Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[Maple]

We played quite a few games together, Manti, but I never was a proper household name on MU. I think I started playing there during the fourth season of the champs. Dunno how long ago that was.

Good comments btw. There's not to add. I guess Ladd v, because of the drive. It's towny and people calling ladd town before that either wanted to have a good read because of the meta or they were wolves afraid of scumreading someone who can be obvious as town. At least that's my feeling rn and I'm writing this mostly for myself as a note to hunt down these early ladd v reads later.
And I should explain why I think ladd is town now. I like them calling multiple players villagers in #207. I like what he's doing with the Benneh read. I like the push on Stett too.

If Maple is town, his style is different. I only recall several walls from wolf Manti, but they were quite easy to dismantle as a bunch of nonsence put together for posterity. This wall on the first look made a good impression. On the second look it's more filled meta and little memories than with actual solving. I think the only read I can get from him is not w/w with Stett based on the waz Maple interacted with Ladd in #216.

My style is VERY different! I wear a lot of plaid now :3

I def member you yeah, tho that was foreeeever ago. Your reads itg seem straight forward enough for me in a way taht I like this early.

Errr it seems like you already know what you’re missing, believe it or not the confidence thing is something I can relate with. But for me it’s for dif reasons why I’m less confident now than I used to. Idk the way to work around it, I suppose just tell yourself it’s okay to be wrong and in the long run it doesn’t matter as long as ur not being an ass with the way you go about it.

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like it might really just all come down to that. i feel like i could write 5 guides on how to village proficiently, so obviously my fundamentals and general process must be at least *fine*. And when I play with hydras/on teams things generally go fairly well! Which is probably ya know putting two minds together, and having someone to confbias your good reads and sanity check you on stuff.

like in indie mash i think me believing you were the lw and that you were never, ever gonna actually try to kill me let me post at you in a way that won you over, and if you think about it that's sort of it's own form of confidence.

You shoul ask the pizza guy, if he's still around.

lol he is but we are pretty incompatible as far as ww is concerned

tf do you mean wolfside... i literally only voted wolves after D1.....



also @Maple what do you need help with in terms of your town game, besides confidence? what's your benchmark?

grrr you didnt cfd the meowted wolf with me lissa and juls

and you were WRONG on MECH (wolf siding is probably putting it too strongly, but you were counter to a lot of the worldbuilding i was doing + your handling of the claims + adven d2 made it hard to v read you, except for the fact that you were just so insanely pure socially)

And ye that's the question I suppose. I think it might have to do with putting it all together. I like my socials. I don't play to get v read, really, and I think that's okay because people usually come around on me when I need to clutch up. When the mid-late game hits, I'm quite good at worldbuilding and I can generally divine what wolfchat is thinking better than most players. Plus, I'm one of the few people who actually have >rand thoughts looking at vote counts.

I think a major issue for me is getting into things in the early game. I like having a LOT of information to work with, and I like having had realtime with people to sort things out. Ya know, send someone a paragraph, see how they respond, continue the convo, etc. I think something like "be more like newcomb" is an overly lofty goal, generally speaking, but he has a way with things, of drawing connections between things and really getting a good look at what people are thinking or what their motivations might be, and he does it quickly. I feel like that's a big part of why he does so well on D1s. It's not really emulateble.

It's funny, I had a convo w/ tess about like... ways to force people to give better more logical reads? Like, if someone says a statement confidently, you need to figure out why, and see if they can refute counterarguments or if they're just contradicting you or counterarguging you on a basic, non-logical level. I've been able to integrate that into my wolf play, but im not 100p sure how to intigrate it with my other social tools as v. But I think that that'd be a big starting point.

...speaking of 207... @ladd I'm curious if there's anything specific that makes you think Ben is going to be the N1?

ANYWAY all that aside, back to the game. This seems like an odd question to me. I'm weighing if it's an artifact of your *relative* newness or what. But I'll just see what ladd things about it for now

hai

oh hi didnt know you were here hiiiiii

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wazaaaaa what useless fluff task do you think i should do? point me at a player and i'll hound em