Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[Maple]

ladd town

im calling annika and maple a diff check

???oh nyo not again???

i was incredibly unhappy with how that last game went

i was working very long hours at the time and i realised after d1 that i just can't play werewolf if i am working those hours because its not fair to anyone to have someone who can only play like i was there

so i haven't played until my hours settled down

i don't think i would be fired up, especially in a 50 post game, but i would be determined to put in a good showing if i randed wolf for sure

i was pretty excited to get to wolf together but that game ended up being a bit of a clusterfuck lol

is what it is tho, if ur too busy to play nothing much you can do about it

writing little poems dunking on the wagons was pretty funny tho!

hoping to have a nice, clean normal game here. last couple org games have been CRAZY for me, but the pl seems chill and i htink 50 posts is small enough that i'll be able to vibe for hte most post

Btw is Manti? That would explain their style. Also, I kind of wish not knowing. It might be cool to work without that meta. Maybe it's because Maple started that conversation and Lissa reacted to it without trying to do anything else. All of that might be just two old friends having a good time or Lissa having a lighthearted conversation with her wolfbuddy. Because it's easier to interact like this without the interaction feeling forced. It's a good way to establish interaction w/w. Also you can use it to townlean each other later for a good chat later on.
And Lissa being more wolfy is because of her previous entrance, which on its own is nai, but my take here is that after returning to the thread and finding some actual content, she would be more likely to interact with reads in a meaningful way. Instead she decided to fluff with Maple.

hiiiiii sorry im really bad with names, how do we know each other? Im guessing via MU, do you have a dif name there? fwiw im VERY different now, if youre someone from the 2017-2019 range! i only got back into playing again just last year, was on a v long break prior to that.

why would they even fake those reads for "content"
*snip*

ye was skimming this morning and i suppose what had stood out to me the most is that stett didnt wait for us to get online and at laset react to the string before retracting it

she KNOWS i hate the word "difference check" so youd think she'd keep it up long enough for me to come dunk on the fake read to merhaps get a look into my alignment first

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im not much of an annika reader. The two experiences w/ her that stand out the most were teh FTR game where she got MLd by the evil and menacing katz and the HSR game. In the ftr game i think she was MEGA pure before her death, but atp it was sort of inevitible. In the hsr game she was like... strictly speaking sorta wolfy but not in a wolf way. She got cleared by basically everyone despite some wolfsiding and stuff just off of raw socials.

all's that to say i dont really have a strong feeling on her atm. is her questions of my posts weird? maybe, i dont know. im more or less just hopiing that future me can find her when it matters, cause i have been able to the last couple times.

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i think lissa has really improved her d1 play, especially recently. she hasnt been accused of lacking the last couple games even! we've talked about her meta a decent bit in both dvcs and wcs and i think the idea of 'she gets wolfread early because she is very commonly out of phase' makes a lot of sense to me. i think it is therefore very reasonable for like zelda and *whoever the other person was* to w read her opening, but honestly i dont think she's done anything particularly ai so far. feel free to yolo a v on her for the whole "i beleive you that you havent randed wolf again" tho, i dont believe that you beleive that but that's okay ?

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waza is a PR and we WILL be roleswapping on d4. this will cause us to lose the game.

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mmm dont really have thoughts on taffy, visor seems fine esp w/ the "too many Os post", ladd seems fine, benneh could go either way, zelda is generically villagery in the sense that they're going to flip a strong village PR at eod1, ender has posts, sunbae has posts

and stett REALLY doesn't want to die d1

is that everyone who's posted sofar?

[Maple]

bruh emoji wre showing up in the preview but they got wiped away




and there was a blush emoji somewhere in there

[Maple]

wait am i allowed to sewar

[ladd]

wait am i allowed to sewar

Gh will ban you

Also zelda is capage fyi

[Visor]

wait am i allowed to sewar

yes

pzelda is capage

got any thoughts on stett outside of difference check stuff?

[Maple]

looked up games i had in common with capage (i remember the name ye)

wtf was stormtossed? lmao i barely remember that game

anyway

i think my good friend and pal Didi S. Tutter doesnt wanna die today and projected an air of usefulness to avoid such a fate. havent interacted with her yet, so dont really have a good grasp of some of the micro level stuff that i'd previously noted from other games (wrt the way it seems she bites into thigns as w vs v (tho i think our only longform v/w so far were Bean and hsr so i dont actually know if i got that good of a grasp on it))

so tldr

eh idk she was obv very bothered the way the last 2 games have gone and doesnt want a repeat but i dont think that that is ai for her here. doubt i get a great read tehre until she gets serious about a read; the lissa read just isnt enough.,

[Maple]

wtf was stormtossed? lmao i barely remember that game

oh this was during my "honorary australian" era

good times, 2021 me was funny

[pzelda]

benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically

waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game

lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager





why do u villa read ender @waza?

Why is lissa threadspewed?

[Maple]

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

[pzelda]

We played quite a few games together, Manti, but I never was a proper household name on MU. I think I started playing there during the fourth season of the champs. Dunno how long ago that was.

Good comments btw. There's not to add. I guess Ladd v, because of the drive. It's towny and people calling ladd town before that either wanted to have a good read because of the meta or they were wolves afraid of scumreading someone who can be obvious as town. At least that's my feeling rn and I'm writing this mostly for myself as a note to hunt down these early ladd v reads later.
And I should explain why I think ladd is town now. I like them calling multiple players villagers in #207. I like what he's doing with the Benneh read. I like the push on Stett too.

If Maple is town, his style is different. I only recall several walls from wolf Manti, but they were quite easy to dismantle as a bunch of nonsence put together for posterity. This wall on the first look made a good impression. On the second look it's more filled meta and little memories than with actual solving. I think the only read I can get from him is not w/w with Stett based on the waz Maple interacted with Ladd in #216.

[pzelda]

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

You shoul ask the pizza guy, if he's still around.

[waza]

benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically

waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game

lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager





why do u villa read ender @waza?

I asked his some questions and his answers were pretty bad lol

(That’s the serious but oversimplified version with a bit of meta as well)

[waza]

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

Errr it seems like you already know what you’re missing, believe it or not the confidence thing is something I can relate with. But for me it’s for dif reasons why I’m less confident now than I used to. Idk the way to work around it, I suppose just tell yourself it’s okay to be wrong and in the long run it doesn’t matter as long as ur not being an ass with the way you go about it.

[waza]

why would they even fake those reads for "content"




like wat.gif

that whole page of posting from stett is just super weird as benneh pointed out




i find bolded not very believable but ymmv



this post just seems wolfy, esp last line. kinda dismissal

With the first one I’ll wait and let her explain

Yeah in hindsight “faking” her reads probs gives wolf!her and excuse to back out of townreading me early and pivot into pushing me, she probs thought I was towny cos tmi but then saw others pushing me realised she could get away with it, that’s the wolf reason, I’m not sure why town!her would do it, again I’ll leave that for her to explain

The third part- lol the bolded was the part of that post that being me the most too. ESP because it’s another example of her kinda just not paying attention to detail. First time was when she claimed I changed my read on her because of what Ben said but Ben didn’t post at all during the time in which I changed my read. The second was when she clearly called u town but then claimed she never trd you when I asked why she doesn’t listen to ur read on me. Third time is claiming I hedged on Annika when I have called her an inno child all game and there is no instance of me hedging


The fourth part — lol the last line is actually one of the towniest things she’s said to me, she defs has used that line as a villa before so it’s not wolfy for her, if she’s a wolf she’s mimicking her town play with that last line

[annika]

Annika is my only stronger town for now and I probably won't flip on them. Hell, I might even ride or die with that read.

nice to meet you! I think your depth of thought is pretty villagery (specifically your read on Lissa—this level of worldbuilding feels like a villagery flow of thoughts)

Lissa - I don't know about the townreads. They were just chilling in the thread talking about poof. The way lissa is getting townread almos feels like a wolf townread by town and other wolves jumping on the wave to me.

and I like the way you hark back to it by prodding Ladd on his read in 207.

Why is lissa threadspewed?

makes me feel like your reads dont just Exist for the sake of being villagery and that you have actual interest in them

...speaking of 207... @ladd I'm curious if there's anything specific that makes you think Ben is going to be the N1?

benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

his worldview is a bit different from yours atm, most notably the Stett read, so I'm wondering if this comment was prompted by anything or if it was just bc he's a generally good player. (no shade intended ftr because that's not an inherently contradictory thought, but it's still something that interests me)

[annika]

i also dislike her towning haru here in her core and replacing me (im mad cause bad (but sincerely, that reads strange to me)) out of it.

I didn't mean that as a scumlean on you or anything eheh. I do think you're townie tbh
but also, what do you dislike about me towning Sunbae specifically?

This is going to be one of those things where I don't know whats happening and get cleared for it but why does it never happen when I rand wolf

idk I know she's an elite wolf and all but cmon xD this is so pure

[annika]

im not much of an annika reader. The two experiences w/ her that stand out the most were teh FTR game where she got MLd by the evil and menacing katz and the HSR game. In the ftr game i think she was MEGA pure before her death, but atp it was sort of inevitible. In the hsr game she was like... strictly speaking sorta wolfy but not in a wolf way. She got cleared by basically everyone despite some wolfsiding and stuff just off of raw socials.

tf do you mean wolfside... i literally only voted wolves after D1.....

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

also @Maple what do you need help with in terms of your town game, besides confidence? what's your benchmark?

[Arctic]

hai

[Arctic]

LMAO oh my god i changed the wrong avatar

there was this other setting to let you add a picture only visible on your profile but i think i changed the main one

[Maple]

We played quite a few games together, Manti, but I never was a proper household name on MU. I think I started playing there during the fourth season of the champs. Dunno how long ago that was.

Good comments btw. There's not to add. I guess Ladd v, because of the drive. It's towny and people calling ladd town before that either wanted to have a good read because of the meta or they were wolves afraid of scumreading someone who can be obvious as town. At least that's my feeling rn and I'm writing this mostly for myself as a note to hunt down these early ladd v reads later.
And I should explain why I think ladd is town now. I like them calling multiple players villagers in #207. I like what he's doing with the Benneh read. I like the push on Stett too.

If Maple is town, his style is different. I only recall several walls from wolf Manti, but they were quite easy to dismantle as a bunch of nonsence put together for posterity. This wall on the first look made a good impression. On the second look it's more filled meta and little memories than with actual solving. I think the only read I can get from him is not w/w with Stett based on the waz Maple interacted with Ladd in #216.

My style is VERY different! I wear a lot of plaid now :3

I def member you yeah, tho that was foreeeever ago. Your reads itg seem straight forward enough for me in a way taht I like this early.

Errr it seems like you already know what you’re missing, believe it or not the confidence thing is something I can relate with. But for me it’s for dif reasons why I’m less confident now than I used to. Idk the way to work around it, I suppose just tell yourself it’s okay to be wrong and in the long run it doesn’t matter as long as ur not being an ass with the way you go about it.

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like it might really just all come down to that. i feel like i could write 5 guides on how to village proficiently, so obviously my fundamentals and general process must be at least *fine*. And when I play with hydras/on teams things generally go fairly well! Which is probably ya know putting two minds together, and having someone to confbias your good reads and sanity check you on stuff.

like in indie mash i think me believing you were the lw and that you were never, ever gonna actually try to kill me let me post at you in a way that won you over, and if you think about it that's sort of it's own form of confidence.

You shoul ask the pizza guy, if he's still around.

lol he is but we are pretty incompatible as far as ww is concerned

tf do you mean wolfside... i literally only voted wolves after D1.....



also @Maple what do you need help with in terms of your town game, besides confidence? what's your benchmark?

grrr you didnt cfd the meowted wolf with me lissa and juls

and you were WRONG on MECH (wolf siding is probably putting it too strongly, but you were counter to a lot of the worldbuilding i was doing + your handling of the claims + adven d2 made it hard to v read you, except for the fact that you were just so insanely pure socially)

And ye that's the question I suppose. I think it might have to do with putting it all together. I like my socials. I don't play to get v read, really, and I think that's okay because people usually come around on me when I need to clutch up. When the mid-late game hits, I'm quite good at worldbuilding and I can generally divine what wolfchat is thinking better than most players. Plus, I'm one of the few people who actually have >rand thoughts looking at vote counts.

I think a major issue for me is getting into things in the early game. I like having a LOT of information to work with, and I like having had realtime with people to sort things out. Ya know, send someone a paragraph, see how they respond, continue the convo, etc. I think something like "be more like newcomb" is an overly lofty goal, generally speaking, but he has a way with things, of drawing connections between things and really getting a good look at what people are thinking or what their motivations might be, and he does it quickly. I feel like that's a big part of why he does so well on D1s. It's not really emulateble.

It's funny, I had a convo w/ tess about like... ways to force people to give better more logical reads? Like, if someone says a statement confidently, you need to figure out why, and see if they can refute counterarguments or if they're just contradicting you or counterarguging you on a basic, non-logical level. I've been able to integrate that into my wolf play, but im not 100p sure how to intigrate it with my other social tools as v. But I think that that'd be a big starting point.

...speaking of 207... @ladd I'm curious if there's anything specific that makes you think Ben is going to be the N1?

ANYWAY all that aside, back to the game. This seems like an odd question to me. I'm weighing if it's an artifact of your *relative* newness or what. But I'll just see what ladd things about it for now

hai

oh hi didnt know you were here hiiiiii

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wazaaaaa what useless fluff task do you think i should do? point me at a player and i'll hound em

[nebjiamn]

I didn't mean that as a scumlean on you or anything eheh. I do think you're townie tbh
but also, what do you dislike about me towning Sunbae specifically?



idk I know she's an elite wolf and all but cmon xD this is so pure

that’s his wolfiest post!!!!

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 231

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	EnderWiggin	nebjiamn (34)
1	waza	didistetter (17)
1	Raskolnikov	waza (43)
1	Totally not Taffy	pzelda (11)
1	nebjiamn	Totally not Taffy (10)
10	Not Voting	Arctic (2), EnderWiggin (12), Lissa (14), Maple (16), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), Totally not Taffy (10), annika (19), dyachei (0), ladd (12)

[Visor]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 231

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	EnderWiggin	nebjiamn (34)
1	waza	didistetter (17)
1	Raskolnikov	waza (43)
1	Totally not Taffy	pzelda (11)
1	nebjiamn	Totally not Taffy (10)
10	Not Voting	Arctic (2), EnderWiggin (12), Lissa (14), Maple (16), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), Totally not Taffy (10), annika (19), dyachei (0), ladd (12)

There are two taffies and no me lol

[nebjiamn]

There are two taffies and no me lol

You’ve been replaced, you are now a taffling

[Arctic]

meow sorry i feel really lazy and useless today

i need a second wind but it's actually a first wind

i had no wind

[Arctic]

i think annika townread waza for the correct reason on page 1

i think he made too many reads too early for not great reasons in a way that wolf him would generally avoid

i'm townreading them both for this but mainly waza

i like ben's energy too but this prob isn't super indicative - also are you really gonna play champs next year? that's kinda hype if you're fr

[Arctic]

How many in rask ladd taffy dya?

Hopefully not more than 1 because these are some of my fav people to be town with but I’m getting an inkling it’s maybe 2 just by rng and stuff

wow you listed all the people 0 posting except me i'm actually crying rn

[Arctic]

i believe the lissa relief vibes and entry more than the mantis

Moderately reluctant tr for lissa there

honestly i think they are both townie

everyone is kinda townie except 1 guy... imo...

[Gemma]

There are two taffies and no me lol

listen i don't make the rules

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 237

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	EnderWiggin	nebjiamn (35)
1	didistetter	Visor (24)
1	waza	didistetter (17)
1	Raskolnikov	waza (43)
1	Totally not Taffy	pzelda (11)
1	nebjiamn	Totally not Taffy (10)
10	Not Voting	Arctic (5), EnderWiggin (12), Lissa (14), Maple (16), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), annika (19), dyachei (0), ladd (12)

[Arctic]

well just like



if the last game you randed town in was pokemash then that means you didn't rand town in this game

oknvm you are wolf BYE