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[Maple]

bro benneh isnt a wolf like lmao idk nl talk me out of this one please

putting waza into the "lock clear never rescind" tier based on [everything] dont think that read is ever wrong here and if it is then like my performance this game is so IMPRESSIVELY bad that at least it will look like i was deliberately trolling

taff still aint a villager like jfc i cant

fuck this setup dude im not sure what we're supposed to derive here and im sorta beyond caring atp

[Totally not Taffy]

Vote: Maple

I iso'd her today and I've decided that the risk of us both being town is negligible.
She's pushed Annika D1/D2
She pushed Ladd
She swapped to an opportunistic Benneh push after Visor expressed his sus there
She voted Ender literally saying it was bc he was the only viable way to save Lissa
She argued hard that Lissa was town the next day
She's just mindlessly pushing me all this time without ever reevaluing and I am certain wolves want me eliminated rather than risking a NK

I have peace with this.

Taffy (5)

[Maple]

why is taff assuming it is a world of 4 wherein all 4 wolves are pack?

lol

[Maple]

Vote: Maple

I iso'd her today and I've decided that the risk of us both being town is negligible.
She's pushed Annika D1/D2
She pushed Ladd
She swapped to an opportunistic Benneh push after Visor expressed his sus there
She voted Ender literally saying it was bc he was the only viable way to save Lissa
She argued hard that Lissa was town the next day
She's just mindlessly pushing me all this time without ever reevaluing and I am certain wolves want me eliminated rather than risking a NK

I have peace with this.

Taffy (5)

REEVALUATE WHAT LMAO

you havent even claimed yet!!!!!!

im reading your psots and theyre actual nonsense omg like wtf were any of oyur posts yesterday tehy were some philosophical bullshit about PR hunting or something and you SOMEHOW beleive that we're in a all pack world of 4 like ?????? okay so we haev 2 shitass BGs and a shitass arso that gets blocked by wolves having THREE counter roles to it and no other PRs AND wovles have 4 memebrs like lol no shot you beleive that

vote: taff

[Totally not Taffy]

The reason I iso'd Maple is this post from Stett which pinged me yesterday:

@Maple why would you give the cop out last?

At no point in Maple's entire iso does she mention that the cop check is her last ability to hand out until after this post from Stett when she acknowledges there were only three.

So I need to reread Stett to remind myself why I unpaired them bc it sure wasn't anything Maple did

But I realised when I got round to Stett's post that maybe she meant "last" as in "after the other two we already know about"

Anyway Stett iso tomorrow

Taffy (6)

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2014

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
2	Maple	Totally not Taffy (5), didistetter (17)
1	Totally not Taffy	Maple (9)
4	Not Voting	Visor (6), nebjiamn (3), pzelda (18), waza (23)

[Maple]

every fucking game i swear people sus me then i live to endgame and they suprise pikachu face that im still alive way to fucking late bruh yall should have let me died like half a month ago learn how to leash KP noobs

also it was a VANILLA COP which is a STRICTLY WORSE ABILITY THAN JAILKEEP my god

[Maple]

The reason I iso'd Maple is this post from Stett which pinged me yesterday:



At no point in Maple's entire iso does she mention that the cop check is her last ability to hand out until after this post from Stett when she acknowledges there were only three.

So I need to reread Stett to remind myself why I unpaired them bc it sure wasn't anything Maple did

But I realised when I got round to Stett's post that maybe she meant "last" as in "after the other two we already know about"

Anyway Stett iso tomorrow

Taffy (6)

literally didnt ISO me LMAO

vote: taff

[Maple]

im way too tilted for reasons sorry ill be back later

[Totally not Taffy]

REEVALUATE WHAT LMAO

you havent even claimed yet!!!!!!

im reading your psots and theyre actual nonsense omg like wtf were any of oyur posts yesterday tehy were some philosophical bullshit about PR hunting or something and you SOMEHOW beleive that we're in a all pack world of 4 like ?????? okay so we haev 2 shitass BGs and a shitass arso that gets blocked by wolves having THREE counter roles to it and no other PRs AND wovles have 4 memebrs like lol no shot you beleive that

vote: taff

Re-evaluating based on flips
There's no way I am a wolf, not even a lost wolf, after EoD3 where I literally call Lissa out for wolfing through EoD and easily could've voted Ender (who I explicitly rescinded a townread on earlier) or you (who I'd been voting before I sheeped Visor on Lissa)
There is no way a 3p whose wincon surely depends on their bombs starts pushing to kill Arctic after Benneh thought he cought him in a lie rather than arguing that he was already bombed anyway like I'd done at SoD2. That can only come from a town who genuinely believes Arctic was a wolf trying to get another night action (like I said) or from a wolf who saw their chance to push a PR out.

I am town. And I watched Seven Psychopaths today, it has a cute meme for if you ask me about my targets again.

Taffy (7)

[Totally not Taffy]

Also I keep forgetting this but @didistetter the best way to "iso" is to set your posts per page to the maximum (which is 80 bc the creator of this site is a math afficionado who hates base 10) and then you ctrl+F for ppl's join date so it jumps from post to post from that person and skips the ones where ppl are just talking about them

Taffy (8) and now I'm going to bed

[Visor]

Re-evaluating based on flips
There's no way I am a wolf, not even a lost wolf, after EoD3 where I literally call Lissa out for wolfing through EoD and easily could've voted Ender (who I explicitly rescinded a townread on earlier) or you (who I'd been voting before I sheeped Visor on Lissa)
There is no way a 3p whose wincon surely depends on their bombs starts pushing to kill Arctic after Benneh thought he cought him in a lie rather than arguing that he was already bombed anyway like I'd done at SoD2. That can only come from a town who genuinely believes Arctic was a wolf trying to get another night action (like I said) or from a wolf who saw their chance to push a PR out.

I am town. And I watched Seven Psychopaths today, it has a cute meme for if you ask me about my targets again.

Taffy (7)

[didistetter]

Unvote: Maple

ik ur gonna tunnel on taffy

can you just double check through ben and visor's d1s pls i wanna know your thoughts

[Visor]

heres the thing

i actually kinda buy that both of them are real, in part because of how indignant both have been (i guess theres a world where stett is faking that a rb exists but w/e)

so if we take that at face value

we got pzelda who is just doin his thing again

and we generally take stett as v

we got waza and benneh

and then you take lissas horrendous eod3 and you play level 0 and you say waza v

well there aint much left for it besides benneh now is there?

[didistetter]

Also I keep forgetting this but @didistetter the best way to "iso" is to set your posts per page to the maximum (which is 80 bc the creator of this site is a math afficionado who hates base 10) and then you ctrl+F for ppl's join date so it jumps from post to post from that person and skips the ones where ppl are just talking about them

Taffy (8) and now I'm going to bed

this is horrifying.

Ty o7

[nebjiamn]

U want me to lock it in and sheep for the entire game? Ccos like Idm I found him towny enough and didn’t particularly like that I was ending up there so yeah if u feel confident I’ll take it lol

Though where did the confidence come from? Iirc you were wary of them d1 and relying on others somewhat

yea, worst case blame the game on me (I’ll blame Ladd in turn)

but I reread his day 1 and i just don’t think the dynamic for him to be fooling everyone with meta coupled with him softly sussing out lissa while she is being “threadspewed v” as a bus is likely. Least likely world to me by a long shot and I don’t think we should override ladds legacy on him considering he said he was genuinely the clearest player to him besides me (I figure if I am likely to use this argument to protect myself later I should also respect the corresponding read Ladd has)

[nebjiamn]

?vote: maple

[nebjiamn]

visor you should out your track at some point (some point being your next post)

I don’t really care even if it’s on a dead person atp. I’d like to hear some accountability abt the choice and how you came to it

[nebjiamn]

visor you should out your track at some point (some point being your next post)

I don’t really care even if it’s on a dead person atp. I’d like to hear some accountability abt the choice and how you came to it

This is even more important now because your track if on a living player is very likely as good as a check considering dya died in fear of the cop putting a wolf (it was pretty obviously a vanilla/role cop of some sort to
me)

[Visor]

I tracked stett nowhere

Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go

Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw

Not my finest moment, lol

[nebjiamn]

I tracked stett nowhere

Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go

Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw

Not my finest moment, lol

that's decently helpful tinfoil wise

[nebjiamn]

idk brosephs i just think its maple, poor reasons for mech clearance be damned.

lissa's got a bunch of posts softly (and later, hard-ly) defending maple early/middle/late. the dynamics of EOD1 don't really make sense for there to be 2 wolves on the rask wagon. it seems far more likely that lissa saw visor and then maybe me join the wagon and at that point she had no choice but to bus to garner some level of credit. it doesn't make a ton of sense to me that this pressure happens if there are 2 wolves working in concert together at eod. i know I would absolutely refuse to bus rask there. i think visor probably would too, but i don't know that for sure and part of me has wondered if he's just been projecting his own actions up against me since his lissa/me sus started

lissa/maple makes sense to me in a dynamic wherein they were sowing chaos and had several town wagons up for grabs. maple was doing their best to push annika/not really acknowledge the relevant wagons at eod and lissa was doing her best to ensure arctic died. i don't think there's a ton of ways for that team to forsee a rask wagon popping up and since maple wasn't as active as lissa was I can see lissa just yoloing what her best thought for a win was

my last point re: wagon formation/lissa's hand being forced: if i'm wrong on maple i probably drop that read., i do sincerely think visor and maybe even waza have the most equity beyond that but i don't really have it in me to create a whole case when I think its maple a lot more often

i understand the taffy sus, especially from a posting POV, but i think there are GOOD reasons to sheep that she is mechanically clear from being a pack wolf and i don't think solving in the worst case scenarios of her being a lost wolf is good werewolf here in f7. if the wolves are eliminated and the game is still going we just kill taffy. if she somehow ignites everyone after we kill the wolf, c'est la vie IMO

stett should just be clear based off the eod1 vote + tone + general game solving. if I want to think she's a wolf, I have to think she's specifically a vanilla wolf who's managed to avoid being sussed out by several players all game long and she explicitly townsided every day but eod3. its not unreasonable but i just think she's town and the track would give me enough confidence to carry that thru to end game. if she's snowing, i'm glad for her

waza should be clear almost entirely off eod1. the communication through voting/unvoting while postcapped to protect arctic is a master class in anti-spew if he's a wolf IMO. he's capable of it, but that's not a reason to sus him. if i want to think he's a wolf, I have to think he's a wolf that spent all day 1 joking about rask being outed only to avoid bussing rask at the last minute. i also have to think that the back and forth with lissa EoD3 is theater. these are like, both reasonable things to sus for waza IMO, but i just think he's town tbh?


maple's done nothing but 3p hunt since day 3 and wolfed their ass off eod1, eod2, and did their best to ensure lissa didn't die eod3. currently doesn't have a winning game state and i just kinda think they're meowted? ladd died thinking it was lissa/maple. annika died thinking it was lissa maple. sunbae died with maple in poe. arcy had it between me/maple in addition to lissa.

dya died wanting to kill taffy but i think dya primarily died cause they had a cop.

i think the other thing to think about is that neither visor/stett dying (but dya did) -- if they are town, the wolves made the assumption they would not have to worry about those results. for stett this might matter less, because if the kill is blocked, there's no point targeting her with the kill anyway. if the kill goes through they can kill whoever they find optimal, but they definitely werent' concerned with visor outing a track and instead opted for annika who was basically confirmed vt.

idk, the kills point to maple. the posting points to maple. the game state points to maple. the mech may not point to maple, but the mech is easily manipulated when we don't have all the info.

fmpov today isn't hard. its only hard if we get to tomorrow imo

[nebjiamn]

Yeah waza's posting around rask is weird unless he's... exactly in a neighborhood with rask lol you're not wrong

Honestly I have no idea what alignment maple is lol

Really feel like I should have some idea

My heart says town but like

I'm really easily pocketed by the kind of thing she's doing this game ngl

Annika feels like a villager

Arctic idk I'll get back to you I think a lot of his posts are after I've read to yet

Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?

this just feels over explainy about maple in a wolfy way, esp in comparison to the other reads

+ the way she talks about waza also makes me feel better about my waza read. she'd have tmi he's not in a hood with waza so i think her calling waza's psting weird is just kinda setting up potential sus on him later

[nebjiamn]

Originally Posted by Sunbae
If I said:

**snip**

my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic

disagree, i d k gth disagree???, disagree, kinda lightly disagree

mafia rule of 4 imo

[waza]

lol I wish maple wasn’t a wagon

Not because I tr them hard but because to me the play today seemed to be we all unanimously pretend maple is lock clear (you can see from my early posts I was hinting at that) so that if they are town then wolves would just NK them tonight

So if maple didn’t get nkd then we could revisit

But errr I see people sussing there so now I doubt regardless of alignment maple gets nkd

Ben I haven’t read ur big wall or much over the last two pages I’ll have a look when I have more time

[nebjiamn]

just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture

** My own editing for formatting emphasis below **


rask ?? no posts,
ladd maybe v?
visor v,
stett v,
sunbae kinda v?,
ben probably v,
maple ????? gth v,
arctic idk kinda light v,
waza v,
taffy v,
ender ?,
annika v,
dya ?? no posts,
pzelda v
** End of my edits **
lol

think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here

another read list by lissa. she's not at all committed to a v read and seems entirely confused by why she's GtHing maple town but her next post:

well I have come to the realization that I don't actually have any wolf reads

and like

too many v reads for that to like

work

so uh

hm

thread feels really villagery imo

makes me think a wolf hasn't posted yet but that's obv kind of a jank read to make on a number of levels

ladd's thing re: taffy does make me rethink my village read there somewhat

arctic is a weird one

she striaght up TMIs a wolf hasn't posted yet and then espouses how she'd refactor her reads from there:

arctic is town that she is willign to reconsider for light v
taffy is very probable town (at least, she is almost CERTAINLY town from a wolf's POV) that she's happy to reconsider

but not at all maple, who would absolutely fit in with how she's parsing the game in her previous post? if maple's town, why would lissa act so hedgey this entire time only to never bother putting them close to a poe?

[nebjiamn]

just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture

rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v

lol

think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here

lol I wish maple wasn’t a wagon

Not because I tr them hard but because to me the play today seemed to be we all unanimously pretend maple is lock clear (you can see from my early posts I was hinting at that) so that if they are town then wolves would just NK them tonight

So if maple didn’t get nkd then we could revisit

But errr I see people sussing there so now I doubt regardless of alignment maple gets nkd

Ben I haven’t read ur big wall or much over the last two pages I’ll have a look when I have more time

brother there's no world maple is nightkilled this game. if they're town they're an essential miskill for the woofs and maple has no way of clearing themself atp

if the game continues after today, one of stett/you/visor will die in all likelihood. probably the person who townreads me the most and/or townreads pzelda the least cause I think those are the next most viable miselims, especially if i incorrectly push maple out today

[waza]

I tracked stett nowhere

Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go

Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw

Not my finest moment, lol

Huh which day and where did she go

You said u didn’t have anything important is that because u holstered at first or did u already have the track then

Sorry if u already answered this im reading stuff out of order on my phone here and there in between work

[waza]

brother there's no world maple is nightkilled this game. if they're town they're an essential miskill for the woofs and maple has no way of clearing themself atp

if the game continues after today, one of stett/you/visor will die in all likelihood. probably the person who townreads me the most and/or townreads pzelda the least cause I think those are the next most viable miselims, especially if i incorrectly push maple out today

Yeah I mean now they probs never will be nkd regardless of alignment but I do think at sod if we all cleared maple and played along with it wolves would buy into it if maple is v and eventually NK them, I even planned to tinfoil visor towards eod just to decrease his NK equity and increase maples

But yeah that’s probs not happening anymore so ig I’ll have to solve maple the old fashioned way

But on that note do you really think wolves would have a joat tracker and then someone who invents tracks too? What’s the point?

[waza]

Okay Ben I read ur wall

I still think ur town which doesn’t help my poe worrying but ngl it hasn’t changed my desire to want to kill taffy today lmao

I’ll try explain why when I’m home because it’s quite wordy and moreso based on game theory stuff