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[waza]

My style is VERY different! I wear a lot of plaid now :3

I def member you yeah, tho that was foreeeever ago. Your reads itg seem straight forward enough for me in a way taht I like this early.



yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like it might really just all come down to that. i feel like i could write 5 guides on how to village proficiently, so obviously my fundamentals and general process must be at least *fine*. And when I play with hydras/on teams things generally go fairly well! Which is probably ya know putting two minds together, and having someone to confbias your good reads and sanity check you on stuff.

like in indie mash i think me believing you were the lw and that you were never, ever gonna actually try to kill me let me post at you in a way that won you over, and if you think about it that's sort of it's own form of confidence.



lol he is but we are pretty incompatible as far as ww is concerned



grrr you didnt cfd the meowted wolf with me lissa and juls

and you were WRONG on MECH (wolf siding is probably putting it too strongly, but you were counter to a lot of the worldbuilding i was doing + your handling of the claims + adven d2 made it hard to v read you, except for the fact that you were just so insanely pure socially)

And ye that's the question I suppose. I think it might have to do with putting it all together. I like my socials. I don't play to get v read, really, and I think that's okay because people usually come around on me when I need to clutch up. When the mid-late game hits, I'm quite good at worldbuilding and I can generally divine what wolfchat is thinking better than most players. Plus, I'm one of the few people who actually have >rand thoughts looking at vote counts.

I think a major issue for me is getting into things in the early game. I like having a LOT of information to work with, and I like having had realtime with people to sort things out. Ya know, send someone a paragraph, see how they respond, continue the convo, etc. I think something like "be more like newcomb" is an overly lofty goal, generally speaking, but he has a way with things, of drawing connections between things and really getting a good look at what people are thinking or what their motivations might be, and he does it quickly. I feel like that's a big part of why he does so well on D1s. It's not really emulateble.

It's funny, I had a convo w/ tess about like... ways to force people to give better more logical reads? Like, if someone says a statement confidently, you need to figure out why, and see if they can refute counterarguments or if they're just contradicting you or counterarguging you on a basic, non-logical level. I've been able to integrate that into my wolf play, but im not 100p sure how to intigrate it with my other social tools as v. But I think that that'd be a big starting point.



ANYWAY all that aside, back to the game. This seems like an odd question to me. I'm weighing if it's an artifact of your *relative* newness or what. But I'll just see what ladd things about it for now



oh hi didnt know you were here hiiiiii

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wazaaaaa what useless fluff task do you think i should do? point me at a player and i'll hound em

Ooo take your pick between sunbae lissa taffy or arctic

These are probs the players I’d want more info on

Why’d you specifically ask me this btw? (I’m glad you did, just curious lol)

[waza]

Stetts town locking it in

We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days

[EnderWiggin]

Stetts town locking it in

We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days

Join me on Artuwuic

[waza]

Join me on Artuwuic

That post is mostly for others not for me, I’m committed to bussing rask today lol

I do have Arctic related thoughts but I wanna sit down and properly digest his walls and then respond properly to them before I decide what I’m doing with Arctic

[annika]

Stetts town locking it in

We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days

why do you TR Ender o:

[Arctic]

meh i'm really not seeing the visor townreads guys >.<

the post about annika felt like verbalized in a way such that he was trying to get townread and he doesn't have other reads with that same level of depth of thought which i feel lends credence to what i'm saying, and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of - not just the detached comparison to lissa's game, but more the way he was sort of sewing the seeds there in a shady way

i think he is the wolfiest person amongst active posters. i feel like ender got a tiny bit towny but i'm not sure

[Visor]

meh i'm really not seeing the visor townreads guys >.<

the post about annika felt like verbalized in a way such that he was trying to get townread and he doesn't have other reads with that same level of depth of thought which i feel lends credence to what i'm saying, and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of - not just the detached comparison to lissa's game, but more the way he was sort of sewing the seeds there in a shady way

i think he is the wolfiest person amongst active posters. i feel like ender got a tiny bit towny but i'm not sure

This is a Wolfy post

Not because he is pushing me, but because of his framing of the stett push

I don't think anyone has said my push on stett didn't feel great

There are people who don't agree with the dead, sure and find stett villagery

But no one is actually out here saying those things about my read re stett (unless I've forgotten something)

The hedge on ender is meh too, but the phrasing around stett being slimy is what is problematic here

[Arctic]

This is a Wolfy post

Not because he is pushing me, but because of his framing of the stett push

I don't think anyone has said my push on stett didn't feel great

There are people who don't agree with the dead, sure and find stett villagery

But no one is actually out here saying those things about my read re stett (unless I've forgotten something)

The hedge on ender is meh too, but the phrasing around stett being slimy is what is problematic here

the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays

now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good

[nebjiamn]

the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays

now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good

i don't think its fair to conflate lissa's post wherein she explains a meta read to visor as calling visor's push "not good"

at least not in the sense that you are sorta doing the legwork to call it wolfy on lissa's behalf

this is another nitpicky thing but i think this matters tbh

[ladd]

Stetts town locking it in

We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days

Who do you wanna lunch? Rask obv doesnt count as long as they are at 0 posts

You are at 3 posts left so feel free to answer later




@annika on why it feels benneh will die n1, its a joke i like to make when he is an obvious villager and present itg (and he is both this game) cause he tends to get got early in those games. Doesnt matter whether he is right rn or not, he is clearly being a positive for the village eheh

[ladd]

Taffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt

Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh

Just my 2 cents tho

[Lissa]

Taffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt

Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh

Just my 2 cents tho

my read is more about like the specifics of HOW she did it but noted

[ladd]

I wouldnt lunch ender

Bit hard to say who id lunch given there is 2 0 posters but the more i think about it the more i dislike taffy's push so lettuce try

vote: totally not taffy

[Sunbae]

I'm not going to call didistetter an obvious villager because I reserve that phrase for people I have a lot of experience with and I am uber-confident on but I will say that didistetter is my highest villager read and I'm surprised that other people skeptical there

[Sunbae]

Re: Benneh, I think benneh is only a wolf if I am and, well, I am not so he should be a villager (that is a real read not a joke)

[pzelda]

Taffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt

Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh

Just my 2 cents tho

I guess you're asking because of this?

[Maple]

Ooo take your pick between sunbae lissa taffy or arctic

These are probs the players I’d want more info on

Why’d you specifically ask me this btw? (I’m glad you did, just curious lol)

I don't really have a read on you even though you're saying a lot of words. Honestly, I'm still kinda eepy so I don't expect to be able to realtime enough between now and EoD to really make it worth it, unfortunately. But I was thinking, well, if there's some people waza isnt so sure on maybe I can kick something up and get a read on both of yall. Something like that!

hm.

I'm not just messing around for fun.
I'm also not yapping for yapping's sake.

This feels a little bit overly dismissive.

You said "i really don't want to die d1." that's useless to me b/c i never die d1. It's not something I need to want, b/c it doesn't happen.
The phrasing on that q to annika is kinda funky.


@ ben I read 209 and 210 but i don't really agree that taffy felt narratey. I'm considering cracking into a w!taffy scumrand to compare but ehhhhhh booo meta

115 116 idk this rlly isnt what id frame as wolfy commentary posting. It feels like taffy has underlying process

I'm going to become a roleplay gamer so i can start doing things like *tilts head in thought*, *looks at you quizzically*, *hums*.

I don't think we're communicating on the same level so I'm going to drop it.

Good morning, I'm just catching up before heading to work.
I like this part from Maple. I think he's trying to find a possible villager in didi and that's a good look. I also wonder if he's heading somewhere with his discussion on being a good villager.
Because I disliked that Arctic chose it as one of posts to react to. My first impression of Arctic isn't very good.

She hates being called "didi" jsyk, her name is usually shortened to "Stett" (please ignore me calling her Didi S. Tutter)

And no, the games here are just chill and it's a perfectly good time for me to get some real input. It's something that's been on my mind with how hard my v games feel and how easy my w games are.

lissa, thoughts on maple, annika, and arctic? i haven't digested much of any of their recent posts yet but maple seems lost in the deluge of a werewolf existential crisis and i'm sympathetic to it but i wish they had real reads instead (perhaps they do and that is in the parts i need to yet digest)

lol ive been trying to be consious of this and HAVE been trying to also post reads and contents alongside my pondering and lamentation just so I'm not unduly disrupting the game.

You're admittedly not missing much though!

you just gotta have that confidence I think

fake it till you make it, or even if you never make it

(says the pot to the kettle)

I've worked on that a lot over the years, but really need to do more I think

I was talking in the mash about how wolves never kill me early anyway (which I mean me being alive within the context of certain ways the game was playing out was very wolfy so it was like a ~reasonable read for them to make anyway but that is a true thing) and it honestly kind of annoyed me when I thought about it, like I want to fix that??

confidence and the benefits of it are definitely so much easier as a wolf lol



yeah that's like, a big part of the aggro-ish thing I was talking about re: taffy

ye our talks about those sorts of things come to mind cause atp its similar and it does, for me, simply come down to my play not being respectable enough, on a level.

dumb read alert but I feel like taffy saying specifically that i was annoyed at sod with how interactions were going is interesting and possibly towny language for what i was doing

i think any number of wolves would choose to use less derisive language and instead call me aggressive or agenda'd but annoyed feels like it comes from towny moundset? they felt like my prodding was from a place of annoyance at what waza was doing but if taffy were wolf and knows the alignments of me and a few others and coming up with a fake read, would they choose 'annoyed'?

like lissa just espoused, the ladd and visor reads gave me some pause because i was also concerned i was doing that dumb thing where you give someone credit for pushing you too easily and it becomes a thing but both of them kinda 'a-ha!' agreeing about the narration/narrow mindedness of it kinda rubbe dme the wrong way. and moreso visor than ladd since ladd originated it.

i still think visor is towny for reasons related to what lissa linked a bit earlier in how he shaped his reads though so idk maybe he's right

u say words good im sheeping this (you're right that the read is dumb but fuck it we ball)

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So while rereading the taffy opener looking at that last ben post, i got another look at stett's early posts and honestly? She looks a lot better on reread. In the context of her fucking around to get the ball rolling I think her handling of taffy opener and such looked good esp given what else was going on in the thread at the time.

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All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v


Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda

Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol

Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about

Balls on the table, I'm going to call waza v for SPECIFICALLY this post. His ISO in aggregate is still a PR that gets voted out in endgame.

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Upon review (literally just this post) I'm swinging the pendulum back. Annika wolf. I don't know what bees taste like, but it's on the menu.

okay the first half of this post was written like 3 hours ago or some shit, then i went to go play video games with my fwend, then i came back and started making a post then i went and combined them into one big post so gl reading it