but then had a tangential thought

[didistetter]

dunno.

w!visor doesn't need to vote on rask d1.
w!visor doesn't need to keep shading me and playing into paranoia on my slot when like functionally everyone in game is more mislunchable than me
idg why he didn't claim his track given he apparently got neither blocked nor a result but it's w/e.
I think his posts have felt genuine, reminds me of my last towngame with him, and the brashness feels more like he's trying to understand wtf is happening than push agenda.

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maybe this myserious 4th pr is someone getting arctic voted out idk but like logically if you excist as a 4th pr in this game, probably motion detector if i had to guess, you should realize that it logically makes more sense for taffy to be 3p than arctic to be fake? like this entire setup FEELS like its been built around the existence of the bomb arso

ngl this post is fine.

I agree, setup feels built around bomb inventor. But i *do not care* about 3p atm. and if we lunch taffy and she's town its dire.

[nebjiamn]

this is a pure bad take (tm)

but annikas read on wazas flip was villagery uncritical

i think normally i'd tend to just say that its kind of a bad (maybe almost tmi spewing) village read from a wolf but i think i have come around to it being too unconcerned and blatant, which can be like a lazy wolf kind of read to make, but i don't really get those vibes from someone who bothers to post links to post numbers

i am not explaining this nearly as well as I wouldve liked, but i just think that while that kind of read is normally a lazy wolfread, i think given how they are playing it isn't

this is quite villagery and i remember thinkign so d1 -- especially true given annika's thread state at the time i think?

P#169 also seems like a villagery tangent for visor to go off about in his comparing stett to some anon lissa game

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1215

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Lissa	Visor (4), dyachei (12), ladd (5)
1	Maple	waza (5)
9	Not Voting	EnderWiggin (2), Lissa (0), Maple (2), Totally not Taffy (0), didistetter (7), nebjiamn (7), pzelda (0)

[nebjiamn]

annika is an interesting one for me. i'm probably going to leave her be for now but i highly dislike her getting hung up on the manti post. that feels somewhat unreasonable and silly and the fact that she so quickly conceded the point being irrelevant when lissa asked her about it sorta tells me she didn't think too deeply about it, but its exactly the kind of read you WOULD think deeply about if you were the one to bring it up?

i also dislike her towning haru here in her core and replacing me (im mad cause bad (but sincerely, that reads strange to me)) out of it.

wow best read of the game from me

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@nebjiamn

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup

stett why the f did you ask this question and what did you possibly think you could glean from it

[nebjiamn]

i'm halfway through day 1 and here's where i'm at:

-visor is my top townread through those posts

-some of stett's early day 1 is of serious concern and i probably wouldn't even bring this up normally out of fear of derailing the game thread but this should sincerely be looked at if she's alive at like f5 or something

-i don't really get the pzelda trs so far? not that the posts are wolfy but theres an aloofness to them that I feel like is possible some people are ascribing to be out of his wolf range? i don't know capage's meta at all nor have i seen previous org wolf games but i just don't get it.

-something in my brain is telling me through the first half of the day that maple and lissa are not paired. i don't have any interactions to back this up, its just a vibe thing with how SOD came and went and their own places within it. also the way lissa explains their tr on maple at one moment just feels kinda unpaired--if she's town it was either genuine confusion about maple's alignment but if she's wolf then it feels carefully crafted to look partnery but idk if it actually means they're partnery?

-some of waza's early day moves are very very pro town. probably in the way that they should be clearing for him? but idk. he's so unorthodox its hard to gauge--if half the list had his posts i'd be very sure they're town but idk

i'm sure lots of things will shake up for eod

[EnderWiggin]

I think I'm happy with me/Lissa/Maple poe? I do think I've been letting Waza/Ladd go a little. Taffy's not wolf. Benneh's not wolf. Dya's not wolf. (I think) Pzelda is probably not a wolf (but god that theory on me was atrocious) Stett I keep getting paranoia about but everyone else agrees that they're town so I'm just telling myself to shut up there.

[EnderWiggin]

Oh yeah Visor.

Uh.

I want to say town but I don't have a good defendable reason to do so lol

[nebjiamn]

think im going to just ride or die with this core today in hopes it works out?
6. nebjiamn - pros- voted a wolf (luck), out of wolf range, exceedingly villagery. cons- sucks at werewolf and only suspects town after day 1.
3. Visor - pros- voted a wolf, strong SOD1. cons- not much explaining after mid-d1.
4. didistetter - pros- voted a wolf, exceedingly strong EOD1, tonally has been mostly stellar, has progressions i think she struggles to make as wolf vs this spoecific playerlist. cons- some weird posting early day 1
14. dyachei - pros- sounds like town whenever they post, several people have cleared them for a post @ sunbae. cons- activity is low so can be hard to lock in the read
10. waza - pros- objectively lots of early townsiding in the form of townreads which is very much within waza's meta, exceedingly strong EOD1 whwerein he defended towns while postcapped with votes and unvotes. cons- probably the most capable wolf in the lobby? lots of the TRs were thin/TMI-ish so could get away with it.

people say he's always a villager so if everyone stifled discussion here for no reason then the loss isn't on me
15. pzelda - pros- allegedly out of wolf range, paranoia around their posting, if wolf: isn't the one driving agenda. cons- meta couldbe outdated or just wrong. somewaht aloof.

should be not-mafia barring bastard mechanics or an unclaimed town PR
11. Taffy - pros- pr claim that makes sense given rask's flip. should imply impossibility that they could be wolf pending no other town CCs. cons- nature of their KP is delayed and counterable, could be 3p as easy as they are town but doesn't really matter while wolves are alive.

same generic concern pile as everyone else
2. ladd - pros- lots of believable town reads and conviction behind them. cons- primary push day 1 was not wolf and the insistence on it was non-collaborative in ways that ring like w!ladd
7. Maple - pros- a pr claim. cons- a pr claim. both EODs have been absolutely horrendous and the rest of their dayplay isn't super inspiring either
8. Lissa - pros- voted a wolf. tonally good, 'threadspewed' town d1. cons- eod1 besides the vote is kinda rough in hindsight. last vote on the wolf and it was a 2 vote split, so in theory the vote didn't 'matter' in that sense.
12. Ender - pros- i legit have no idea? lots of the pros i had hinged on a w!arctic world. i need to dive in more on ender. cons- same idrk

[ladd]

wow.

daylim my tr

kill my other tr

sick stuff.

benneh/ladd/maple/dyachei figure out which of you is the maf.

annoyed bout yesterday but i probably coulda done more to save him.

bleh.

Why those 4 names? Do yiu think both wolves are in there?


@waza ender went for maple eod1 and ended up off wagon on them while rask got cfded. Seems weird to me if w/w, its partially why i have maple/lissa as most likely team

[nebjiamn]

vote: lissa
vote: ender
vote: maple

if we had ranked choice voting my ballot would look like this (in reverse)

not that i wouldn't vote ladd today but i do feel like i'm least likely to land there on him for now.

i'd love to see some comprehensive game views of these 3 ppl

[nebjiamn]

@waza ender went for maple eod1 and ended up off wagon on them while rask got cfded. Seems weird to me if w/w, its partially why i have maple/lissa as most likely team

i just read past this sequence -- the vote is super late in day and everyone's already off maple by the point he votes btw. plus we know he busses (he and I bussed eachother day 1 in a previous w/w game. you and ender have bussed d1 in a previous w/w game)

i decided to give it 0 unpairing points when i scrolled past it

btw i read your stuff re: lissa and i can see it. (also i gave up my unpaired read for lissa/maple by the time i got to eod) but i would love if you can unpack more of a read on her when u have time. i still read her outside eod1 actions and she sounds so towny to me

[ladd]

I think I'm happy with me/Lissa/Maple poe? I do think I've been letting Waza/Ladd go a little. Taffy's not wolf. Benneh's not wolf. Dya's not wolf. (I think) Pzelda is probably not a wolf (but god that theory on me was atrocious) Stett I keep getting paranoia about but everyone else agrees that they're town so I'm just telling myself to shut up there.

I mean so you think lissa/maple is the team correct? I assume you dont think you are a wolf

Are u really happy with a poe where that has to be the exact team or u lose fypov

[ladd]

i just read past this sequence -- the vote is super late in day and everyone's already off maple by the point he votes btw. plus we know he busses (he and I bussed eachother day 1 in a previous w/w game. you and ender have bussed d1 in a previous w/w game)

i decided to give it 0 unpairing points when i scrolled past it

btw i read your stuff re: lissa and i can see it. (also i gave up my unpaired read for lissa/maple by the time i got to eod) but i would love if you can unpack more of a read on her when u have time. i still read her outside eod1 actions and she sounds so towny to me

Fair enuf, i was more giving credit for the weirdness of it given the situation rather than voting maple itself but maybe you are right that its not that unpairing

And ya ill do it when i am not phoneposting