Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[Lissa]

well just like



if the last game you randed town in was pokemash then that means you didn't rand town in this game

seems like clearly an implied before this one

[waza]

Ladd also top town

Not as confident on it as Annika but feel good

These probs seem like fake reads or meme reads but they’re legit I assure yall

[ladd]

Ladd also top town

Not as confident on it as Annika but feel good

These probs seem like fake reads or meme reads but they’re legit I assure yall

I knew you d villaread those posts

[waza]

I knew you d villaread those posts

Yeah u probs did

But I don’t think w!you would bother to tank your own cred just to play specifically around me this game when im playing in a manner that will likely get me misvoted or at the very least have little thread pull this game

[annika]

i'd hold off on the Waza one personally because I think "give read -> immediately flip read as a second thought" is smack dab in his wolf range. By that I mean I view it as something more likely to be done to be viewed as villagery than a thought process about stett. Not lock or anything just initial feels but I squinted at it

oh noted
okay

seems like clearly an implied before this one

ya I think that's what she was implying if she's town, you're right
the wording spooked me a bit but it's probably nothing

[Lissa]

oh noted
okay



ya I think that's what she was implying if she's town, you're right
the wording spooked me a bit but it's probably nothing

slips aren't real etc

probably like a very very mildly villagery line of thought though

[nebjiamn]

I thought the fact that he townread Stett and immediately rescinded it was kinda townie lol

tbh I don't know why he TRs me but he's right that it seems like TMI on first impression so it might be something he avoids as a wolf

i don't particularly like this line in retrospect. to steal a line waza used about me and stett: i understand she and waza have a dynamic, but the latter part of this second sentence seems too uncritical to me? perhaps this is nitpicky but if annika is aware of this dynamic they have (which she obviously is) why isn't she a bit more suspicious that he would emulate it as a wolf to gain favor? its almost like the read waza made and how annika responds to it here is more about how annika is perceived as a result of it, moreso how she perceives waza for making it? shrugze

i kind of want to say waza is v already for getting the ball rolling

i also thought this was kinda weak and part of why i prodded her but i don't think its terrible by itself i forget why i multiquotd this

doesn't this imply you didn't rand v this game XD

well just like



if the last game you randed town in was pokemash then that means you didn't rand town in this game

i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.

atm I'm comfortable townleaning Waza/Ben/Lissa/Sunbae

I can't really articulate why for Ben, I guess I just like how he's playing so far xD maybe that's silly but it's fine for rn

there's something to this reads list and her later reads list where i'm removed from the core in place of visor. that's fine--i don't need to be on the top town list for someone i was actively sussing at the time. very reasonable to move me down, but i also kinda wonder if it was strategically done (future reads list lost in the multiquote)

i'd hold off on the Waza one personally because I think "give read -> immediately flip read as a second thought" is smack dab in his wolf range. By that I mean I view it as something more likely to be done to be viewed as villagery than a thought process about stett. Not lock or anything just initial feels but I squinted at it

annika's response to this post in particular felt super rough. basically a 'oh, noted' type thing (multiquote lost again) and given her awareness of waza's game that just doesn't ring as a real response to someone telling her to beware of waza's range.

i also sorta dislike her later townread on stett even if i think the tr on stett is right a decent chunk of the time

wow i dislike annika a lot

[ladd]

i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.

you dont need to answer to this post but i dont think that was me who said that fwiw (think it was visor). I agree with you that their posts to manti arent good but u said it first in 1 of your early posts and i didnt wanna repeat stuff



as a side note i do think stett should be a villager now

[ladd]

ladd
benneh
pzelda
lissa
stett
waza
ender
sunbae
visor
_________________________________

maple
rask
dya
annika
taffy
arctic



no particular order, this is how i'd yolo divide the playerlist. some thin villa reads in the top tier and some people are null in the second tier


also not sure what annika odds are of being a wolf if waza is a villager cause he seemed very sure of his read there. prolly pretty low eheh



i'll be back after work. adieu

[Lissa]

opining philosophical for a bit, but i realized recently that i am someone who struggles immensely when there are unknowns on the table (e.g. 0 posters or near it). this has never really mattered much when I mashed because that's very much a pick and choose type thing, but i really have a tough time parsing turbos for example when there are 0 posters, to the point that i kind of feel like how i'm sort of feeling now (but on a longform scale).

so part of it is just time and seeing everyone join in. when we have all 15 or 17 or whatever people in thread and posting content i'll feel a bit better. part of my annoyance has been alleviated just by some people posting more content since i've complained (or me catching up on content i skipped over while at work). ideally I could withhold a good chunk of my content until everyone has checked in at some level, because one of my humongous pet peeves is creating thread narratives before everyone has a chance to give input on what they want thread narrative to be, but also have an annoyingly unwitting desire to just spam and blurt shit out so sucks to be me

yeah i get it, kind of an incomplete picture that's impossible to complete i suppose

it is definitely a bit awkward this game because i think a LOT of people are villagery so like whether dya and rask each come in and post really villagery or not is something i'd really like to like. know, because it will really impact my view of the game atp i think

[didistetter]

Lissa dropping in, posting a couple times, and then three hours later hitting us with the "wow im glad i randed villa" opener is the weirdest post in the thread

I found Sunbae's post about Lissa a bit weird tbh

bc I read that Lissa post and my very first thought was "oh a game just ended" bc that kind of posts is pretty common?
the "wow I'm so relieved that game is over so now I can finally say X" type of post

and Sunbae is a lot more experienced that I am so I am a bit boggled that he wouldn't recognise it
so if anything it looked a bit performative to me

The same way someone suggested that Happy might have immediately reversed his read on Stett just because it looks like a towny thought process, that's what Sunbae's remark looked like to me.

Taffy (6)

i've been rereading d1, and idt waza/maple/ben are like ever with lissa

fo fuckit maybe it just is lissa/taffy

i probs sohuld have holstered my jk claim until after taffy talked about douses bleh

feel like i gave her free space to claim a faildouse

[waza]

i've been rereading d1, and idt waza/maple/ben are like ever with lissa

fo fuckit maybe it just is lissa/taffy

i probs sohuld have holstered my jk claim until after taffy talked about douses bleh

feel like i gave her free space to claim a faildouse

Can you go over those unpairings pls n thx

[didistetter]

as a side note i do think stett should be a villager now

@ladd what was your process here

or was it just giving into thread consensus

[didistetter]

Vote: Annika

i still think taffy's posts are fine, and i don't particular follow the line of thought from ladd/visor than benneh gelled with. If its "meta read w!taffy likes to push top town" then i'll take it with a grain of salt and look into that in the morning.

i wouldn't be giga suprised if the AFKs have a wolf just off thread vibes, but voting there gives us nothing and is useless so hopefully they show up and show out tomorrow or d1.

The timing of kinda insta pivoting off me is noted. A leeeeeeeetle weird but dunno. Realistically i thought the worst read on my slot was ladd's but both lissa, arctic, and ben liked his points so i'm probs self biased.

Mostly mentally chewing on the ladd/waza dynamic rn. Some stuff isn't landing right for me at all, but everyone else seems to be reading them both town, so i need to unpack that a bit mentally.

I'm still not vibing with ender's reads, but it feels like both he and taffy are in a flux state of needing to sink their teeth in a bit, so i'm willing to be patient. His general tone and demeanor feels kinda townily lighthearted but that's weak. Ender's one "arctic's read on me was premature and NAGL" struck me as slightly towny lol even tho i think archie is town.


NGL ladd i'm p sure i omgus more as town than wolf lol. the only like... omgus worthy push on me is visor tho and idt he feels particularly wolf or agendad so that'd be a waste of posts

[ladd]

i still think taffy's posts are fine, and i don't particular follow the line of thought from ladd/visor than benneh gelled with. If its "meta read w!taffy likes to push top town" then i'll take it with a grain of salt and look into that in the morning.

nah it's more - I ask myself "Would a villager genuinely find these benneh posts wolfy for those reasons?" and i land more in the "no"


(there is also a bit of meta involved in that i feel the toan and sorta aggressive start lines up more with taffy wolf meta than village in my limited experience)

[didistetter]

@annika i'd appreciate it a lot if you could try to vocalize your reads on some of your higher town. Don't need walls but the more explanation the better. I need to see your processing more visibly to be able to find you here i think

[annika]

@annika i'd appreciate it a lot if you could try to vocalize your reads on some of your higher town. Don't need walls but the more explanation the better. I need to see your processing more visibly to be able to find you here i think

um… what reads cutie? @didistetter I’m pretty sure I have explained all of my townreads already

[Lissa]

iyam stuff like "x would be more aggressive/agendaed" as a wolf doesnt really work in org games (not sure how much they work in general tbh) as it would stick out as a sore thumb, esp d1


just a random thought



@Sunbae i am curious about your artic/visor reads if u have time to explain them

to me artic most notable post was this:



but cant really say it made me lean 1 way or the other, just found it interesting

yeah I'm not really talking aggressive re: arctic just like confident but it's possibly still a situational thing regardless

nvm i figured it out

yall ever type out a sentence and you read it back and strictly speaking all of it is grammatically correct but is so structurally deranged that it really ought not to? because that's me reading back too many of my posts in quotes here tbh

oh abso freakin lutely lol

(I feel like I should be a lissa reading specalist atp tho lol)

i also feel the same in reverse and yet

i don't particularly like this line in retrospect. to steal a line waza used about me and stett: i understand she and waza have a dynamic, but the latter part of this second sentence seems too uncritical to me? perhaps this is nitpicky but if annika is aware of this dynamic they have (which she obviously is) why isn't she a bit more suspicious that he would emulate it as a wolf to gain favor? its almost like the read waza made and how annika responds to it here is more about how annika is perceived as a result of it, moreso how she perceives waza for making it? shrugze



i also thought this was kinda weak and part of why i prodded her but i don't think its terrible by itself i forget why i multiquotd this





i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.



there's something to this reads list and her later reads list where i'm removed from the core in place of visor. that's fine--i don't need to be on the top town list for someone i was actively sussing at the time. very reasonable to move me down, but i also kinda wonder if it was strategically done (future reads list lost in the multiquote)



annika's response to this post in particular felt super rough. basically a 'oh, noted' type thing (multiquote lost again) and given her awareness of waza's game that just doesn't ring as a real response to someone telling her to beware of waza's range.

i also sorta dislike her later townread on stett even if i think the tr on stett is right a decent chunk of the time

wow i dislike annika a lot

it is possibly ~tmi about them being v/v who will both become obvious in time tbh

it would explain why she handled them in the way she did as a wolf, you're kinda right that it is weirdly uncritical

reading those posts over again i like them significantly less

the "last game i randed v" thing re maple was definitely like

idk, did she REALLY think that? like it's pretty standard stuff/language/wording for what maple was saying, i was confused at her reaction

[Maple]

yeah I'm not really talking aggressive re: arctic just like confident but it's possibly still a situational thing regardless



oh abso freakin lutely lol



i also feel the same in reverse and yet



it is possibly ~tmi about them being v/v who will both become obvious in time tbh

it would explain why she handled them in the way she did as a wolf, you're kinda right that it is weirdly uncritical

reading those posts over again i like them significantly less

the "last game i randed v" thing re maple was definitely like

idk, did she REALLY think that? like it's pretty standard stuff/language/wording for what maple was saying, i was confused at her reaction

turning it around, if I worded it "last time i randed wolf before this game" or something to that effect, I think it'd be seen as like *overly conscious* of having not randed village in *this* game. Anyway, that's the pedant in me talking. I don't particularly feel like it's worth the effort to drink the wine over what may or may not be someone's stream of consciousness, but rather that there was a followup reiterating or elaborating at all.

[Maple]

anyway

it warms my heart that zelda remembers my wolf play as being hotdog posting, that's the sort of legacy i wanna leave

[Lissa]

anyway

it warms my heart that zelda remembers my wolf play as being hotdog posting, that's the sort of legacy i wanna leave

that was one of the posts of all time for sure

[annika]

i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.

this entire post is way more nitpicky than anything I've posted today. your read on my comment on Maple is completely overblown considering it was one offhanded comment that I never even pursued

saying that's nitpicky is completely making mountains out of molehills

same thing for asking Ladd why he thought you'd be N1'd—like what is your problem with that exactly? how is that wolfie at all? it feels youre seeing me towntell and blanket calling it a wolf thing, it's so strange

there's something to this reads list and her later reads list where i'm removed from the core in place of visor. that's fine--i don't need to be on the top town list for someone i was actively sussing at the time. very reasonable to move me down, but i also kinda wonder if it was strategically done (future reads list lost in the multiquote)

it's the same for this; I'm confused why you find this wolfie? like what does strategically even mean in this post aha
(and ftr yeah I'm moving you down now)

[nebjiamn]

this entire post is way more nitpicky than anything I've posted today. your read on my comment on Maple is completely overblown considering it was one offhanded comment that I never even pursued

saying that's nitpicky is completely making mountains out of molehills

for the record, i don't think me calling out your post on manti as nitpicky is making mountains out of molehills. that post is demonstrably and objectively nitpicky. you were overly critical of a grammatical error that was relatively easily explained if you put a second of thought to it.

if you want to say that the basis for my wolfread is what 'making mountains out of molehills' is that might be that could be more fair fypov, but those posts are just how i was trying to express why i found you wolfy, but its not all encompassing.

same thing for asking Ladd why he thought you'd be N1'd—like what is your problem with that exactly? how is that wolfie at all? it feels youre seeing me towntell and blanket calling it a wolf thing, it's so strange

i don't find that to be a townie question borne out of curiosity, and i'm really confused with this second sentence because i quite literally haven't seen you towntell? that's why I wrote the post in question--i had to illicit my read on you into some form of digestible content for others because if the posts I quoted weren't snadwiched between a bunch of things i town tell, i probably wouldn't be picking nits, but as it was like, most of your content up to that point i felt it was worth putting on paper.

it's the same for this; I'm confused why you find this wolfie? like what does strategically even mean in this post aha
(and ftr yeah I'm moving you down now)

tbf this is a gamestate read highly likely to be confbiased, but the placement and timing just feels sus to me

(and fair enough)

[didistetter]

seems like clearly an implied before this one

guh

i don't like the lissa posting in response to annika's sus of manti

but like

joat + disloyal inventor + bomb diffuser?????

really???

but also why the sweet fuck give out a jk before a cop grrrrr

idk im confused again

[didistetter]

vote: maple

i just realized i have absolutely 0 idea wtf my post count is and probs needs to leash thoughts together v sorry

also pzelda is still obvitown, and he's giga unpaired from lissa and was like the only person besides sunbae pushing her much d1

so far through d1:
1. sunbae GOAT
2. lissa has a lot of weird shade towards waza, he's probably just town (also 132)
nothing unpairing for visor, ben, taffy, maple

i think lissa has really improved her d1 play, especially recently. she hasnt been accused of lacking the last couple games even! we've talked about her meta a decent bit in both dvcs and wcs and i think the idea of 'she gets wolfread early because she is very commonly out of phase' makes a lot of sense to me. i think it is therefore very reasonable for like zelda and *whoever the other person was* to w read her opening, but honestly i dont think she's done anything particularly ai so far. feel free to yolo a v on her for the whole "i beleive you that you havent randed wolf again" tho, i dont believe that you beleive that but that's okay ?

leaving this as placeholder, i gotta go grocery shopping

[pzelda]

I read some more and I gotta admit there are quite a few benneh/lissa interactions. Nothing to unpair them so far. I'm heading to bed now but I think that the poe is always taffy/maple/benneh.

Now, Taffy isn't the towniest player around. I don't think they are trying to solve the game. They pretty much stopped trying after the full claim. They are not asking for suggestions on how to use their power. Their dousing claims are questionable. They probably aren't a wolf. They might be a 3p. The question is if it's important for town to kill a potential 3p.

Maple is town in my humble opinion. I'm slightly surprised manti didn't find lissa earlier, but I also think it's quite possible lissa focused at pocketing them after wolfing together. Or that she changed her style just enough to not fit the same meta. Also, let's admit it, there are some really good posts from lissa. She was poking other players and evaluating them, esp. Stett on d1.

That leaves me with Benneh as the most likely regular wolf. If I very briefly review his activity, he was super active on d1 but starting with d2 he focused on mechanics a lot and his activity fell off. Also, he reminded us few times that ladd had him as town. So, I want to read more, but Benneh might fit the bill after all. I think he would at least try to save lissa on d4, so I should read more of that day too in order to find out if there were any attempts at driving our votes away (maybe there were? I recall visor asking him for his opinion later in the day. He reassured him that he finds lissa to be a likely wolf at 85% certainty, but I think there was a reason for Visor to ask that question).